Thermal limit throttling for no reason

[marthenzz]

Hi guys, i have an notebook, (g531gv, rtx 2060) and its keep thermal throttling for no reason, after reach 76 ( first time 77 ) C, gpuz, and asus gpu tweak says i have 87C temp limit but it just not true, i tryed, reinstall my windows, upgrade, downgrade my bios, upgrade vbios, nothing helped. (my cpu not thorttling at all) , The way i currently fixed it is : setting up afterburner, at the lowest voltage, so its not reach more than 72C now, and i can use my laptop, but i lost a realy noticable of fps. Please help me

 

[elghinnarisa]

Are you sure its actually thermal throttling and not just thermal as the limiting reason?
One will bring it below base clocks, the other prevent it from reaching higher boost clocks.

 

[marthenzz]

Ig im sure about it, like when i hit 76C, my fps (in witcher 3) from 70-80 ( modded ) goes down to 7-15, and its on any game, and my clock speed, goes down around 700mhz, from 1600+ , and the video card usage, is go a bit downer, and after the thermal went down a bit like around, 70C, my fps and clock speed come back.

 

[eidairaman1]

That mobile more like a notebook than a laptop, way too thin. Contact Asus and clean the fans

Those units always throttle in thermals because those tiny ass fans can't move enough air through the heatsinks. Idk if throttlestop can help set the fans to 80-100% but ask unclewebb

 

[AusWolf]

Can you post a screenshot of GPU-Z's Sensor tab during one of these slowdowns?

Also, are you talking about GPU temperatures? What is your max CPU temperature?

 

[marthenzz]

here is come pic, when everything running normal, the big fps drops, and my fps come back, and sorry guys i dont mentioned but i talk about my gpu, not cpu.
My cpu at heavy gaming, is around 80-85C max, but its fine ( i mean, at summer i have it some times around 90-92C, and still running fine,), thanks for you replys guys

That mobile more like a notebook than a laptop, way too thin. Contact Asus and clean the fans

Those units always throttle in thermals because those tiny ass fans can't move enough air through the heatsinks. Idk if throttlestop can help set the fans to 80-100% but ask unclewebb

Already a cleaned, repasted notebook.

 

[AusWolf]

here is come pic, when everything running normal, the big fps drops, and my fps come back, and sorry guys i dont mentioned but i talk about my gpu, not cpu.
My cpu at heavy gaming, is around 80-85C max, but its fine ( i mean, at summer i have it some times around 90-92C, and still running fine,), thanks for you replys guys


Already a cleaned, repasted notebook.

GPU-Z shows a power limit, which means your GPU is not thermal throttling. I see it switches into no limit (idle) and drops its clocks for no reason when the fps drop occurs while the CPU temperature stays the same. I'm suspecting that some background program is eating your CPU resources and chokes it from computing game assets.

What I would do next is monitor running programs by CPU usage, and see if something spikes up. If you have a second screen, then it's easy, or you can run the game in windowed mode as well. I wouldn't be surprised if some factory installed app was behind this.

 

[eidairaman1]

GPU-Z shows a power limit, which means your GPU is not thermal throttling. I see it switches into no limit (idle) and drops its clocks for no reason when the fps drop occurs while the CPU temperature stays the same. I'm suspecting that some background program is eating your CPU resources and chokes it from computing game assets.

What I would do next is monitor running programs by CPU usage, and see if something spikes up. If you have a second screen, then it's easy, or you can run the game in windowed mode as well. I wouldn't be surprised if some factory installed app was behind this.

Probably some trojan coin miner.
I'd wipe the drive and start over

 

[marthenzz]

GPU-Z shows a power limit, which means your GPU is not thermal throttling. I see it switches into no limit (idle) and drops its clocks for no reason when the fps drop occurs while the CPU temperature stays the same. I'm suspecting that some background program is eating your CPU resources and chokes it from computing game assets.

What I would do next is monitor running programs by CPU usage, and see if something spikes up. If you have a second screen, then it's easy, or you can run the game in windowed mode as well. I wouldn't be surprised if some factory installed app was behind this.

I watched it now for more than 8 min, and zero cpu or gpu spikes in usage while the drop comes, and its still only hit when i reach 76C, not before or notafter, and if i lock my voltage+hz in the lowest possible value from afterburner,(my gpu cant hit the 76C) and the problem goes away with my fps D: im so glad for your help guys, i hope we can fix it some howe.

Probably some trojan coin miner.
I'd wipe the drive and start over

I already, reinstalled my computer, with a full formated drive, but a the problem still here

 

[elghinnarisa]

I already, reinstalled my computer, with a full formated drive, but a the problem still here

What did you install after said cleanout? As in, what drivers? Asus bloatware or the like? My sister has a Asus G17 and oh mama, the bloat is bloating on that thing.
Or you know the driver booster you have installed which I would throw in closer to malware than anything else. Not to mention the companies history of rather shady business, theft and other funny things. There is also evidence that driver booster has been malicious in the past, with false positives and made-up nonsense problems to get you to pay. So you know, flamethrower and Hanz and all that.

 

[marthenzz]

What did you install after said cleanout? As in, what drivers? Asus bloatware or the like? My sister has a Asus G17 and oh mama, the bloat is bloating on that thing.
Or you know the driver booster you have installed which I would throw in closer to malware than anything else. Not to mention the companies history of rather shady business, theft and other funny things. There is also evidence that driver booster has been malicious in the past, with false positives and made-up nonsense problems to get you to pay. So you know, flamethrower and Hanz and all that.

Acctualy i used driver booster for install my drivers, for make the process faster, but now ig i have to reinstall my whole pc again, with out driver booster,? :/ But good to know this information about db. But guys, then can you help me for, where or how can i download all of the drivers that my computer need,? Like i mean db, download around 140+ drivers, be honest at this point, ig its a huge problem,( i mean, im 140+ drivers, look bit much for me )

 

[dnm_TX]

I watched it now for more than 8 min, and zero cpu or gpu spikes in usage while the drop comes, and its still only hit when i reach 76C, not before or notafter, and if i lock my voltage+hz in the lowest possible value from afterburner,(my gpu cant hit the 76C) and the problem goes away with my fps D: im so glad for your help guys, i hope we can fix it some howe.


I already, reinstalled my computer, with a full formated drive, but a the problem still here

@Marthenz i have similiar laptop with the same GPU and if you look in GPU-Z -> Advanced (bottom) there is a Temperature Limit and you'll see Minimum Temperature,which is 75 °C and that's when it starts throttling and the worst part is that those temps are not adjustable. Nothing you can do about it,i tried. It's baked in the vBIOS by ASUS due to the cooling on those laptops is not capable to handle it. Let's hope,in the near feature somebody to come up with a way one to be able to thinker with the vBIOS. Hope this helps

 

[marthenzz]

Its helped a lot, and ig its gonna by a dumb idea so let me know if it a real dumb idea but, what i flesh another type of VBios, to my graphics card,? ig i not be able to do it cus it will brake my computer, but i dont know about this, but i really want to fix this issue cus its a huge problem for me D: but one things that i dont understand is, in the past this issue is not exist, like its come out somewhere, in this summer, but i dont remember that i updated anything before this issue so idk. :/ Im not happy with the resoult

 

[eidairaman1]

@Marthenz i have similiar laptop with the same GPU and if you look in GPU-Z -> Advanced (bottom) there is a Temperature Limit and you'll see Minimum Temperature,which is 75 °C and that's when it starts throttling and the worst part is that those temps are not adjustable. Nothing you can do about it,i tried. It's baked in the vBIOS by ASUS due to the cooling on those laptops is not capable to handle it. Let's hope,in the near feature somebody to come up with a way one to be able to thinker with the vBIOS. Hope this helps

Its helped a lot, and ig its gonna by a dumb idea so let me know if it a real dumb idea but, what i flesh another type of VBios, to my graphics card,? ig i not be able to do it cus it will brake my computer, but i dont know about this, but i really want to fix this issue cus its a huge problem for me D: but one things that i dont understand is, in the past this issue is not exist, like its come out somewhere, in this summer, but i dont remember that i updated anything before this issue so idk. :/ Im not happy with the resoult

No do not screw with bios flashing these laptops, sell them and get a Sager or Eurocom

@Marthenz i have similiar laptop with the same GPU and if you look in GPU-Z -> Advanced (bottom) there is a Temperature Limit and you'll see Minimum Temperature,which is 75 °C and that's when it starts throttling and the worst part is that those temps are not adjustable. Nothing you can do about it,i tried. It's baked in the vBIOS by ASUS due to the cooling on those laptops is not capable to handle it. Let's hope,in the near feature somebody to come up with a way one to be able to thinker with the vBIOS. Hope this helps

All of todays mobiles have hard limits, its due to them being notebooks and not a true laptop.

Go Look at a Dell Inspiron 9100/XPS Gen 1, its thick and heavy but never throttled due to plenty of cooling, and it either had a prescott 3.4 or Gallatin 3.2 CPU with a Radeon 9700 or 9800 256 GPU.

I even had the GPU overclocked.

 

[dnm_TX]

Its helped a lot, and ig its gonna by a dumb idea so let me know if it a real dumb idea but, what i flesh another type of VBios, to my graphics card,? ig i not be able to do it cus it will brake my computer, but i dont know about this, but i really want to fix this issue cus its a huge problem for me D: but one things that i dont understand is, in the past this issue is not exist, like its come out somewhere, in this summer, but i dont remember that i updated anything before this issue so idk. :/ Im not happy with the resoult

All Mobile RTX 2060 has the same min temp. limit. I was just actually looking to find a post in forum.developer.nvidia.com from a pissed off developer there with the same issues,but under Linux and different laptop. Just for reference so you can see but i couldn't find it.
Loading vBIOS from a different laptop could brick yours or at the minimum some of the ports(like the USB-C for the external monitor) would not work and i personally would not risk it. My two cents,the rest is up to you,of course

P.S. You mentioned that you repaste it already(din't post any details though) so let me ask. Did you get rid of that blue goo and used proper thermal pads? Just by doing that could bring the temperature 4-5 °C lower.

 

[marthenzz]

hmmmm, be honest, i dont even saw any blue goo D: , i just simply repaste it, and cleaned out normally, but ig i have to buy some thermal pads too , but where should i use that thermal pads,? sorry if its a
dumb question And i already found a new problem, that one of my screw got rounded, from the screws that holding the thermal pads to the video card, so first of all i had to figure out how to remove this screw :/ problems after problems
( and ye, i flashed another 2 vbios for my laptop, and non of worked all of this have the 75C min limit, so i just flashed back my default one :c )

 

[dnm_TX]

@Marthenz ASUS started to use that blue goo instead of thermal pads on the VRR/VRM's at some point,so i'm not even sure that yours has it. It's called K5 Pro and it's bad and hard to remove BUT it has nothing to do with your GPU or CPU !!!!
Do some research first,try not to mess up your cooling. There should be posts on reddit and probably pictures about it. Just Google: "ASUS G15 thermal pads replacement reddit" or something.

You're licky guy that nothing happened when flashing those vBIOS'es. I personally would try to improve the cooling and not risk bricking my lappy.

 

[marthenzz]

Alright, then thank you guys for the help i really appreciate it, all of you helped me a lot. Im a bit sad, that it cant be fixed, idk how dare they are to do a laptop that acctualy cant run normally with out tweaking some shit in other programs, for technically downgrade your performance but its fine, ig i never buy a gaming notebook again Soye, thank you guys for the help

 

[eidairaman1]

Alright, then thank you guys for the help i really appreciate it, all of you helped me a lot. Im a bit sad, that it cant be fixed, idk how dare they are to do a laptop that acctualy cant run normally with out tweaking some shit in other programs, for technically downgrade your performance but its fine, ig i never buy a gaming notebook again Soye, thank you guys for the help

Dude, about 95% mobiles are notebooks (Thin) like yours, if you want a true gaming mobile, buy a Laptop(Thick) by Sager or Eurocom.

Notebooks will throttle.

 

[dnm_TX]

@Marthenz here you go. Found it,finally:

Nvidia-smi -gtt option since 460.27 causes major performance issues on laptops

The value of -gtt option of nvidia-smi defaults at 75C and it’s not mutable for most laptop GPUs. Most laptop GPUs are designed to be run at higher than 75C for the preset fan profile, causing laptops to be running in their lowest power state most of the time. I’ve tried all versions of stable...

forums.developer.nvidia.com

Read it all,same problems even though on different OS and laptop. The conclusion is,it's all in the vBIOS,locked and untouchable.

 

[marthenzz]

@Marthenz here you go. Found it,finally:

Nvidia-smi -gtt option since 460.27 causes major performance issues on laptops

The value of -gtt option of nvidia-smi defaults at 75C and it’s not mutable for most laptop GPUs. Most laptop GPUs are designed to be run at higher than 75C for the preset fan profile, causing laptops to be running in their lowest power state most of the time. I’ve tried all versions of stable...

forums.developer.nvidia.com

Read it all,same problems even though on different OS and laptop. The conclusion is,it's all in the vBIOS,locked and untouchable.

Thank you, i read it, and to be honest, its kinda realy sad to me :/ I hope nvidia in the feature do something about this, cus its a joke

 

[dnm_TX]

@Marthenz....BLUE GOOOOOO :

 

[eidairaman1]

Thank you, i read it, and to be honest, its kinda realy sad to me :/ I hope nvidia in the feature do something about this, cus its a joke

They wont, also blame the mobile maker for making weakass notebooks and not a true laptop