Top Intel Core Ultra 9 "Arrow Lake-S" Part Boost Clocks Surface

[Eskimonster]

When i think of 13-14 gen, red flags clutters my vision. I need to see they improved b4 i exit Zen Garden.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

When i think of 13-14 gen, red flags clutters my vision. I need to see they improved b4 i exit Zen Garden.

Regardless of what platform you prefer everybody needs Arrow Lake to be good and a generational improvement, after Zen5 AMD really needs a fire lit under their @$$ and competition almost always benefits the consumer.

 

[GhostRyder]

I honestly don't care about TDP at all unless it will overwhelm my AIO. The math / cost of that just doesn't add up to squat.

I'm interested in this platform as a possible upgrade later this year.

For me since Zen 5 wound up being a nothingburger, its main competition is the 14700K which is a quick easy $350 plug in upgrade. I don't think +5% single and +10% multi will be worth a $200 motherboard upgrade and all the hassle that goes with that (drivers, maybe need to re-install Windows and so on), unless there's something else there.

I agree and that was what I was getting at. Previous generations have been much harder to keep cool if you let them open up their performance. I am curious if it will be easier to handle this round.

 

[docnorth]

It's on a bunch of nodes. It's clear as mud exactly what part is on what node. To make it worse - some have said midrange and upper range parts could have some tiles on a different node than lower end parts.



I mean that a higher IPC part, with higher clock, will run through the cache quicker than a lower IPC lower clock part. These components have to be in balance, a high clock/high ipc part will just wind up idling while waiting for cache.

It remains to be seen if they achieve a good balance there with the E-cores, IPC increase or not.



And, it'll run through cache quicker.



Maybe not, but Tom's is reporting that the Ultra 7 265KF (I see this as the 14600K replacement) outpaced the 14900K in single thread by 4%, and the 14700K by 7% while tying the 14700K in multi-thread.

There should be an Ultra 9 275 and Ultra 9 285K above the 265K in the Arrow Lake lineup.

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Mostly agree, but 265K looks more like the 14700K successor and 275 non-K like 14900 non-K. Still if those chips achieve a (>)7% uplift on single core and probably higher(?) on multi core with significantly improved efficiency, it can be a success. Of course we don’t know what the x3d chips from AMD will deliver.

 

[phints]

Hating their new nomenclature, but Core 7 Ultra 265K is sounding interesting to me. Don't care about clock/cache rumors since this cannot be translated to their new architecture in terms of IPC yet (no official benchmarks)... But if Intel can reign in voltages/power consumption and release in a reasonable timeframe I'd be interested.

 

[docnorth]

Regardless of what platform you prefer everybody needs Arrow Lake to be good and a generational improvement, after Zen5 AMD really needs a fire lit under their @$$ and competition almost always benefits the consumer.

It looks like Arrow Lake can put pressure on AMD to release the x3d versions soon(er). We’ll know anyway after a couple of months .

 

[N/A]

Ok so 14% IPC is claimed, but boost clocks seems to be a decent chunk lower than the 14900KS. Maybe I am misreading the plan with these chips.

With a new base profile and microcode 14900KS 253W @ 4.7 GHz allP. Stock 5.9 GHz is now considered an extreme overclock. Not fair.

 

[Hardware1906]

Regardless of what platform you prefer everybody needs Arrow Lake to be good and a generational improvement, after Zen5 AMD really needs a fire lit under their @$$ and competition almost always benefits the consumer.

Zen 5 Laptop is actually good, desktop is
the Ryzen 9000X3D must be very good to save Zen 5 reputation

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Zen 5 Laptop is actually good, desktop is
the Ryzen 9000X3D must be very good to save Zen 5 reputation

Yeah I know laptop is solid but that's mostly because meteor lake was meh.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Good point, its not as much but it is a drop. I just wonder how in the real world it will all play out as these chips with these big changes.

I mean that is interesting if its all true. I think the TDP is interesting on some of them, but I am curious how that translates under load.

According to Intel 100W less peak power under load.

 

[Dr. Dro]

This sounds like the marketing for the MSI Claw.

You're right, they should take a page from AMD's playbook and engage in deceptive marketing by lying to customers about what their chips can do. After all, it's not like Intel has any reputation left to upkeep, might as well start doing what people have been accusing them of doing all this time. In fact, they should claim that these are faster than AMD's chips by benchmarking them on the Arc A380, just like AMD did with the RX 6600. Just claim it's like one percent faster in Fortnite or something.

According to Intel 100W less peak power under load.

I wonder how much of that is due to the new node and how much of that is due to axing hyperthreading support. The power and heat impact it has on Raptor Lake is extreme.

But is it going to be safe from degradation? I have doubts of these being reliable as there is a rumor of the temp limit being increased to 115C.

Tjmax is already 115°C on Raptor Lake. It's just that no motherboard manufacturer ships it that high by default.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

You're right, they should take a page from AMD's playbook and engage in deceptive marketing by lying to customers about what their chips can do. After all, it's not like Intel has any reputation left to upkeep, might as well start doing what people have been accusing them of doing all this time. In fact, they should claim that these are faster than AMD's chips by benchmarking them on the Arc A380, just like AMD did with the RX 6600. Just claim it's like one percent faster in Fortnite or something.

What makes it worse is they didn't need to everyone knows how Zen 3 performs smh.

I still remember when Intel hired that random company to do early benchmarks and they crippled ryzen on purpose. Thankfully GN blew that all up lol.....

These companies man.....

 

[AusWolf]

I can't follow all these lakes, honestly.

Although, a reduction of clocks compared to 14th gen is a welcome feature considering the recent fiasco around stability issues.

Edit: typo

 

[Kapone33]

You're right, they should take a page from AMD's playbook and engage in deceptive marketing by lying to customers about what their chips can do. After all, it's not like Intel has any reputation left to upkeep, might as well start doing what people have been accusing them of doing all this time. In fact, they should claim that these are faster than AMD's chips by benchmarking them on the Arc A380, just like AMD did with the RX 6600. Just claim it's like one percent faster in Fortnite or something.

I don't know why you always try whataboutism. The fact is the Claw was marketed as being better than the Ally in some respects and just as good in every thing else. They even marketed the IGPU like it could compete. Reviews showed the truth. Now you show a video talking about 13th Gen CPUs from a channel that does not even recommend those chips at the moment. You act like Intel has not been guilty of that type of marketing before. One of the worst things about the debacle is indeed Intel's very response but you can go on with that lean. Just like how you can write paragraphs of theory on why a CPU you have never used is "Absolute garbage" in your eyes. While Intel almost caused a run on the market when their stock price dropped over 25% the other day.

Now we are being told that no HT and E core complex will result in a faster chip.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I don't know why you always try whataboutism. The fact is the Claw was marketed as being better than the Ally in some respects and just as good in every thing else. They even marketed the IGPU like it could compete. Reviews showed the truth. Now you show a video talking about 13th Gen CPUs from a channel that does not even recommend those chips at the moment. You act like Intel has not been guilty of that type of marketing before. One of the worst things about the debacle is indeed Intel's very response but you can go on with that lean. Just like how you can write paragraphs of theory on why a CPU you have never used is "Absolute garbage" in your eyes. While Intel almost caused a run on the market when their stock price dropped over 25% the other day.

Now we are being told that no HT and E core complex will result in a faster chip.

You should be happy man, Zen 5 did the impossible it actually made the 7900X3D look good..... Both the Ally and the Claw kinda suck so it really doesn't matter which one is better.... What's the point of a handheld if it dies after 1-3 hours of use lol.....

 

[_roman_]

Remember boys and girls do not rush and buy these things when they release,let time pass who knows you might avoid the fiasco like with the 13-14gen

some Issues will always be in the product in my point of view.

I had my share of Issues with the Ryzen 5000 and 7000er Series, AMD Radeon 6000 and 7000er Series. Although I bought it very late.

Those websites hardly write anything about the "user experience" after 24 months (ryzen 5000) or after 12 months (ryzen 7000). For example what are the Known issues of processor, graphic card, mainboard after 12 or 24 month after a release. In windows 11 pro or from the power user linux perspective. (I do not want to see anything from a user who does not compile his own stuff and his own kernel and userspace)

I'm kinda gifted in buying mainboards, graphic cards, power supplies, network interface cards and processors with hidden flaws.

 

[N/A]

It's worth waiting for nova lake now, but no need to wait another 24 months on top of that.
If you see something like 1.55V, that chip is going to die. 1.35V is already walking on thin ice and they should know better.

 

[AusWolf]

some Issues will always be in the product in my point of view.

I had my share of Issues with the Ryzen 5000 and 7000er Series, AMD Radeon 6000 and 7000er Series. Although I bought it very late.

Those websites hardly write anything about the "user experience" after 24 months (ryzen 5000) or after 12 months (ryzen 7000). For example what are the Known issues of processor, graphic card, mainboard after 12 or 24 month after a release. In windows 11 pro or from the power user linux perspective. (I do not want to see anything from a user who does not compile his own stuff and his own kernel and userspace)

I'm kinda gifted in buying mainboards, graphic cards, power supplies, network interface cards and processors with hidden flaws.

What issues did you get 12-24 month after release with Ryzen 5000-7000 and Radeon 6000-7000 that you didn't get right after buying the product? I'm curious.

 

[ARF]

Lineup is up, release scheduled for October 10th.

 

[Crackong]

Hang on....

 

[RandallFlagg]

Oof! Looks like ARL 285K is hitting +12% ST and +10% MT vs 14900K.

Intel Core Ultra 9 285K "Arrow Lake" CPU Blazes Past Core i9-14900KS & Ryzen 9 9950X In Benchmark Leak

Intel's Core Ultra 9 285K "Arrow Lake" CPU has leaked in Geekbench 6 again and this time it beats the Core i9-14900KS & Ryzen 9 9950X chips.

wccftech.com

 

[photonboy]

Ryzen 9800X3D
The "X3D" part is just a cache, so I would expect nearly IDENTICAL performance uplift from 9700X as from the 7700X to 7800X3D.

Keep in mind the Ryzen 9000 has a slightly different architecture that MAY see performance benefits relative to the 7000 series later if software takes advantage of it. But then all of Ryzen 9000 should benefit.

Anyway, Windows branch prediction yada yada aside, when the issues get sorted out my guess is roughly 10% or so in CPU bound scenarios above the 7800X3D. And a few specific use cases will exceed that.

The 9800X3D will probably be the best gaming CPU I'll end up recommending to those with the budget. I won't recommend 12/16-core AMD for gamers due to potential latency issues (plus, there's really no benefit unless you have other needs). And I can't trust Intel until they can rebuild said trust.

On the VALUE side the R7-5700X3D is an amazing CPU right now if the price makes sense (will vary but it was something like $230USD recently). Especially if you're invested in AM4 already. (i.e. upgrading from an R7-2700x would be amazing. double-check BIOS compatibility)