Stutters with New GPU

[dodik3n_SVK]

Check this thread:
What fixed stuttering and random framerate spikes in games for me

 

[tfdsaf]

Got myself a new 850W GOLD PSU late last year and I can now confirm it's not the case. For a moment I believed that was it. After all, compared to all my setup, in terms of quality, the PSU wasn't up to par. But yeah, unfortunately, it isn't it.

I only have one option remaining: Motherboard.

If it's not it either, I might as well get a exorcist or something.


GPU never even goes past 60ºC

The CPU hovers around that ballpark.

I'm posting this as an UPDATE on the situation.

Since November 2024 when I wrote all this, I got myself a new 850W GOLD PSU from XPG and I can safely say power supply isn't the issue.

Also got a new third 4070, guess what? Same thing. Granted I see no other option (if not for accepting I'm really lucky enough to get three bad cards in a roll) I'll look into a new motherboard.

If anyone having read this whole thread has any idea what could be the problem a motherboard problem, I'll appreciate the suggestion.

"What if you buy another motherboard and it still doesn't work?"

I don't know. I really don't. I'll call an exorcist or something. Technology sure knows how to be a pain in the soul.

Does MSI afterburner or any other hardware monitoring software run in the background? Recently some guy on reddit had a similar issue to yours and it turns out it was some sort of monitoring/tunning program that he had running in the background.

I'd reset the bios to defaults again as well, do this by removing the battery and having your computer sit without PSU plugged in and without battery for 30-45 minutes, have the cmos reset, then start your computer without the battery, go into bios reset everything, shut down, then place the battery, turn on the pc and go into bios again, make sure everything is at default settings.

 

[wheresmycar]

^ CMOS RESET - i'd consider that too

Despite both cards (2060/4070) have a 192bit memory bus, the RTX 4070 is way more hungrier for bandwidth with its fasterr GDDR6X memory/etc. Its possible its being bottlenecked.... maybe locked to PCIe 2.0 or 3.0 but trimmed to x8. Check BIOS settings to make sure the GPU slot / PCIe link speed is set to 3.0 and in x16 mode. If its set to 'Auto', force it to 3.0. Or, download GPU-z and drop us a screenshot.

Have you tried playing around with the 'Resize Bar' setting?

Look to power supply configurations - disable power saving settings (if any)

iGPU setting should be off by default with the non-iGPU 5700X3D. Worth a check!

Also i wander if anything is sharing PCIe lanes with your primary GPU slot. Eg. storage device/expansion card/etc. PCIe 4.0 is recommended for the 4070 but its backwards compatible and 3.0 should be sufficient at full capacity hence we don't want anything eating into 3.0s GPU-dedicated bandwidth.

If nothing works (incl. all the other suggestions from others) its possible the B450M Pro S, being an older Gen board, might have some other compatibility issue with its PCIe implementation (or unknown interference) when paired with the more demanding 4070s architecture. To rule out the possibility of the card itself being the issue, consider asking a friend, colleague or someone with a PCIe 3.0 or 4.0 compatible motherboard to test the card and see how it plays out.

 

[AboutToGoPostal]

You replaced all the spinning rust with SATA SSD or nvme correct? Many modern games require an SSD now.

And yes, it may be time to make an offering to the Omnissiah, brother.

Correct, no HDDs no more. Both SATA and NVME now.

Maybe, If I sell my soul to the source of all knowledge himself, he'll forgive me?

Check this thread:
What fixed stuttering and random framerate spikes in games for me

I'll take a look.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Do you have rebar enabled?

 

[Dr. Dro]

This has all the symptoms of a system that has had its HPET settings changed. The following commands will remove any changes to the HPET and AVX settings, with the last one issuing a full reboot:

bcdedit /deletevalue useplatformclock
bcdedit /deletevalue tscsyncpolicy
bcdedit /deletevalue disabledynamictick
bcdedit /deletevalue xsavedisable
shutdown -r -t 0

Also: do not toggle message signaled interrupts. Leave all these settings at default. Additionally, avoid using DOCP. DOCP rarely ever works. You may want to set memory timings manually, fortunately there is a calculator that makes things easy for Ryzen and tons of guides about.

 

[scooze]

Stutters >> CPU
The first thing I would check is how this 4070 works with Alder/Raptor 12600K/13600K or 7600X with AM5 system.
Question to google: What CPU to pair with a 4070?

As of my knowledge up until December 2023, the best Intel CPU to pair with an RTX 4070 would be the Intel Core i9-12900K. It offers strong multi-threaded performance and high clock speeds, making it ideal for gaming and other demanding tasks.Dec 6, 2023

Reddit:

7800x3d is the absolute best currently.
7600/x if you want something cheaper.
13600k if you want intel.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Has brand new fresh installation of Windows 10 been considered yet? I'd start there myself...

GL!!

 

[AboutToGoPostal]

Does MSI afterburner or any other hardware monitoring software run in the background? Recently some guy on reddit had a similar issue to yours and it turns out it was some sort of monitoring/tunning program that he had running in the background.

I'd reset the bios to defaults again as well, do this by removing the battery and having your computer sit without PSU plugged in and without battery for 30-45 minutes, have the cmos reset, then start your computer without the battery, go into bios reset everything, shut down, then place the battery, turn on the pc and go into bios again, make sure everything is at default settings.

CMOS Reset done, no dice. Already tried monitoring programs off, no dice, too.

In fact, at this point, I'm all out of damn dices.

^ CMOS RESET - i'd consider that too

Despite both cards (2060/4070) have a 192bit memory bus, the RTX 4070 is way more hungrier for bandwidth with its fasterr GDDR6X memory/etc. Its possible its being bottlenecked.... maybe locked to PCIe 2.0 or 3.0 but trimmed to x8. Check BIOS settings to make sure the GPU slot / PCIe link speed is set to 3.0 and in x16 mode. If its set to 'Auto', force it to 3.0. Or, download GPU-z and drop us a screenshot.

Have you tried playing around with the 'Resize Bar' setting?

Look to power supply configurations - disable power saving settings (if any)

iGPU setting should be off by default with the non-iGPU 5700X3D. Worth a check!

Also i wander if anything is sharing PCIe lanes with your primary GPU slot. Eg. storage device/expansion card/etc. PCIe 4.0 is recommended for the 4070 but its backwards compatible and 3.0 should be sufficient at full capacity hence we don't want anything eating into 3.0s GPU-dedicated bandwidth.

If nothing works (incl. all the other suggestions from others) its possible the B450M Pro S, being an older Gen board, might have some other compatibility issue with its PCIe implementation (or unknown interference) when paired with the more demanding 4070s architecture. To rule out the possibility of the card itself being the issue, consider asking a friend, colleague or someone with a PCIe 3.0 or 4.0 compatible motherboard to test the card and see how it plays out.

Tried REBAR, no change. No power saving setting to be seen.
iGPU all good.

Only thing I have is the NVME on the slot above the GPU, but when I play something, GPU-Z says it's 3.0 X16 no problem.

And yeah, at the moment, incompatibility's my main theory. I believe even before February I'll already be able to get my hands on another MOBO. Here's hoping it does the trick.

Do you have rebar enabled?

Disabled it, enabled it, hugged it, kissed it... no change.

This has all the symptoms of a system that has had its HPET settings changed. The following commands will remove any changes to the HPET and AVX settings, with the last one issuing a full reboot:

bcdedit /deletevalue useplatformclock
bcdedit /deletevalue tscsyncpolicy
bcdedit /deletevalue disabledynamictick
bcdedit /deletevalue xsavedisable
shutdown -r -t 0

Also: do not toggle message signaled interrupts. Leave all these settings at default. Additionally, avoid using DOCP. DOCP rarely ever works. You may want to set memory timings manually, fortunately there is a calculator that makes things easy for Ryzen and tons of guides about.

Tried all of them, it says element not found. So, no HPET settings have ever been changed, I assume?

About DOCP I tried with and without, nothing changed. If you mean it as a general tip, after I'm able to get this whole dance over with, I'll consider it.

Has brand new fresh installation of Windows 10 been considered yet? I'd start there myself...

GL!!

Yep, about 2 or 3 times I believe? On Windows 11 now and yeah... same problem.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

CMOS Reset done, no dice. Already tried monitoring programs off, no dice, too.

In fact, at this point, I'm all out of damn dices.


Tried REBAR, no change. No power saving setting to be seen.
iGPU all good.

Only thing I have is the NVME on the slot above the GPU, but when I play something, GPU-Z says it's 3.0 X16 no problem.

And yeah, at the moment, incompatibility's my main theory. I believe even before February I'll already be able to get my hands on another MOBO. Here's hoping it does the trick.


Disabled it, enabled it, hugged it, kissed it... no change.


Tried all of them, it says element not found. So, no HPET settings have ever been changed, I assume?

About DOCP I tried with and without, nothing changed. If you mean it as a general tip, after I'm able to get this whole dance done, I'll consider it.


Yep, about 2 or 3 times I believe? On Windows 11 now and yeah... same problem.

As far as I can read, the card has an issue. Warranty it, see what happens.

 

[AboutToGoPostal]

As far as I can read, the card has an issue. Warranty it, see what happens.

Oh boy, what if I told you this is my third GPU we're talking about? The chronology? Simple. I bought my first 4070 last year and began noticing something was off. The warranty process went smooth. But when the second 4070 came, it behaved the same way. I contacted the support again and after some back and forth and a lot of waiting, I got the one currently in my possession. Guess what? Yeah, it works no problem and I'm very happy right now. It's what I would like to say. It has the same problem.

Unless I'm to accept I've been blessed with some ungodly luck to get three bad cards in a row, the problem lies elsewhere. Namely: the MOBO.

Or, at the very least, I hope so.

 

[xtreemchaos]

A shot in the dark, after changing the cpu did you update the chipset drivers ?.

 

[AboutToGoPostal]

A shot in the dark, after changing the cpu did you update the chipset drivers ?.

I did.

There might be other things, who knows, but at this point, I think I exhausted most my "feasible" software tweak options.

 

[AboutToGoPostal]

Well, new MOBO in hand folks. Guess what? Stutters persist.

I don't know anymore, I really don't. I guess I've really just been unlucky with RTX 40s? Time to get me some refunds and try AMD I guess.

 

[rv8000]

Well, new MOBO in hand folks. Guess what? Stutters persist.

I don't know anymore, I really don't. I guess I've really just been unlucky with RTX 40s? Time to get me some refunds and try AMD I guess.

Have you tried unplugging nonessential peripherals including internal connectors (front usb, front audio etc…)?

Id say its worth a shot to bread board the setup and boot without a case + monitor + kb + mouse and nothing else.

 

[AboutToGoPostal]

Have you tried unplugging nonessential peripherals including internal connectors (front usb, front audio etc…)?

Id say its worth a shot to bread board the setup and boot without a case + monitor + kb + mouse and nothing else.

I did. In fact, I've always used only the bare minimum; not a fan of too many cables and such. Though, thanks for the suggestion.

 

[Ayato2k]

I have similar problems since 5 months with new PC 4070ti s (tried 2 of them - msi slim and pny xlr8). I refund 2x motherboards - msi x670e gaming and gigabyte x670 gaming x ax v2 (I end with x870 Riptide), 2x RAM, 2x 7800X3D and end with cheaper 7600X. Everything with 850W PSU. I tried everything what you did and maybe more - fTPM, resizebar, GPU scheduling, clear installation W10/11, different drivers/chipset/BIOS, BIOS PCIe settings etc. Also some registry changes in Windows or even unplugging everything what wasn't necessary to turn on PC. Literally everything what I found for half year. Nothing help. Similar, my old gtx1070 looks fine with new PC. Microstutters apper even if I lock fps on avg FPS I reached with old GTX - also eliminate potential bottleneck. I found some people with 4080 and 9800X3D who didn't solve theirs stutters problem for months too.
So give feedback if changing to AMD was a solution for you or if you solved this with some satanic ritual.