The EU Proposes New Mobile Device Regulation to Extend Product Life Time

[Space Lynx]

The issue is security updates, as that's where things falter.

my new samsung phone i get this year is promised to get monthly security updates for next 5 years. samsung really hit it out of the park this round, to my knowledge, no one else offers that.

 

[zlobby]

They work, but at super low power levels, so not something that could power a phone.

Guys claim a battery that doesn't need recharging, bruh. Did they invent perpetuum mobile while I was sleeping?

my new samsung phone i get this year is promised to get monthly security updates for next 5 years. samsung really hit it out of the park this round, to my knowledge, no one else offers that.

Apart from Apple, maybe.

 

[Denver]

You are free. But you ain't the one 15years in mobile service tech as a manufacturer official. Nobody will bat an eye on those kits as a mere consumer. Cheapskates are everywhere, but the the effort really is a total miss for an average customer and their upgrade patterns. This all movement is totally useless 99,99% of population.

As I said... those upgrade cycles are useless also, because google expands itself, you cannot hold progress. What's the point of releasing a fresh OS on a hardware that lacks needed HW features and you have to do it brute force. It will work slower. People actually tend to stick to older releases because of performance reasons.

Or you are saying OK, lets push them to compile the shit code on any arch without thinking. We made our promise, who cares how. That's not how it works. Security updates are another thing. But it should be already solved if we look at Google GSI images.

Progress coming from Android update? Do you really believe that we need this? Little to no justification for the need for so many OS changes.

With each new OS version your device gets slower, more storage and RAM is consumed in exchange for no performance gain. I always find it amazing how many years ago a smartphone with only 512Mb of ram running Android 4.0 was as responsive as a actual device with 4GB running the latest version of Android.

 

[zlobby]

Progress coming from Android update? Do you really believe that we need this? Little to no justification for the need for so many OS changes.

With each new OS version your device gets slower, more storage and RAM is consumed in exchange for no performance gain. I always find it amazing how many years ago a smartphone with only 512Mb of ram running Android 4.0 was as responsive as a actual device with 4GB running the latest version of Android.

And the huge code that contribues to this also creates a huge attack surface, so security is also compromised. But I guess people can't live without Google integration into everything, 'smart' homes, 'smart' cars and TikTok?

 

[R0H1T]

I always find it amazing how many years ago a smartphone with only 512Mb of ram running Android 4.0 was as responsive as a actual device with 4GB running the latest version of Android.

I don't remember the days of 512MB Android being snappy, the first smartphone we bought had a GB of memory, but you're clearly exaggerating! RAM is king in computing & there's no way a 512MB RAM device would be as responsive as 4GB one unless the later had a substantially slower processor &/or storage with just one application running on it.

 

[Bones]

Well, this might be our answer to that problem. Diamond battery - Wikipedia

Need a bank of these to power a few LED's.

Also;
Do they come with an insurance policy that covers the costs of incidents, including the cost of cleanup or paying for required regulatory changes to help ensure no nuclear accidents?
How about suprise visits from the IAEA?
Is there a way to lessen these occurences or at least a step-by-step guide on how to deal with them when they do show up on your doorstep in their protective suits?
And is a basic anti-nuclear meltdown kit included?

If none of the above applies I'll pass.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Guys claim a battery that doesn't need recharging, bruh. Did they invent perpetuum mobile while I was sleeping?

How would you charge it?
It's not a battery in the traditional sense and it'll run out of juice at some point in the distant future, but the theory has been proven to work.
They are on the other hand, useless for consumer applications, but could be used in things like ultra low-power sensors.

 

[R0H1T]

Need a bank of these to power a few LED's.

Also;
Do they come with an insurance policy that covers the costs of incidents, including the cost of cleanup or paying for required regulatory changes to help ensure no nuclear accidents?
How about suprise visits from the IAEA?
Is there a way to lessen these occurences or at least a step-by-step guide on how to deal with them when they do show up on your doorstep in their protective suits?
And is a basic anti-nuclear meltdown kit included?

If none of the above applies I'll pass.

 

[GiannisM]

Well, thats a good start

 

[zlobby]

How would you charge it?
It's not a battery in the traditional sense and it'll run out of juice at some point in the distant future, but the theory has been proven to work.
They are on the other hand, useless for consumer applications, but could be used in things like ultra low-power sensors.

Then perhaps don't advertise it as 'not needing to recharge'? I'm more against the marketing that doesn't reflect real-world physics than anything else. Research is more than welcome!

 

[TheLostSwede]

Then perhaps don't advertise it as 'not needing to recharge'? I'm more against the marketing that doesn't reflect real-world physics than anything else. Research is more than welcome!

This is another "battery" technology, or rather, energy storage technology. Not for consumer electronics either.

 

[Shou Miko]

Apple be like

 

[Totally]

I meant that we need batteries with greater energy density by volume and weight, not necessarily larger.

Li-S, For example:

"Li–S batteries offer specific energies on the order of 550 WH/kg while lithium-ion batteries are in the range of 150–260 Wh/kg."

With that density, you would have a battery of 10000Mha of weight and volume similar to current technology. Unfortunately, these things never seem to become commercially viable.

Yes the battery substrate may be more energy dense but the end result after complete packaging brings the same or worse results. Using Li-S batteries for example have durability and leakage issues so more has to go into packaging offsetting the benefits. So it being more energy dense is not a conclusive arguement.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Apple be like

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Actually, they're already doing a lot of the software related parts.
On the hardware side tough...

 

[mashie]

It is a shame they can't force the phone makers to provide software security updates for 5+ years. Lack of security updates kills a phone long before the battery.

 

[TheLostSwede]

It is a shame they can't force the phone makers to provide software security updates for 5+ years. Lack of security updates kills a phone long before the battery.

That's also part of the plan.

 

[Denver]

Yes the battery substrate may be more energy dense but the end result after complete packaging brings the same or worse results. Using Li-S batteries for example have durability and leakage issues so more has to go into packaging offsetting the benefits. So it being more energy dense is not a conclusive arguement.

Apparently, a German company (supposedly) has fixed all the weak points of this type of battery and is about to release something revolutionary that will debut in cars and smartphones next year. It looks amazing on paper...

"Targeted performances are:
Gravimetric energy density ≥ 1’000 Wh/kg (Gen 4)
Volumetric energy density ≥ 1’500 Wh/l
Power capability ≈ 12.000 W/kg
Cycle life ≥ 1’000 at 1 C
Operational temperature -20 °C to 60 °C
Production energy consumption from raw material to finished cell: 15 kWh el/1 kWh c"

Sulfur Battery Technology Could Make Electric Cars Go Three Times Further By 2024

What if your electric car could do 900 miles on a single charge? German battery startup Theion is promising technology that could deliver this possibility as soon as 2024.

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theion GmbH – batteries on lithium-sulfur basis

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www.theion.de

 

[Bones]

Well, thats a good start

With one hell of a finish I'm sure.

 

[Easo]

In before "BUT IT STIFLES PROGRESSS!!!111", just like with the charger law. And yes, this needs to be enforced, manufacturers won't do anything unless it brings money or is demanded by law.
A good step ahead (or back, depending how you look at things).

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Actually, they're already doing a lot of the software related parts.
On the hardware side tough...

I had a iphone 6 for years and when it died I went to get a new one, iphone13, I found out that
Apple had a program that will give you a free replacement just to get you off 3G service, I think military service was a part of that, IDK I was too excited to pay attention to that.

The battery life is about the same if not a tad better than the iphone6, not enough to notice right away.

 

[Minus Infinity]

How about a mandatory 4 years of OS updates and 5 years of security updates while we are at it. Stop friggin gluing batteries and cables in place too. so we can change our own batteries with ease like in the old days.

 

[zlobby]

I had a iphone 6 for years and when it died I went to get a new one, iphone13, I found out that
Apple had a program that will give you a free replacement just to get you off 3G service, I think military service was a part of that, IDK I was too excited to pay attention to that.

The battery life is about the same if not a tad better than the iphone6, not enough to notice right away.

3G service uses a precious RF spectrum. Operators need it for the much faster 4G/5G and stuff. However, they can't just switch 3G off because many phones still use it.

 

[lexluthermiester]

The issue is security updates, as that's where things falter.

How's that? If they extend support and refine both the update process and update schedules, there is no problem. Your statement presumes that older software can't be patched, which is silly.

One small problem:

Or did I wake up in another universe today?

Guys claim a battery that doesn't need recharging, bruh. Did they invent perpetuum mobile while I was sleeping?

No, your understanding of physics needs revision and your use of quotes and memes does too. As certain elements decay, they give off energy and it is possible to convert that energy into electrons.

If we look at mature manufacturers their battery cycle time is around 1000 already.

Only for premium model phones. Everything else gets batteries that are lucky if they get 600 charge/discharge cycles before degrading. Lets do the math there... average of one charge per day... 365 days in a year... Hmmm..

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

3G service uses a precious RF spectrum. Operators need it for the much faster 4G/5G and stuff. However, they can't just switch 3G off because many phones still use it.

All I know is Apple sent a letter about the 3G, no idea why.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Only for premium model phones. Everything else gets batteries that are lucky if they get 600 charge/discharge cycles before degrading. Lets do the math there... average of one charge per day... 365 days in a year.

It contradicts. Actually flagships are more abused and carry more current capable units and are more suspected to shorter life span due to temperature and current ie usage. Also the charging protocols are limited for entry phones, thus you charge it a more healthy speeds. But as I said, it doesn't matter much. They endure. The thing that changes is software bloat and usage patterns.

Manufacturer internal test programs target 1000 cycles as a norm for years. On practice it really matches the real life situation cycle count does not represent real ASOC status. Degradation happens only when the battery really is faulty from a bad batch. For example Sony does use one model of battery for their entire lineup for few years already, let it be entry level shit XQ-BT52 or flagship XQ-BC52 example. So what's so premium here? It ain't what it was a decade ago. Everything changed actually after the Note9 accidents, the race for energy density stopped after that as a side product life span has increased gradually.

As I said, mature phone makers already have all things covered. If you willing into invest into risk with some infant makers from PRC, that's your own bet and blame only yourselves, EU won't have any power over those as those will just turn to gray market, and those are a concern really.