Tripping into AM5 X670e (maybe)

[Frick]

So I'm installing it now and holy heck it's buggy, or something is wrong in a way I've never experienced. I haven't even been able to install Windows yet. It posts fine, but on reboots it just stops at the post screen. If I power cycle the PSU completely it boots, once. What does a Windoes install require? Reboots! Updating BIOS now, will see what happens, but even that is slow. EXPO and stuff is not running btw.

So to expand on what actually happens when I choose boot device is ... nothing. Until it restarts on its own. BIOD update didn't help.

But it's not completely locked, if I press Caps Lock it lights up after a few seconds. Have no idea what's going on.

 

[dgianstefani]

So I'm installing it now and holy heck it's buggy, or something is wrong in a way I've never experienced. I haven't even been able to install Windows yet. It posts fine, but on reboots it just stops at the post screen. If I power cycle the PSU completely it boots, once. What does a Windoes install require? Reboots! Updating BIOS now, will see what happens, but even that is slow. EXPO and stuff is not running btw.

So to expand on what actually happens when I choose boot device is ... nothing. Until it restarts on its own. BIOD update didn't help.

But it's not completely locked, if I press Caps Lock it lights up after a few seconds. Have no idea what's going on.

It's AMD, you'll need to tune voltages and memory for it to be stable and boot fast. Expect to set all sub timings manually or resign yourself to long boots if you make it train every time.

 

[Frick]

It's AMD, you'll need to tune voltages and memory for it to be stable and boot fast. Expect to set all sub timings manually or resign yourself to long boots if you make it train every time.

Is this what AM5 is? I can't just buy RAM kits and have to tune them by hand for my computer to be able to start? Do note that it's not slow, it restarts after ten or so minutes. I have to switch the power supply switch for it to boot at all, otherwise it stops at boot and restarts after awhile. Do also note that EXPO and all that stuff is off, the RAM is sitting at 4800Mhz.

I genuinely refuse to believe I have to manually tune timings for the computer to be able to actually reboot. If it's not, AMD deserves to be out of business and I genuinely mean that.

 

[Rabit]

Is this what AM5 is? I can't just buy RAM kits and have to tune them by hand for my computer to be able to start? Do note that it's not slow, it restarts after ten or so minutes. I have to switch the power supply switch for it to boot at all, otherwise it stops at boot and restarts after awhile. Do also note that EXPO and all that stuff is off, the RAM is sitting at 4800Mhz.

I genuinely refuse to believe I have to manually tune timings for the computer to be able to actually reboot. If it's not, AMD deserves to be out of business and I genuinely mean that.

EXPO working on Memory kits verified by Motherboard maker, if not listed you need manual memory tuning.
I get my cheap green pcb OEM microns 4800 CL40 up to 5626 Cl 36 :0 all manual.

 

[Frick]

EXPO working on Memory kits verified by Motherboard maker, if not listed you need manual memory tuning.
I get my cheap green pcb OEM microns 4800 CL40 up to 5626 Cl 36 :0 all manual.

But I'm not using EXPO.

And just confirmed, it's not slow. It get stuck on boot (not post) and restarts after about 10 minutes, and this continues until I power cycle.

 

[Bill_Bright]

It's AMD, you'll need to tune voltages and memory for it to be stable and boot fast. Expect to set all sub timings manually or resign yourself to long boots if you make it train every time.

??? Really? Are you saying if a user simply leaves the BIOS settings at their default settings, it is normal for them to experience Frick's issues? That's hardly right.

@Frick - can we assume the CPU and the RAM are listed on the motherboard's QVL? Or at least RAM with the same specs as listed RAM? And the BIOS firmware is updated - if needed to support that CPU and RAM.

If it's not, AMD deserves to be out of business and I genuinely mean that.

I would have to agree. But I can't believe that is the case here either or else the big factory PC makers - those who buy CPUs in lots of 100s of 1000s or even millions - would refuse to buy them too if they had to make such changes with every board before their computers left the factory.

 

[Kapone33]

To me it is crazy that a Staff member would make that comment about AMD. There have been hundreds of thousands of AM5 system installed. Especially now with the 9800X3D and Black Friday. @Frick I see that you have not updated your specs so we don't know what board you are even using.

 

[Rabit]

But I'm not using EXPO.

And just confirmed, it's not slow. It get stuck on boot (not post) and restarts after about 10 minutes, and this continues until I power cycle.

Try reset bios or update it , maybe some settings from previous user giving you issues, due at default settings your PC need work fine if all components are undamaged.

 

[Bill_Bright]

@Frick I see that you have not updated your specs so we don't know what board you are even using.

You need to go back to the beginning of the thread and catch up.

 

[BlaezaLite]

When I built my AM5 rig, it was the easiest system to setup so far. No issues at all. Hope @Frick can get to the bottom of his troubles.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

No issue with ram here either but I might have paid a little more for my G.Skill because I heard people having good luck with them on AMD setups.

 

[Frick]

??? Really? Are you saying if a user simply leaves the BIOS settings at their default settings, it is normal for them to experience Frick's issues? That's hardly right.

@Frick - can we assume the CPU and the RAM are listed on the motherboard's QVL? Or at least RAM with the same specs as listed RAM? And the BIOS firmware is updated - if needed to support that CPU and RAM.

I would have to agree. But I can't believe that is the case here either or else the big factory PC makers - those who buy CPUs in lots of 100s of 1000s or even millions - would refuse to buy them too if they had to make such changes with every board before their computers left the factory.

Pretty sure it's on the QVL. Currently running the RAM at 4800Mhz (instead of the marketed 6000Mhz).

Anyway I'm in Windows now anyway. We'll see how things shake out.

To me it is crazy that a Staff member would make that comment about AMD. There have been hundreds of thousands of AM5 system installed. Especially now with the 9800X3D and Black Friday. @Frick I see that you have not updated your specs so we don't know what board you are even using.

Updated.

Softbooting from Windows also requires power cycling. Using the reset button on the case does not work.

Try reset bios or update it , maybe some settings from previous user giving you issues, due at default settings your PC need work fine if all components are undamaged.

Updates to the latest version, no change.

 

[Rabit]

Try:

- visually inspect entire main-board for rip off components I once have resetting mainboard B550 that have missing few smds that prevent it measure power usage that lead to it reboots, take me 2 monhts to find free scheamtic and 1 h under microspoe * my first microsoldering do not look neat if you wonder look on second image https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troub...i-b550m-pro-vdh-identified-missing-components

- recheck all cable connections.

-unplug all drives/ USB stick.

- power on with 1 ram stick, A and B Chanel.

- unplug all case IO / including power button * you can power on board by shorting power enable pins.

- pull out CPU and take closer look on socket to check if you not miss any damage, and reinstall it back.

 

[mama]

This really depends on exactly what is understood and the people involved. This guy? We're cool no matter what happens in this transaction.



*reasons*



Ohh thanks. I'm not getting a 7800x3d, I'm getting a 7600. Will probably not overclock anyway, because getting 5.4Ghz instead of just 5.1Ghz just doesn't feel like overclocking to me. That's what you could do with a Pentium II! "With a decent AIO I feel you can probably get another 100 MHz, maybe more if you win the silicon lottery." I mean why even bother.

Going by your advertised specs it looks like it's already a done deal.

 

[eidairaman1]

??? Really? Are you saying if a user simply leaves the BIOS settings at their default settings, it is normal for them to experience Frick's issues? That's hardly right.

@Frick - can we assume the CPU and the RAM are listed on the motherboard's QVL? Or at least RAM with the same specs as listed RAM? And the BIOS firmware is updated - if needed to support that CPU and RAM.

I would have to agree. But I can't believe that is the case here either or else the big factory PC makers - those who buy CPUs in lots of 100s of 1000s or even millions - would refuse to buy them too if they had to make such changes with every board before their computers left the factory.

I recall by default mobos just use jedec until XMP/DOCP/EXPO is enabled. I do recall there has been a rash of ga boards being troublesome, if your system doesnt train within 10 minutes at most, you might try different ram, but if still same then an issue with mobo is very suspect

 

[Launcestonian]

If you've updated to the latest bios then Gigabyte had already taken into account many kinds of RAM kits already on the market so sounds like the board is having a tough time deciding if MCR should be enabled or not on its own (bios code). Have you tried enabling MCR & not leaving it on auto?

 

[Frick]

Try:

- recheck all cable connections.

-unplug all drives/ USB stick.

- power on with 1 ram stick, A and B Chanel.

- unplug all case IO / including power button * you can power on board by shorting power enable pins.

- pull out CPU and take closer look on socket to check if you not miss any damage, and reinstall it back.

Yeah that is the process and ... I'm far more likely to just never reboot it, ever.

If you've updated to the latest bios then Gigabyte had already taken into account many kinds of RAM kits already on the market so sounds like the board is having a tough time deciding if MCR should be enabled or not on its own (bios code). Have you tried enabling MCR & not leaving it on auto?

Yep it's on.

Hey the RAM isn't on the QVL. I was sure I had checked it. Anyway I refuse to believe that is the problem, because if is, what is the damned point with specifications?

 

[Rabit]

Try borrow ram stick from a friend for quick test, due this can be rare ram non compatibility or even ram DOA.

 

[eidairaman1]

Yeah that is the process and ... I'm far more likely to just never reboot it, ever.


Yep it's on.

Hey the RAM isn't on the QVL. I was sure I had checked it. Anyway I refuse to believe that is the problem, because if is, what is the damned point with specifications?

Guess I've been lucky because I've ran mushkin, crucial and gskill that wasn't on qvl and worked out of the box, I can't say that about kingston or corsair though...

 

[Frick]

Try borrow ram stick from a friend for quick test, due this can be rare ram non compatibility or even ram DOA.

Don't have many of that kind of friend (with high end desktop computers). Not locally anyway. Will have to buy a secondary kit. Might do it actually, but not now.

Guess I've been lucky because I've ran mushkin, crucial and gskill that wasn't on qvl and worked out of the box, I can't say that about kingston or corsair though...

I have never even looked at a RAM QVL before now because it has never been an issue. And again I refuse to believe that would be the problem. EXPO is off and it's POSTing fine (it hangs on boot) so the training stuff isn't even happening, and the boot fails (the computer restarts after about ten minutes), it's not just slow.

 

[Launcestonian]

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Yep it's on.

Hey the RAM isn't on the QVL. I was sure I had checked it. Anyway I refuse to believe that is the problem, because if is, what is the damned point with specifications?

Out of 3 AM5 systems I have here & all on B650 platform, only 1 has RAM from QVL list for that particular board. Those 2 other systems without QVL support also OC their RAM kits quite well with no hesitation in the booting process after the initial first run with that set of RAM. In fact, one of them boots so fast even when fast boot is disabled! It's impossible for mobo vendors to test every single kit of RAM on the market these days but that should not be a problem getting your system to boot properly & even reboot with normal process after the first boot with that set of RAM. Something else is going on with the board despite what settings you put in the bios it sounds like. The board seems like it has some component about the break down & its tricky to keep it stable, I mean after all its a 2nd hand board right? despite your claims a good friend sold it to you, so just saying.

 

[Frick]

Out of 3 AM5 systems I have here & all on B650 platform, only 1 has RAM from QVL list for that particular board. Those 2 other systems without QVL support also OC their RAM kits quite well with no hesitation in the booting process after the initial first run with that set of RAM. In fact, one of them boots so fast even when fast boot is disabled! It's impossible for mobo vendors to test every single kit of RAM on the market these days but that should not be a problem getting your system to boot properly & even reboot with normal process after the first boot with that set of RAM. Something else is going on with the board despite what settings you put in the bios it sounds like. The board seems like it has some component about the break down & its tricky to keep it stable, I mean after all its a 2nd hand board right? despite your claims a good friend sold it to you, so just saying.

They didn't have this problem. But yeah somdthing's up. I do have quite a lot of stuff connected. Will do a rebuild and proper troubleshooting .... some day. Maybe over the holidays.

BTW the debug LEDs are dark. Also this morning I rebooted from Windows, entered BIOS and enabled DDR Power Down Enabled (after a suggestion somewhere) and then it actually booted into Windows! Normally it would get stuck. I rebooted again just to see what would happen and it got stuck again.

 

[Ruru]

To me it is crazy that a Staff member would make that comment about AMD. There have been hundreds of thousands of AM5 system installed. Especially now with the 9800X3D and Black Friday. @Frick I see that you have not updated your specs so we don't know what board you are even using.

Tells me hella lot when a staff member's post gets flagged as a low quality post.

I hope that I don't get warnings or ban for saying that being an Intel fanboy shouldn't be so visible...

edit: and I've been a Ryzen user since since Zen+ and I have nothing to complain.

 

[Frick]

Ok so I think it has fixed itself. Now it reboots fine, no troubleshooting or changes done in BIOS. Weird.

Now the only thing left to do is figure out why Onedrive won't work, but other than that things seem fine.

 

[eidairaman1]

He deserved it, B550 Steel Legend, R7 5800, Crucial 3600 x32 ram, set and forget, been running since 2021.

Tells me hella lot when a staff member's post gets flagged as a low quality post.

I hope that I don't get warnings or ban for saying that being an Intel fanboy shouldn't be so visible...

edit: and I've been a Ryzen user since since Zen+ and I have nothing to complain.