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The other day i was replacing my stock thermal paste and i think i overtightend my heatsink cuz when i went to fire it up nothing and my ez debug light was on cpu. So i shut down took everything off and my cpu had burn marks on the pins......so i ordered and new cpu which will be here soon but on closer inspection took my backplate off the mobo and noticed a burn mark on it and a little one on the back of the cpu socket.....the main ques is will i fry my new cpu if i put it in not knowing if my mobo is toast....it will fire up with no cpu in it and it works but of course no cpu
Specs Msi b450 tomahawk AMD 2600
 
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Motherboard sounds toasted, I wouldn't risk a new CPU in it.
The real question is, what caused it, over tightening shouldn't cause a short.
 

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Motherboard sounds toasted, I wouldn't risk a new CPU in it.
The real question is, what caused it, over tightening shouldn't cause a short.
Pretty sure the heatsink backplate touched the back of the mobo there is a burn mark in it....i will try to get a picture on here
 
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Pictures would be helpful
 

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Ooo... looks like the edge of the opening in the backplate caught something. I didn't know that could even happen! It shouldn't be possible to align it that way. Safe to say that from that picture, the mobo is at least cooked.

I would absolutely not drop a brand new CPU in that board. Old one's probably cooked, too, though even if it wasn't, doubt it'd be worth possibly sacrificing another board to find out... even though chances are good a fried cpu simply won't work. Maybe if you could find a dirt cheap used A320 to drop it in.
 
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Definitely fried, was a conductive paste used on the Processor, that may have dropped in to the socket?
 

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Yeah, that's most likely toast.
 

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no it was not conductive....sucks tho cuz the mobo will power up just id imagine the cpu socket is toast
 

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If it makes you feel better I killed two boards in the last month. One was completely my bad and smelled like it.
 
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no it was not conductive....sucks tho cuz the mobo will power up just id imagine the cpu socket is toast
Oh yeah, I can assure you the board is toast indeed with that.
As others have suggested don't even think about trying the new chip in it, get another board and go with that.
 

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well just ordered a new mobo....sighhhhhhh

i shouldnt have to do a fresh install of windows right should be able to plug my ssd and boot up???
 
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If it's the same board model it will still have to reinstall drivers but you probrably won't need the disk since those drivers would already be on the drive itself.
If it's a different board make/model you'll definitely be reinstalling drivers as before.
 
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well just ordered a new mobo....sighhhhhhh

i shouldnt have to do a fresh install of windows right should be able to plug my ssd and boot up???
Windows might need a new key to activate as it is tied to the BIOS.
 

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If it's the same board model it will still have to reinstall drivers but you probrably won't need the disk since those drivers would already be on the drive itself.
If it's a different board make/model you'll definitely be reinstalling drivers as before.
old mobo was a msi b450 tomahawk new one is same brand but b450 gaming plus everything is basicly the same just different color scheme
 

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old mobo was a msi b450 tomahawk new one is same brand but b450 gaming plus everything is basicly the same just different color scheme
Will probrably be fine from a drivers point of view but I believe Caring1 is right, you'll probrably have to reactivate the install.
 

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Will probrably be fine from a drivers point of view but I believe Caring1 is right, you'll probrably have to reactivate the install.
I was reading up on this and since a new win update and my computer was going like 3 days ago that if u were signed into ur micrsoft account which i was that u can reactivate
 
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Problem solved. The Op just ordered new mobo.
Nothing to say. But I would love to help if you brave enough using soldering iron and multi tester.
 
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Not sure how you can over-tighten a heatsink. I certainly have not worked with every one out there but all that I have just won't let you over-tighten them. You can crush the motherboard mounting the back plate, but mounting the cooler bracket to that typically uses screws with built-in stops just to prevent crushing the CPU or its socket - again that's with the coolers I've seen. This assumes the CPU is sitting and cradled completely and properly in its socket before clamping it in and mounting the cooler's bracket. It also assumes the screws are tightened a little bit at a time (if not the 1/4 turn type) using the cross-diagonal method and not just in a circle.

Am I missing something here?

The use of conductive (or capacitive) TIM (thermal interface material) is not a problem AS LONG AS none of the TIM gets on the pins or pads. That simply requires a steady hand during application and, of course, using as little TIM as possible - so it is not squished out over the edges when pressure is applied - while still ensuring full coverage over the die.

The back plate touching something should not happen either - if properly mounted - unless you have some oddball proprietary case. But you said you were "replacing" the TIM so I am assuming that is the same cooler assembly as before and its back plate had already been installed before. So I don't see how it could have touched anything - again if properly mounted. I have had cases where access to the back of the motherboard was tight so mounting the back plate with the motherboard outside the case was necessary. But once mounted, the clearances around the plate were fine and nothing could touch anything else once the board was re-mounted in the case.

So I am confused about that too.

Did you unplug the computer from the wall before starting this to ensure the +5Vsb standby voltage was removed too? Did you observe proper ESD precautions when handling or even coming near the CPU and its socket with your fingers?

It seems to me if you were just replacing the TIM, there would have been no need to remove the motherboard or loosen the back plate assembly - again, unless I'm missing something and desperately need another cup of coffee.
Problem solved. The Op just ordered new mobo.
Not sure I would have that sort of confidence to declare the problem solved. There clearly was some excessive current flowing where it shouldn't have been. How do we know the CPU was not zapped? How do we know a zapped CPU won't zap the new motherboard?

I'm seeing too many unanswered questions. :confused:

I would be making backups of my data while waiting for the new board to arrive.
 

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I would definitly put black tape on the case/backplate or cut a piece of non conductive foam.

That was a severe trace arching burn
 
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Most likely the line shown in the backplate's plastic was due to the heat-flash of the circuit itself frying which (If so) does indicate just how hot it got and how quickly - Like a welding arc.

Just be careful this time coming up and as for the amount of TIM used on the chip, a drop roughly the size of a pea is all you'd need.
This way you get enough without any squishing over and out.
 

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Most likely the line shown in the backplate's plastic was due to the heat-flash of the circuit itself frying which (If so) does indicate just how hot it got and how quickly - Like a welding arc.

Just be careful this time coming up and as for the amount of TIM used on the chip, a drop roughly the size of a pea is all you'd need.
This way you get enough without any squishing over and out.

People need to learn by reading directions. Compound dependent ive found pea size to be too big at times. My preference is spreading lol. Now if it was basic machines the pea method is fine.
 
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I would definitly put black tape on the case/backplate or cut a piece of non conductive foam.
I think the tape is a great idea. Not sure about foam as it may block some desired air flow.
Most likely the line shown in the backplate's plastic was due to the heat-flash of the circuit itself frying which (If so) does indicate just how hot it got and how quickly - Like a welding arc.
If so, there must have been a lot of current (assuming a constant maximum voltage of 12V from the PSU). Not good.
Compound dependent ive found pea size to be too big at times. My preference is spreading lol.
Mine too. It is easy to add a little more if spreading does not provide full coverage. But if you apply too much, you have to start all over with a proper cleaning and a new dab of TIM.

Besides, how big is a pea? There are dozens of pea varieties, some as small as a BB pellet. Some nearly 1/2 in diameter. That size descriptor is about as useful as saying to apply a dab the size of a grain of rice. :kookoo:

So how do know how much to apply? Practice and experience.
 
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