Global Warming & Climate Change Discussion

[Recon-UK]

I like ice cream.

 

[dorsetknob]

congratulations
Recon-UK
you made the 1100 th Post
(if you use your mouse wheel to scroll the entire thread you have just used enough energy to raise global temps by 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% ( + or - 10% )

 

[Recon-UK]

Damn did not even notice and it had to be about ice cream o.0

 

[qubit]

Damn did not even notice and it had to be about ice cream o.0

Yes, shame on you!

 

[Rockarola]

I think market forces establish "what is needed" far better than mere opinion.

I'm more worried about growing and spreading political instability (US elections and political strife, China and Japan's economy collapsing, Brexit, growing Russian imperialism, North Korea building nuclear weapons, and so on) far more so than environmental change. Hell, I'm more concerned about the poaching of elephants than I am about average temperatures going up a few degrees.

The market forces decides what is "wanted", not what is needed...it's economics 101.
You seem like an intelligent person, so I'll choose to believe that you are being deliberately ignorant about the consequences of the average temperatures going up "a few degrees"...and I'll also assume that you live in a place that's at least 20m above current sea-level, otherwise you'll have to be one hell of a swimmer!

 

[FordGT90Concept]

http://e360.yale.edu/feature/rising_waters_how_fast_and_how_far_will_sea_levels_rise/2702/

The result was an estimate of sea level rise of 28 to 98 centimeters (a maximum of more than three feet) by 2100

2100-2013 = 87 years
28 / 87 = 0.29 cm/year
98 / 87 = 1.13 cm/year

0.29-1.13 cm/year by 2013 estimates

Actual?
https://sealevel.nasa.gov/

0.03 cm/year

I think we'll survive, don't you?

 

[magibeg]

http://e360.yale.edu/feature/rising_waters_how_fast_and_how_far_will_sea_levels_rise/2702/

2100-2013 = 87 years
28 / 87 = 0.29 cm/year
98 / 87 = 1.13 cm/year

0.29-1.13 cm/year by 2013 estimates

Actual?
https://sealevel.nasa.gov/

0.03 cm/year

I think we'll survive, don't you?

Not sure where you're getting the 0.03cm per year from. The site you linked says 3.4mm is the current rate, which is .34cm per year which puts you off by a factor of 10. So yea we're basically right in line with what is expected.

Actually some neat info on that website:

"This increases confidence that these models are reliable under present-day conditions, despite the fact that the models’ current rate of rise, 3.7 millimeters per year, is significantly higher than shown by observations. Since these coupled models do not include ice sheet instabilities, their projections very likely represent a “lower bound” for future sea level rise."

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I failed at metric conversion, big surprise there, being 'Merican and all.

Point is, it's at the bottom of the spectrum, not the top. People have plenty of time to adopt to the rising sea level. It's not suddenly going to rise a meter overnight.

As ice melts, it cools the oceans which, in turn, cools the atmosphere slowing the rate of rise.

 

[magibeg]

I failed at metric conversion, big surprise there, being 'Merican and all.

Point is, it's at the bottom of the spectrum, not the top. People have plenty of time to adopt to the rising sea level. It's not suddenly going to rise a meter overnight.

As ice melts, it cools the oceans which, in turn, cools the atmosphere slowing the rate of rise.

Unfortunately all of your assumptions here are effectively dead wrong.

The rate that the sea level is rising is accelerating, and the risk to large jumps due to ice shelf stability is ever more present. No one is claiming it'll suddenly make a large jump out of nowhere.

Interestingly enough when the ice melts it changes the earths albedo which is actually a positive feedback loop. I'm sure you know if I have a glass of water with an ice cube in it the overall temperature of the system is increasing as the ice melts.

 

[AphexDreamer]

I failed at metric conversion, big surprise there, being 'Merican and all.

Point is, it's at the bottom of the spectrum, not the top. People have plenty of time to adopt to the rising sea level. It's not suddenly going to rise a meter overnight.

As ice melts, it cools the oceans which, in turn, cools the atmosphere slowing the rate of rise.

To be more clear with the positive feedback loop when ice melts.

Ice helps reflect earth's rays back into space, as do clouds. Less ice or clouds means lowering albedo means less reflection means more abosorbtion. The ocean being dark in color then absorbs more heat, heating up the oceans faster, releasing more greenhouse gases and further contributing to the melting of ice...

 

[Caring1]

To be more clear with the positive feedback loop when ice melts.

Ice helps reflect earth's rays back into spsce...

????????

 

[AphexDreamer]

????????

Space typo or the reflection bit?

White surfaces reflect light as opposed to darker surface which absorb light.

 

[Caring1]

Space typo or the reflection bit?

White surfaces reflect light as opposed to darker surface which absorb light.

Yep, but reflects the Sun's rays back out, not the Earth's.

 

[magibeg]

Yep, but reflects the Sun's rays back out, not the Earth's.

Far as i'm concerned they're ours, we touched them last . Otherwise we'd never have any moonlight

 

[SK-1]

All the talk about the horrible Man Made Climate fuckup during the debate last night made me get a FEVER! Hot Topic!

 

[dorsetknob]

All the talk about the horrible Man Made Climate fuckup during the debate last night made me get a FEVER! Hot Topic!

"Snigger"
so much Hot air and Spewing of Green house Gas'es by want to be (President).s
Kyoto Protocol What happened there America
just like 2 world Wars your late for the Party and yes you got the Invite Early !!!!

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Rising sea levels are threatening the majority of NASA's launch pads and multi-billion dollar complexes famous for training astronauts and launching historic missions into space.

From Cape Canaveral in Florida to mission control in Houston, Texas, the US space agency is busily building seawalls where possible and moving some buildings further inland.

Five of the seven major NASA centers are located along the coast, because being close to the water is a logistical necessity for launching rockets and testing spacecraft.

Many NASA centers have already faced costly damage from encroaching water, coastal erosion and potent hurricanes.

The most iconic launchpad lies in Florida at the Kennedy Space Center, the liftoff point for the Apollo missions to the moon and many space shuttle flights over the past three decades.

'We are acutely aware that, in the long-term sense, the viability of our presence at Space Coast is in question,' said Kim Toufectis, a facilities planner in NASA's Office of Strategic Infrastructure to Gizmodo.

According to NASA's planning and development office, rising sea levels are the single largest threat to the Kennedy Space Center's continued operation

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Tops exploding rockets or terrorists tampering with their hydrogen storage tanks? Someone fell off their rocker.

That said, a "planning and development office" should consider the worst case scenario would considering new projects. Because sense.

 

[qubit]

@CAPSLOCKSTUCK That photo is amazing. Must be timelapse surely? Is that curved streak of light a rocket taking off? Can't quite work out what it is.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

@CAPSLOCKSTUCK That photo is amazing. Must be timelapse surely? Is that curved streak of light a rocket taking off? Can't quite work out what it is.

An Atlas V rocket lifting off from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station’s Launch Complex 41, illumining nearby Kennedy Space Center’s dune restoration site. Photo Courtesy Tony Gray/NASA

 

[magibeg]

Hopefully Cape Canaveral will do ok today. The eye wall is dangerously close to it....

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Time to move it inland if it isn't. XD

 

[dorsetknob]

Time to move it inland if it isn't.

More useful advice would be move to higher Ground ( much higher )

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Ffycin anhygoel
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=welsh+to+english

Wales is known for its spectacular mountain ranges and thousands of people set off to climb to their peaks every year.

But some could soon be booted off the list of mountains and be downgraded to hills.

This is due to rising sea levels, which could mean the mountains no longer measure 2,000ft (or 609.6m) above sea level - the height required to have the status of a mountain.

Two mountains at risk are Mynydd Graig Goch and Tal y Fan, in Snowdonia .

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welsh-mountains-could-soon-downgraded-12001774

 

[dorsetknob]

THE WELSH COULD TAKE A HIKE TO THOSE SUMMITS

and all could take a stone and also have a Dump at the Top that will raise the Summit height a few hundred feet
Oops that worked in the Film