Stutters with New GPU

[AboutToGoPostal]

Long story short: for whatever many years, I've been a RTX 2060 user. Recently, the stars aligned for me to get an upgrade and I got myself a brand new RTX 4070 from GALAX to boost my system. That said, I wasn't prepared for the absolute headache it'd give me (and it's still giving, thus why I'm posting this). It arrived with a bonus: STUTTERS.

No matter the game I play, the graphic settings, resolution, monitor Hz and of course FPS. It's that powerful.

So, what have I already done? I've:

Used DDU for drivers; as in every possible driver under the sun.

Updated my BIOS.

Upgraded my CPU.

Updated my MOBO Chipset.

Disabled XMP.

Disabled GAMEBARS.

Disabled/enabled REBAR.

Disabled/enabled fTPM.

Disabled GAME MODE.

Disabled NVIDIA High Definition Audio.

Messed with all Syncs (G-Sync included) and Low Latency Modes.

Reinstalled Windows 10 two (2) times.

Uninstalled MSI AFTERBURNER.

Checked my temps.

And a whole lot of other things I might mention if someone asks.

But the plot thickens.

One day I plugged my old 2060 in and... No stutters. Everything working as intended, just like always. Great. Problem solved. I sent it back to GALAX, they told me my GPU "wasn't working properly" and they would sent me a new one. It arrived, I plugged it in... Stutters. How cool is that?

Does any soul reading this has any idea of what's happening? Is it possible that some other part of my PC's causing some compatibility issue with the RTX 40 series? Or am I simply lucky enough to get two bad cards in a roll?

Any help's appreciated.

***

Also, my PSU is an MSI MAG 650W

RYZEN 7 5700X3D (formerly used a RYZEN 5 5600, same stutters)

B450m Pro S

WINDOWS 10 PRO

1 HDD 1TB

1 SSD 1TB

32 GB RAM 3200MHz

 

[qxp]

From the system point of view the big difference between the two cards is the PCI Express version. If something goes wrong with the bus and it gets reset this can manifest as delay or stutter. Is there an option to force it to PCI Express 3.0?
Also try ubuntu from a USB stick - the logs might provide more information.

 

[AboutToGoPostal]

From the system point of view the big difference between the two cards is the PCI Express version. If something goes wrong with the bus and it gets reset this can manifest as delay or stutter. Is there an option to force it to PCI Express 3.0?
Also try ubuntu from a USB stick - the logs might provide more information.

Afraid it's always on. The B450m Pro S only goes to 3.0.

About the Ubuntu... Well, I'm not that savvy about operation systems.

 

[Princess Garnet]

Two things would come to mind, but you sort of reduced the likely hood of one of them.

The first is that with a faster GPU, the average performance went up. Low overall frame rates are often a lack of GPU performance but stutters are usually a CPU/platform side limitation. With a 5700X3D though, you shouldn't be seeing that outside of very CPU reliant games.

The other is that when you change the graphics cards/drivers, games which use compiled shaders may need them recompiled, so you may be observing that for a while.

Beyond that, no idea.

 

[AboutToGoPostal]

Two things would come to mind, but you sort of reduced the likely hood of one of them.

The first is that with a faster GPU, the average performance went up. Low overall frame rates are often a lack of GPU performance but stutters are usually a CPU/platform side limitation. With a 5700X3D though, you shouldn't be seeing that outside of very CPU reliant games.

The other is that when you change the graphics cards/drivers, games which use compiled shaders may need them recompiled, so you may be observing that for a while.

Beyond that, no idea.

Mind you, every game I tested, I tested both GPUs. On the 2060, no stutter to be found (just, you know, less fps).

And about the shaders, through enduring a long session of gameplay, I accounted for that. It never stopped stuttering. Couple times I thought it had stopped, but almost as a response to my thought, a stutter said hi.

Could my motherboard be causing some kind of incompatibility? It never crashed, black screened on me nor showed any signs of being damaged, so I'm not sure myself. Just throwing it out there.

 

[Macro Device]

Do you see these stutters on your frametime graph? If yes then we dig deeper. Might be infamous AM4+Corsair RAM thing. Might be PSU being just barely suited for 2060 but not enough for 4070 so it intermittently drops clocks because of brownouts. I know on paper your PSU is more than fine but your particular unit might be defective/abused. If you got that kinda friend then borrow their PSU and try again. Won't hurt to test a different RAM kit, preferrably NOT Corsair.

If no then it's either you've gone bonkers (very unlikely) or your monitor is allergic to RTX 4070 (or vice versa). Or a cable. Try a different cable/display/port.

 

[AboutToGoPostal]

Do you see these stutters on your frametime graph? If yes then we dig deeper. Might be infamous AM4+Corsair RAM thing. Might be PSU being just barely suited for 2060 but not enough for 4070 so it intermittently drops clocks because of brownouts. I know on paper your PSU is more than fine but your particular unit might be defective/abused. If you got that kinda friend then borrow their PSU and try again. Won't hurt to test a different RAM kit, preferrably NOT Corsair.

If no then it's either you've gone bonkers (very unlikely) or your monitor is allergic to RTX 4070 (or vice versa). Or a cable. Try a different cable/display/port.

Yes, I do. I both see them and feel them.

My RAM isn't Corsair, so on that front we're safe. Though, I really don't have another ram kit to test nor friend with an equivalent PSU. The only one I have is a Corsair CX 500W; the one I used before the MSI MAG 650W. But I thought that maybe the case so I set an undervolt on the 4070. Same story. Could it still be the PSU?

I tried other monitor as well and a different Display Port and then an HDMI cable... No change.


Boy you wouldn't believe how much I'd like to simply be bonkers right now; I might be getting there. It scares me. The stutters scare more.

PS: they happen only in game; I can use the computer no problem.

 

[photonboy]

Hi,
1) 650W PSU should be plenty. Your entire system should be using roughly 300 to 350W when gaming.
2) NOT an issue with the 40 series. I have an RTX4070 (Asus) plus R7-5700X3D. 32GB DDR4. Basically, the same system. (Windows 11 but that should't help. Last resort?)
3) What basic MONITOR SPECS?
i.e. 2560x144, 144Hz, GSync-compatible

4) Try running "STEEL NOMAD" through 3DMARK in Steam. I watched it and it was buttery smooth. Is yours?
- my score was about 4000. What is yours?
- look at the "GPU load %" graph (red). Mine is almost a straight line. Is yours?

5) CPU-Z
I don't thing this issue is related to the CPU or to DDR4 memory, but I'll just post my ST/MT scores anyway so you can compare the BENCH results. Run them.
ST-> 532
MT-> 5505

DDR4 might still be the issue though. I'm not sure why, but anecdotally there's evidence. But then you turned off XMP so I assume reverted to a slower 2133MHz (or whatever) JEDEC which should have been stable. (Make sure you're back on XMP/DOCP now)

6) Does a non-demanding game like Stardew Valley, or Meatboy stutter?

7) Device Manager-> Any yellow/black exclamation points?

8) AMD chipset drivers->
Shouldn't matter, but just so we have the same ones Google "AM4 chipset drivers" you can do it here:

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/chipsets/am4.html

Clock download-> browse down to CHIPSETS-> AM4...

9) Swapping parts. I don't think it could be the DP cable since it worked before. Or the monitor. Or PSU. But if you run out of ideas, maybe swap:
a) Monitor (any monitor)
b) DisplayPort cable
c) PSU

I know a LOT about Windows and gaming, but this problem has me stumped as you seem to have done all the basics.

BUT.. let's start there and see if we can figure it out!

 

[Aken Bosch]

Borked OS. Also that HDD irks me, unplug it and see how the system behaves without it.

 

[GerKNG]

are you gaming off the HDD?

 

[Aken Bosch]

@GerKNG I suspect so, that's why I was mentioned it. With a HDD and a more powerful card it could spell trouble.

 

[AboutToGoPostal]

Do you see these stutters on your frametime graph? If yes then we dig deeper. Might be infamous AM4+Corsair RAM thing. Might be PSU being just barely suited for 2060 but not enough for 4070 so it intermittently drops clocks because of brownouts. I know on paper your PSU is more than fine but your particular unit might be defective/abused. If you got that kinda friend then borrow their PSU and try again. Won't hurt to test a different RAM kit, preferrably NOT Corsair.

If no then it's either you've gone bonkers (very unlikely) or your monitor is allergic to RTX 4070 (or vice versa). Or a cable. Try a different cable/display/port.

Yes, I do. I both see them and feel them.

My RAM isn't Corsair, so on that front we're safe. Though, I really don't have another ram kit to test nor friend with an equivalent PSU. The only one I have is a Corsair CX 500W; the one I used before the MSI MAG 650W. But I thought that maybe the case so I set an undervolt on the 4070. Same story. Could it still be the PSU?

I tried other monitor as well and a different Display Port and then an HDMI cable... No change.


Boy you wouldn't believe how much I'd like to simply be bonkers right now; I might be getting there. It scares me. The stutters scare more.

PS: they happen only in game; I can use the computer no problem.

Hi,
1) 650W PSU should be plenty. Your entire system should be using roughly 300 to 350W when gaming.
2) NOT an issue with the 40 series. I have an RTX4070 (Asus) plus R7-5700X3D. 32GB DDR4. Basically, the same system. (Windows 11 but that should't help. Last resort?)
3) What basic MONITOR SPECS?
i.e. 2560x144, 144Hz, GSync-compatible

4) Try running "STEEL NOMAD" through 3DMARK in Steam. I watched it and it was buttery smooth. Is yours?
- my score was about 4000. What is yours?
- look at the "GPU load %" graph (red). Mine is almost a straight line. Is yours?

5) CPU-Z
I don't thing this issue is related to the CPU or to DDR4 memory, but I'll just post my ST/MT scores anyway so you can compare the BENCH results. Run them.
ST-> 532
MT-> 5505

DDR4 might still be the issue though. I'm not sure why, but anecdotally there's evidence. But then you turned off XMP so I assume reverted to a slower 2133MHz (or whatever) JEDEC which should have been stable. (Make sure you're back on XMP/DOCP now)

6) Does a non-demanding game like Stardew Valley, or Meatboy stutter?

7) Device Manager-> Any yellow/black exclamation points?

8) AMD chipset drivers->
Shouldn't matter, but just so we have the same ones Google "AM4 chipset drivers" you can do it here:

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/chipsets/am4.html

Clock download-> browse down to CHIPSETS-> AM4...

9) Swapping parts. I don't think it could be the DP cable since it worked before. Or the monitor. Or PSU. But if you run out of ideas, maybe swap:
a) Monitor (any monitor)
b) DisplayPort cable
c) PSU

I know a LOT about Windows and gaming, but this problem has me stumped as you seem to have done all the basics.

BUT.. let's start there and see if we can figure it out!

Hi there.

My monitor is 1080p, 165HZ, Freesync compatible.

I'll give STEEL NOMAD a try. Thanks for the tip.

I'll also try a less demanding game.

And the CPU-Z as well.

Device Manager says there's a yellow ! on the Other Devices tap, but that's been there since I forever.

The Chipsets are alright. Straight from AMD.

I tried another monitor, a TV and then another DP cable and HDMI. Nothing.

Only PSU I have is my old Corsair CX 500.

Borked OS. Also that HDD irks me, unplug it and see how the system behaves without it.

My OS is on the HDD, my games on the SSD. Thoughts?

are you gaming off the HDD?

No, straight from the SSD. Though, my OS is on the HDD.

Btw, it says awaiting moderator approval, is it not an auto mod but a flesh and blood moderator? Is that why it takes time for the messages to go through?

 

[photonboy]

1) OS is not borked. He reinstalled it. Plus, the RTX2060 was swapped back in and it DID NOT STUTTER.

QUESTIONS:
1) If you DRAG a Window around the screen, like... let's use CPU-Z to keep it simple. Is it completely SMOOTH?
It's buttery smooth for me.

2) List a few OLDER games that stutter for you. If I have one then we can use that to test things out.
Again, I have the SAME basic hardware.

3) motherboard BIOS up to date?
I can't think of a good reason this would help as I checked your BIOS updates. Being honest. Let's save that as a last resort if it's not recent.

4) Pick an older game that can runs way over 100FPS that you know ran SMOOTH before. Maybe Half Life 2 or whatever. Now cap it to, say, 80FPS in-game or via the NVidia Control Panel. Is it stuttering or smooth?

NCP-> Manage 3D settings-> Program Settings-> Add Game-> (pick the game)-> set FPS cap and SAVE
(verify in-game FPS is capped to 80FPS using Steam settings, or other OSD that can display FPS)

5) IS GSYNC ENABLED?
It should be by default, but need to rule that out. Check NVidia Control Panel. "Setup GSync" should be there and GSync is checked on.

6) Pick a game that can run locked to 165FPS (165Hz monitor) with VSYNC ON. May need to drop some settings.
Like Super Meatboy or whatever. Is it smooth?

Summary:
I'm asking a lot. It's a tough problem. Trying to narrow it down. I've never seen your exact issue before.

(before I forget. I really recommend you get a 1440p monitor. Possibly 4K depending on usage. I use a 4K, 144Hz monitor with my RTX4070. I know you tried with a TV so this isn't troubleshooting advice)

Best 1440p Gaming Monitors of 2024 [November Update]

 

[AboutToGoPostal]

1) OS is not borked. He reinstalled it. Plus, the RTX2060 was swapped back in and it DID NOT STUTTER.

QUESTIONS:
1) If you DRAG a Window around the screen, like... let's use CPU-Z to keep it simple. Is it completely SMOOTH?
It's buttery smooth for me.

2) List a few OLDER games that stutter for you. If I have one then we can use that to test things out.
Again, I have the SAME basic hardware.

3) motherboard BIOS up to date?
I can't think of a good reason this would help as I checked your BIOS updates. Being honest. Let's save that as a last resort if it's not recent.

4) Pick an older game that can runs way over 100FPS that you know ran SMOOTH before. Maybe Half Life 2 or whatever. Now cap it to, say, 80FPS in-game or via the NVidia Control Panel. Is it stuttering or smooth?

NCP-> Manage 3D settings-> Program Settings-> Add Game-> (pick the game)-> set FPS cap and SAVE
(verify in-game FPS is capped to 80FPS using Steam settings, or other OSD that can display FPS)

5) IS GSYNC ENABLED?
It should be by default, but need to rule that out. Check NVidia Control Panel. "Setup GSync" should be there and GSync is checked on.

6) Pick a game that can run locked to 165FPS (165Hz monitor) with VSYNC ON. May need to drop some settings.
Like Super Meatboy or whatever. Is it smooth?

Summary:
I'm asking a lot. It's a tough problem. Trying to narrow it down. I've never seen your exact issue before.

(before I forget. I really recommend you get a 1440p monitor. Possibly 4K depending on usage. I use a 4K, 144Hz monitor with my RTX4070. I know you tried with a TV so this isn't troubleshooting advice)

Best 1440p Gaming Monitors of 2024 [November Update]

When I drag a window, there's no stutter. At least, not that I can tell.


One of the games I've been playing a lot is Battlefield V, the fps is high, but the stutters really do get in the way.
Another one is GTA V. Been playing since... I don't know, forever? And never even thought about stutter.
There are a few others like God of War/God of War Ragnarok and whatnot, but since those already contain stutters baked into the experience, it's a confusion better avoided.

Although I do use Battlefield V to test it, GTA V is quicker to do so. And yes, yes, I know about the engine limit, so I use a 120Hz/120FPS limiter. It stutters on 60 fps as well. Takes a little longer to happen, but happens nonetheless.

For my older game pick, I picked The Expendabros, locked it to 80... Believe it or not, stutters. To be exact, one frame stutter. It's not all the time, but it does happen. (wtf)

I've also put The Expendabros on 165 Fps, G-Sync + V-Sync ON. Then only V-Sync. Then only G-Sync. And then no Sync at all. Same one frame stutters.

My BIOS version is the 4604 version, just one behind the new one, the 4621 (the beta BIOS).


About the monitor, I simply chose the system power over it. I like to use Nvidia's DLDSR to play at higher resolutions. Also, yes I've already tried disabling that option, and guess what? No change.

 

[phanbuey]

so for my brand new ryzen 9800X3D build i threw in a kit 64 GB of Gskill 5600 CL30 that i oc'ed to 6200 CL32 on the system... shadow of the benchmark ran fine - fired up hogwarts legacy... massive stutters - tried all different settings. Nothing seemed to work - the game was just constantly stuttering as you ran around the castle.

I remembered that game being pretty stuttery on my 13700k until I got faster ram (it was the same 64GB kit) - I thought back then it was just the game and that it just got patched or something... worth a shot - I put back my 48GB of 7600 ram into the new ryzen system and just set it to the same 6200 speed.

Stutters gone... game runs like butter now.

Something about my gskill ram kit caused insane stuttering -- HL was actually unplayable. Not sure exactly what it was but it wasn't ram speed or timings, something about those IC's was not playing well with texture or asset streaming.

It could be rebar/smart access memory support and how it interacts with the memory subsystem. I think the new graphics cards interact directly with the memory in ways i don't fully understand yet - there was no reason for that gskill kit to be that disruptive to fps at 6200Mhz and pre-set timings.

 

[photonboy]

I have GOD OF WAR.
Most of the time for me, it's buttery smooth. I have a 4K screen. DLSS Quality. All settings to maximum, except SHADOWS one down (HIGH?).

(You probably don't want to use DLSS on a 1080p screen)

I mostly play at a locked 90FPS (set in-game). So you obviously should be able to go higher. In the place that transports you between REALMS if I just pan the camera around I stay mostly locked to 90FPS and it's as SMOOTH as it possibly gets.

*IS IT BUTTERY SMOOTH AT LEAST HERE IN THE TRANSPORT AREA?

So I'm a bit stuck at the moment.

DDR4 comment:
I see no reason it would be the DDR4 because it worked fine BEFORE. Only the RTX2060 was changed.

It usually doesn't matter, but let's get this out of the way too. I have these both enabled but you can them ON vs OFF:
a) Hardware Acclerated GPU scheduling
b) Flip Presentation Model (may be called "Optimizations for Windowed Games")

SHADOW OF THE TOMB RAIDER is a better game to test as it's super smooth and has its own benchmark tool.

 

[phanbuey]

I have GOD OF WAR.
Most of the time for me, it's buttery smooth. I have a 4K screen. DLSS Quality. All settings to maximum, except SHADOWS one down (HIGH?).

(You probably don't want to use DLSS on a 1080p screen)

I mostly play at a locked 90FPS (set in-game). So you obviously should be able to go higher. In the place that transports you between REALMS if I just pan the camera around I stay mostly locked to 90FPS and it's as SMOOTH as it possibly gets.

*IS IT BUTTERY SMOOTH AT LEAST HERE IN THE TRANSPORT AREA?

So I'm a bit stuck at the moment.

DDR4 comment:
I see no reason it would be the DDR4 because it worked fine BEFORE. Only the RTX2060 was changed.

It usually doesn't matter, but let's get this out of the way too. I have these both enabled but you can them ON vs OFF:
a) Hardware Acclerated GPU scheduling
b) Flip Presentation Model (may be called "Optimizations for Windowed Games")

SHADOW OF THE TOMB RAIDER is a better game to test as it's super smooth and has its own benchmark tool.

Shadow of the Tomb raider is very good at streaming in - it doesn't really stutter -- you want a badly coded game like Hogwarts or Far Cry 5 etc. to test hitching. SOTR always ran smooth for me even when other games were doing their best impression of a powerpoint presentation.

Turn off rebar / SAM and see if it does anything. That's a feature that 2xxx series didn't have that got added later to the 3xxx series, and the nvidia implementation of it was always pretty sketchy.

EDIT: just saw he tried that... hm...

GPU Stutter Below Frame Cap in all games (RTX 4090 FE / 5800X3D) - Troubleshooting - Linus Tech Tips
Is it just me or are the nvidia 40 series extremely unstable? : r/buildapc

Quite a few comments stating that putting back an older card fixed the issues.

Seems like you're not the only one with 4xxx issues on that chipset.

 

[AboutToGoPostal]

I have GOD OF WAR.
Most of the time for me, it's buttery smooth. I have a 4K screen. DLSS Quality. All settings to maximum, except SHADOWS one down (HIGH?).

(You probably don't want to use DLSS on a 1080p screen)

I mostly play at a locked 90FPS (set in-game). So you obviously should be able to go higher. In the place that transports you between REALMS if I just pan the camera around I stay mostly locked to 90FPS and it's as SMOOTH as it possibly gets.

*IS IT BUTTERY SMOOTH AT LEAST HERE IN THE TRANSPORT AREA?

So I'm a bit stuck at the moment.

DDR4 comment:
I see no reason it would be the DDR4 because it worked fine BEFORE. Only the RTX2060 was changed.

It usually doesn't matter, but let's get this out of the way too. I have these both enabled but you can them ON vs OFF:
a) Hardware Acclerated GPU scheduling
b) Flip Presentation Model (may be called "Optimizations for Windowed Games")

SHADOW OF THE TOMB RAIDER is a better game to test as it's super smooth and has its own benchmark tool.

Over there, when I open the door a little stutter happens and another when approaching the table. The thing is, I can reproduce those stutter almost always. As long as it's Midgard, those stutters happen. But apart from those and a few other repeatable ones nearby, it's smooth in there.

Unfortunately I don't have Shadow of the Tomb Raider. Kept saying I'd buy next sale then next sale and then never bought it.

I've already messed with Hardware Acceleration too.

This Flip Presentation Model or Optimisations for Windowed Games, I took a look into those, apparently a Windows 11 exclusive.

 

[photonboy]

"Shadow of the Tomb raider is very good at streaming in - it doesn't really stutter"

This is EXACTLY why I recommended it. He said EVERY GAME stutters so if it's a game that SHOULD run well and has a benchmark that's ideal to use.

 

[AboutToGoPostal]

Shadow of the Tomb raider is very good at streaming in - it doesn't really stutter -- you want a badly coded game like Hogwarts or Far Cry 5 etc. to test hitching. SOTR always ran smooth for me even when other games were doing their best impression of a powerpoint presentation.

Turn off rebar / SAM and see if it does anything. That's a feature that 2xxx series didn't have that got added later to the 3xxx series, and the nvidia implementation of it was always pretty sketchy.

EDIT: just saw he tried that... hm...

GPU Stutter Below Frame Cap in all games (RTX 4090 FE / 5800X3D) - Troubleshooting - Linus Tech Tips
Is it just me or are the nvidia 40 series extremely unstable? : r/buildapc

Quite a few comments stating that putting back an older card fixed the issues.

Seems like you're not the only one with 4xxx issues on that chipset.

I've seen a few of those. Never a solution to be found. I'm open to suggestions of course, but at this point I'm really thinking I must have gotten another bad card on a roll or some other part of my computer's causing this incompatibility.

When no one's ever found a solution to a problem like this and whatnot, I can't help but think it must be something obvious I'm missing.

 

[eidairaman1]

Long story short: for whatever many years, I've been a RTX 2060 user. Recently, the stars aligned for me to get an upgrade and I got myself a brand new RTX 4070 from GALAX to boost my system. That said, I wasn't prepared for the absolute headache it'd give me (and it's still giving, thus why I'm posting this). It arrived with a bonus: STUTTERS.

No matter the game I play, the graphic settings, resolution, monitor Hz and of course FPS. It's that powerful.

So, what have I already done? I've:

Used DDU for drivers; as in every possible driver under the sun.

Updated my BIOS.

Upgraded my CPU.

Updated my MOBO Chipset.

Disabled XMP.

Disabled GAMEBARS.

Disabled/enabled REBAR.

Disabled/enabled fTPM.

Disabled GAME MODE.

Disabled NVIDIA High Definition Audio.

Messed with all Syncs (G-Sync included) and Low Latency Modes.

Reinstalled Windows 10 two (2) times.

Uninstalled MSI AFTERBURNER.

Checked my temps.

And a whole lot of other things I might mention if someone asks.

But the plot thickens.

One day I plugged my old 2060 in and... No stutters. Everything working as intended, just like always. Great. Problem solved. I sent it back to GALAX, they told me my GPU "wasn't working properly" and they would sent me a new one. It arrived, I plugged it in... Stutters. How cool is that?

Does any soul reading this has any idea of what's happening? Is it possible that some other part of my PC's causing some compatibility issue with the RTX 40 series? Or am I simply lucky enough to get two bad cards in a roll?

Any help's appreciated.

***

Also, my PSU is an MSI MAG 650W

RYZEN 7 5700X3D (formerly used a RYZEN 5 5600, same stutters)

B450m Pro S

WINDOWS 10 PRO

1 HDD 1TB

1 SSD 1TB

32 GB RAM 3200MHz

What SSD and what ram?

Shadow of the Tomb raider is very good at streaming in - it doesn't really stutter -- you want a badly coded game like Hogwarts or Far Cry 5 etc. to test hitching. SOTR always ran smooth for me even when other games were doing their best impression of a powerpoint presentation.

Turn off rebar / SAM and see if it does anything. That's a feature that 2xxx series didn't have that got added later to the 3xxx series, and the nvidia implementation of it was always pretty sketchy.

EDIT: just saw he tried that... hm...

GPU Stutter Below Frame Cap in all games (RTX 4090 FE / 5800X3D) - Troubleshooting - Linus Tech Tips
Is it just me or are the nvidia 40 series extremely unstable? : r/buildapc

Quite a few comments stating that putting back an older card fixed the issues.

Seems like you're not the only one with 4xxx issues on that chipset.

Might try a RX 7700-7900 series card.

 

[AboutToGoPostal]

What SSD and what ram?


Might try a RX 7700-7900 series card.

A pair of NETAC Shadow 16 GB 3200MHz.

A NETAC NV 3000 1TB.


Well, I could try those cards. Could, but I'd either need someone I know who has one or enough doubloons to buy one. I have none. The GPU and CPU sucked the budget out of my wallet.

 

[dodik3n_SVK]

At first try SSD for a system, HDD is not good for w10.

 

[photonboy]

Trying an AMD card doesn't make sense when my RTX4070 works great with the same CPU.

And no, trust me the problem isn't obvious.

I have no reason to think it's the Galax card itself.

Let's summarize:
1) System works great with RTX2060
2) System stutters with Galax RTX4070, then the replacement
3) RTX2060 back in system. Stutters gone.
4) Capping FPS (and thus limiting power draw) still stutters. That should rule out the PSU.
5) Clean Windows install
6) fTPM stutter can't be the problem as, again, it didn't stutter with the RTX2060 and he tried it off
7) Different screen tried

*From my point of view, we've pretty much ruled everything out. Some weird issue a BIOS update would fix? I don't see why, but that's all I have at this point.

If you decide to flash the new version of BIOS, be sure to plan for a worst-case. You may need to login to your e-mail on a different computer (Windows made me redo my PIN or something).
It will probably reset your settings so you'll want:
a) UEFI security enabled
b) CSM disabled
c) Fans as you like (I set mine up to reduce noise, but the program I installed "Fan Control" supercedes that once it loads in Windows.)
d) DOCP (XMP) back to default profile
e) ReBAR enabled

And you may get a stupid, confusing note about fTPM security that I muddled through and got working.

At first try SSD for a system, HDD is not good for w10.

NOTHING to do with his problem.
He's swaps in the RTX2060 and it works fine. The games are on an SSD.

I do recommend running Windows on an SSD though. I personally just use a 512GB SSD because I use Macrium Reflect Free to auto-backup my system and I don't want it to be too large. SSD's are pretty cheap now. I'd actually use SATA and save your M.2 slots.

 

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Trying an AMD card doesn't make sense when my RTX4070 works great with the same CPU.

And no, trust me the problem isn't obvious.

I have no reason to think it's the Galax card itself.

Let's summarize:
1) System works great with RTX2060
2) System stutters with Galax RTX4070, then the replacement
3) RTX2060 back in system. Stutters gone.
4) Capping FPS (and thus limiting power draw) still stutters. That should rule out the PSU.
5) Clean Windows install
6) fTPM stutter can't be the problem as, again, it didn't stutter with the RTX2060 and he tried it off
7) Different screen tried

*From my point of view, we've pretty much ruled everything out. Some weird issue a BIOS update would fix? I don't see why, but that's all I have at this point.

If you decide to flash the new version of BIOS, be sure to plan for a worst-case. You may need to login to your e-mail on a different computer (Windows made me redo my PIN or something).
It will probably reset your settings so you'll want:
a) UEFI security enabled
b) CSM disabled
c) Fans as you like (I set mine up to reduce noise, but the program I installed "Fan Control" supercedes that once it loads in Windows.)
d) DOCP (XMP) back to default profile
e) ReBAR enabled

And you may get a stupid, confusing note about fTPM security that I muddled through and got working.


NOTHING to do with his problem.
He's swaps in the RTX2060 and it works fine. The games are on an SSD.

I do recommend running Windows on an SSD though. I personally just use a 512GB SSD because I use Macrium Reflect Free to auto-backup my system and I don't want it to be too large. SSD's are pretty cheap now. I'd actually use SATA and save your M.2 slots.

One of the first things I tried was to update my BIOS. Meaning I've updated to then the latest version for my board. Is there a chance the latest version fixes this? Doesn't sound like a problem so widespread it might be the case. I don't know.

As I said, at situations like these, I can't help but think the problem is something more... Simple? Maybe? I'm not sure I believe I'm simply lucky enough the powers that be gifted me a problem with such little documentation I (we) need to pioneer the solution.

Everything's well plugged, no artefacts on screen nor crashes, freezes... Gotta be hardware, right? I can always sent the card back to GALAX.