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If I remember correctly you can own a gun in the UK it just depends on calibre and barrel length, nothing concealed I think a pistol needs a barrel length of atleast 12 inches or something.
 
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Did not know that. Thought UK banned personal firearms/hand guns.
There was an armistice years ago mainly because anyone could get a gun licence for a few quid down the post office before that kids could legally carry a shotgun at 16. They wanted tighter gun control so brought in a far more strict licencing system, with weird stipulations about barrel length and other things.
I don't know where the lie about the UK outright banning guns came from but even the majority of British people believe it so never look into guns for personal defence.
 

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There was an armistice years ago mainly because anyone could get a gun licence for a few quid down the post office before that kids could legally carry a shotgun at 16. They wanted tighter gun control so brought in a far more strict licencing system, with weird stipulations about barrel length and other things.
I don't know where the lie about the UK outright banning guns came from but even the majority of British people believe it so never look into guns for personal defence.
I think you've been away for a while. The police must vet every application for a firearm in the UK. There has to be a legitimate purpose to own a gun and checks are carried out. Farmers and rural folk can get shotgun licences for livestock control. But Joe public require good standing and reason to own what is legal to buy. There are always loopholes but it's far more controlled than you suggest.

Hell, a crossbow is classified as a firearm in the UK. Basically, you might be able to acquire a firearm but you're screwed if you don't have a license for it.

Edit. This is just a small portion of the law:

3.3 Those weapons and ammunition which are prohibited consist of:

i) any firearm which is so designed or adapted that two or more missiles can be successively discharged without repeated pressure on the trigger (section 5(1)(a));

Section 5(1)(a) includes weapons such as machine guns, sub-machine guns, chain guns and the so-called ‘burst-fire’ weapons in which several missiles (typically 3-5) are discharged in succession on a single application of the trigger. Case law also suggests that the courts should consider the actual operation of the firearm rather than the intent of the designers.
ii) any self-loading or pump-action rifled gun other than one which is chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges (section 5(1)(ab));

Section 5(1)(ab) includes carbines, which are included in the definition of a rifle in section 57(4) of the 1968 Act. Originally, a carbine was a short musket or rifle intended for use by mounted troops, but the term has come to mean any rifle with a short barrel.

Also caught in this category are the so-called ‘hybrid’ firearms such as the Colt Armalite AR-15 ‘pistol’. These weapons are self-loading versions of long arms made to operate in self-loading mode only and sold without a shoulder stock. The term ‘automatic’ is also sometimes incorrectly applied to self-loading pistols.

iii) any firearm which either has a barrel less than 30 centimetres in length or is less than 60 centimetres in length overall, other than an air weapon, a muzzle-loading gun or a firearm designed as signalling apparatus (section 5(1)(aba));

Section 5(1)(aba) affects small firearms that are easily concealed. Muzzle-loading firearms (including cap and ball revolvers) and flare pistols are excluded. It should be remembered that the 1997 Act did not ban pistols as such and was drafted in terms of small firearms. NB: section 5(1)(aba) includes ‘specially dangerous’ air pistols and ‘specially dangerous’ short air rifles.

..and it goes on.
 
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I think you've been away for a while. The police must vet every application for a firearm in the UK. There has to be a legitimate purpose to own a gun and checks are carried out. Farmers and rural folk can get shotgun licences for livestock control. But Joe public require good standing and reason to own what is legal to buy. There are always loopholes but it's far more controlled than you suggest.

Hell, a crossbow is classified as a firearm in the UK. Basically, you might be able to acquire a firearm but you're screwed if you don't have a license for it.

Edit. This is just a small portion of the law:

3.3 Those weapons and ammunition which are prohibited consist of:

i) any firearm which is so designed or adapted that two or more missiles can be successively discharged without repeated pressure on the trigger (section 5(1)(a));

Section 5(1)(a) includes weapons such as machine guns, sub-machine guns, chain guns and the so-called ‘burst-fire’ weapons in which several missiles (typically 3-5) are discharged in succession on a single application of the trigger. Case law also suggests that the courts should consider the actual operation of the firearm rather than the intent of the designers.
ii) any self-loading or pump-action rifled gun other than one which is chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges (section 5(1)(ab));

Section 5(1)(ab) includes carbines, which are included in the definition of a rifle in section 57(4) of the 1968 Act. Originally, a carbine was a short musket or rifle intended for use by mounted troops, but the term has come to mean any rifle with a short barrel.

Also caught in this category are the so-called ‘hybrid’ firearms such as the Colt Armalite AR-15 ‘pistol’. These weapons are self-loading versions of long arms made to operate in self-loading mode only and sold without a shoulder stock. The term ‘automatic’ is also sometimes incorrectly applied to self-loading pistols.

iii) any firearm which either has a barrel less than 30 centimetres in length or is less than 60 centimetres in length overall, other than an air weapon, a muzzle-loading gun or a firearm designed as signalling apparatus (section 5(1)(aba));

Section 5(1)(aba) affects small firearms that are easily concealed. Muzzle-loading firearms (including cap and ball revolvers) and flare pistols are excluded. It should be remembered that the 1997 Act did not ban pistols as such and was drafted in terms of small firearms. NB: section 5(1)(aba) includes ‘specially dangerous’ air pistols and ‘specially dangerous’ short air rifles.

..and it goes on.
The legitimate purpose being part of a shooting club the law might sound harsh but if you store a weapon properly and join a shooting club that's all there is too it, as long as the gun meets there strict criteria and your not a total fruitcake ( think you need a psych evaluation).
 
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People who have been gun club members and stored guns properly have gone nuts and killed multiple people in the UK, imo close the clubs and have no one but farmer piles with his 4-10 varmint gun have them.
 

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Yes but the prohibited weapons are still illegal. So single shot only. Certain other parameters, and as you say, adding a psych eval makes it less straight forward to legally own a firearm.
 
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People who have been gun club members and stored guns properly have gone nuts and killed multiple people in the UK, imo close the clubs and have no one but farmer piles with his 4-10 varmint gun have them.
Considering the majority of MP's goto said gun clubs the likelihood of that is slim.

Yes but the prohibited weapons are still illegal. So single shot only. Certain other parameters, and as you say, adding a psych eval makes it less straight forward to legally own a firearm.
Don't get me wrong it's still far harder to own a gun in the UK compared to say the US which is obviously a good thing. I'm just trying to point out, the belief that guns are outright banned in the UK as many believe, is a lie.
 
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Don't get me wrong it's still far harder to own a gun in the UK compared to say the US which is obviously a good thing.
Ridiculously harder. For example, where I live, I can legally buy and own a 50cal sniper rifle, fully suppressed and a number of handguns. That list rounds out my gun safe contents. We can lawfully conceal-carry(and I often do) without the need of a license and we have stand-our-ground laws. Since those restrictions were removed the amount of serious crimes, and specifically gun crimes, have dropped like a stone. The fact that the general public can carry and everyone knows it is a very excellent deterrent for a great many potential criminals. If would-be criminals know it is very likely for them to be shot/killed for even attempting a crime, they don't try. Training and arming the public has been an exceptionally effective crime deterrent. There are many parts of the rest of the nation are following suit because it works. The UK has yet to figure this out.
 
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The UK is the country where you have to be at least 18 to buy plastic cutlery, while condoms are sold to anyone.
 
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I don't think the UK has the mentality for anyone carrying a concealed pistol.
 

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The UK is the country where you have to be at least 18 to buy plastic cutlery, while condoms are sold to anyone.

What's your point? I'm not sure about your plastic cutlery comment but at least having condoms stops unwanted pregnancy.

And in the absence of guns, knives are our lethal alternative.
 
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What's your point? I'm not sure about your plastic cutlery comment but at least having condoms stops unwanted pregnancy.

And in the absence of guns, knives are our lethal alternative.
Well, I find it difficult to think about plastic knives being used as weapons. I can't in my wildest dreams imagine why they are age restricted. I remember having them at birthday parties when I was 4.

Condoms on the other hand, are useless below a certain age. Although, when I look at 20 year-olds with 2-3 children already, I guess selling them freely actually makes some sense. :ohwell:
 
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And in the absence of guns, knives are our lethal alternative.
So is a hammer, a screwdriver, a cricket bat and any other manner of everyday items. As it has always been, the weapons are not the problem, the disturbed people using them are.
Which in recent times have been proven to be very lethal indeed.
Exactly. Take away one form of weapon and the deranged among us will fashion others.

Weapons control is not the correct solution, never has been and never will be. Deterrence IS the correct solution. And where I live, it is proving to be VERY effective. Not perfect, but effective. Perfection is an illusion.
 

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Weapons control is not the correct solution, never has been and never will be. Deterrence IS the correct solution. And where I live, it is proving to be VERY effective. Not perfect, but effective. Perfection is an illusion.

The knee-jerk reaction (from a UK standpoint) is to disagree but to be honest, what you say isn't without merit. However, bad folk will always be bad, and killers will always kill so access to weapons that can kill many in a short space doesn't seem right. Double however, as the 9/11 hijackers, or any car terror attack has shown, even vehicles can be used too.

If I lived in the continental states, I'd have a gun for sure. That might surprise some folks here. I've also got extreme views on violent offenders , so probably better I don't have one.
 
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I dislike that some people including the pieces of shit that killed Lee Rigby, continues to breathe and even has the government of the soldier they killed pay for them to still live. If i'd have been in charge they would have been kicked to death by Lee Rigbys squad mates.
 
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So is a hammer, a screwdriver, a cricket bat and any other manner of everyday items. As it has always been, the weapons are not the problem, the disturbed people using them are.

Exactly. Take away one form of weapon and the deranged among us will fashion others.

Weapons control is not the correct solution, never has been and never will be. Deterrence IS the correct solution. And where I live, it is proving to be VERY effective. Not perfect, but effective. Perfection is an illusion.
I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, it's the European way to not educate people, but instead ban everything and live in a nanny state where you can't even fart without the ignorant plebs policing your every action.

Oh, I feel you. I have an especially unpleasant opinion of people who harm children, something along the lines of "They do not deserve to continue breathing!".
I also have that unpleasant opinion on rapists.
 
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Unfortunately, it's the European way to not educate people, but instead ban everything and live in a nanny state where you can't even fart without the ignorant plebs policing your every action.
Deliberate ignorance and imposed stupidity... Now where have we seen that before...
 
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