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Good morning Delta,

Nvidia 580 is supposed to be the fastest card out there right now according to some article I saw from a UK outfit. What do you think?

Do you think the AMD 7 thing is better? I'm gonna go with your recommendations cuz ya may not be able to ride a bull or a horse but ya sure as hell look like ya know what your talkin about in a PC. LOL You've been doin this geek stuff a while haven't ya?
 
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Noone knows for sure as we don't know ANYTHING about the performance, but AMD 7000 series should logically be better. It hasn't come out yet and there is no release date atm, but the higher-end should come out around Mid Jan~early Feb in my OPINION.

I mentioned it to you as one of the reasons we should wait before making plans :p
 

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AMD's 7 series is not out yet m8. But like we talked on the phone it be worth waiting for the intels 2011 socket there for might be worth waiting till AMDs 7000 series is out.

It all depends on how long you willing to wait but i would wait till feb time or if there is any solid news on when AMD is going release their next video cards.

Depending on your older system maybe use the video card out of that till AMD release their 7 series.

With you being in to DCS games you going need a high clocked CPU as i believe it's single core game still although gets a tiny boost from a multicore system.

That said waiting would be perfect as by time AMD release their 7 series you will know what CPU's will be good for overclocking too.
 
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AMD's 7 series is not out yet m8. But like we talked on the phone it be worth waiting for the intels 2011 socket there for might be worth waiting till AMDs 7000 series is out.

It all depends on how long you willing to wait but i would wait till feb time or if there is any solid news on when AMD is going release their next video cards.

Depending on your older system maybe use the video card out of that till AMD release their 7 series.

With you being in to DCS games you going need a high clocked CPU as i believe it's single core game still although gets a tiny boost from a multicore system.

That said waiting would be perfect as by time AMD release their 7 series you will know what CPU's will be good for overclocking too.
Damn we are a helpful bunch at TPU LOL

I'll also add to that. SB is, so far, the CPU that OCs to the highest clocks so far, so SB-E should be at least as god if not better in the clock department, and definitively better in the tech and multi-core department.

Also note AMD will be releasing their 7 series in a few steps... First, the mobile and low-end, then the mid-end, then the high-end, then the dual-GPU high-end. A 7870 might not be more powerful than a GTX 580, but a 7970 should be, which will come out later than the 7870
 
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If you are wanting to make a rig which can handle FSX with sliders all to the right, running smooth at 1080p I'd say forget about it.

My Brother is a flight sim fanatic and has constantly upgraded his rig in the pursuit of getting the game to run flawlessly at the mentioned specs.

With a 870k overclocked to 4Ghz, 8GB ram, an SSD, and dual GTX480s, Track IR he still doesn't get smooth frame rates on max settings and has finally given up.

But there is a new Flight Sim in the works so hopefully this will run 10 times better than FSX ever did.

Best of luck with your build.
 
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Good morning Delta,

Nvidia 580 is supposed to be the fastest card out there right now according to some article I saw from a UK outfit. What do you think?

Do you think the AMD 7 thing is better? I'm gonna go with your recommendations cuz ya may not be able to ride a bull or a horse but ya sure as hell look like ya know what your talkin about in a PC. LOL You've been doin this geek stuff a while haven't ya?
Yes, the Nvidia 580 is a very fast card the only reason I didn't bring it up was due to power consumption/heat but with your PSU and Case it won't be a problem.

Like many have said technically the AMD 7k should be better in the high end segments.

Also I buy all my parts from Newegg.com but if your in the UK you will have to ask others for places to buy, as that place is USA/Canada.:banghead:
 
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He's in the US

This is a wait and see game, so let's just do that, no point in speculating any further :p We will know more when the time comes
 
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Good morning Delta,

Nvidia 580 is supposed to be the fastest card out there right now according to some article I saw from a UK outfit. What do you think?

Do you think the AMD 7 thing is better? I'm gonna go with your recommendations cuz ya may not be able to ride a bull or a horse but ya sure as hell look like ya know what your talkin about in a PC. LOL You've been doin this geek stuff a while haven't ya?

I've been riding horses since I was 5. No bulls though...

I personally prefer 4 wheelers and computers; you don't have to feed them.
 

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I've been riding horses since I was 5. No bulls though...

I personally prefer 4 wheelers and computers; you don't have to feed them.
You don't pay the electric bill then ?.. J/k
 

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Still cheaper than a bale of hay and sweet feed
 

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If you are wanting to make a rig which can handle FSX with sliders all to the right, running smooth at 1080p I'd say forget about it.

My Brother is a flight sim fanatic and has constantly upgraded his rig in the pursuit of getting the game to run flawlessly at the mentioned specs.

With a 870k overclocked to 4Ghz, 8GB ram, an SSD, and dual GTX480s, Track IR he still doesn't get smooth frame rates on max settings and has finally given up.

But there is a new Flight Sim in the works so hopefully this will run 10 times better than FSX ever did.

Best of luck with your build.
He should be able to do it quite easily on his budget since he can afford significantly better graphics cards and a processor he can easily overclock to 4-4.5 Ghz
 

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WHOOOA I stirred up a dust cloud. Let me ask a question. I think the wait and see thing is most likely a good idea. i don't know if I want to wait until February. As I said I'm a retired ol fart that never grew up and I want to play! As for overclocking I don't know how to do that but I think I just found some folks that might tell me exactly how. So my question is, don't all these part makers just keep on one upping each other? Let's say I waited until Feb. Would another be coming in June? Then Oct? etc? Those two MSI Radon 6970's together look like they'll kick some gaming ass. Would a Nvidia 580 do as well and not take up PCIe slots? I'd like to be flying here relativity soon, perhaps waiting until December. But surely before Feb. And does everyone agree that case with the best fans the company offers will do the cooling job?
 
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WHOOOA I stirred up a dust cloud. Let me ask a question. I think the wait and see thing is most likely a good idea. i don't know if I want to wait until February. As I said I'm a retired ol fart that never grew up and I want to play! As for overclocking I don't know how to do that but I think I just found some folks that might tell me exactly how. So my question is, don't all these part makers just keep on one upping each other? Let's say I waited until Feb. Would another be coming in June? Then Oct? etc? Those two MSI Radon 6970's together look like they'll kick some gaming ass. Would a Nvidia 580 do as well and not take up PCIe slots? I'd like to be flying here relativity soon, perhaps waiting until December. But surely before Feb. And does everyone agree that case with the best fans the company offers will do the cooling job?
I'm not recommend to wait until Jan/Feb... I'm recommending to wait until you are 15 days away MAX from building your system. If the 7900 series has been announced or if it came out by then, GREAT, if not, we got some great options. Both the GTX 580 and 6970 are very comparable in performance, so 2x 6970 is close to 2x GTX 580. Prices will drop in the coming months though, and we don't have an accurate picture of what will be available for when you will be wanting to purchase the whole rig, so there is no gain to speculate about stuff now :p

Who knows, maybe the 7870 will be close to 6970/GTX 580 performance and come out in Dec/Jan. The 7870 is rumored to consume FAR less power. However, do not expect the 7970 before January. You said 90 days to me though, meaning it should bring you easily to January if I am not mistaken? I might have misunderstood
 
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Ya know partner your exactly right. I did say 90 days. I guess I just got so excited lookin up all these bitchin bad ass parts and reading about them that I'm getting ahead of myself. I don't really want to do that. There's enough tech horse power in this forum to answer any question anyone has and then some. So I need to pull back on the rains a bit and do as ya'll have suggested. See what's comin, think this through, and build one bass ass rig. Cuz I'm probably only gonna do this this once. I'm thinkin this PC will roll for a good 5 years in gaming.

What do ya'll do when it comes to wiring? I've seen rigs so cleanly put together they are some what art. That's what I want to do. Do they make different length cables for inside the box to get that "just right" fit?
 
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As for overclocking I don't know how to do that but I think I just found some folks that might tell me exactly how.
Just ask away here at the forums and you'll get plenty of help. There are quite a few very experienced OC'ers on here. :respect:


*Reins

sorry, it was bugging me


What do ya'll do when it comes to wiring? I've seen rigs so cleanly put together they are some what art. That's what I want to do. Do they make different length cables for inside the box to get that "just right" fit?
You decided on a Cooler Master HAF X, right? If so, it has bulged sides to put your cables behind the motherboard and hide them. And most PSUs come with a pile of zip ties to hang everything up. then, you just pull out the length you need and hook it up, leaving the case very clean looking from the side window.


@ delta6326: There is only one GFX card in that order list.
 
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I know your gonna wait, but just for shits and giggles, I put together what I would build today with a $3000-3500 budget.



 
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I want.....I think I need to get a job. I forgot whose sig its in, "your computer is never done; you just run out of money."
 

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I know your gonna wait, but just for shits and giggles, I put together what I would build today with a $3000-3500 budget.
Can't say I would do that. You're not taking into account redundancy or aesthetics with those hard drives and that case. But I guess if gaming performance is the only goal that would be okay.
 
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Yes, I normally do not suggest waiting, but did suggest waiting for X79 (as it is only 2 weeks)

Radeon 7000 series will paper launch around Christmas with availability coming a month or two behind that most likely (assuming all goes according to plan that is)

I do not normally suggest waiting for the precise reason you brought up, if you wait you will always be waiting, but a new arch so close to launch, thats worth holding off for.



So I did a little research on the game.

Some of my guesses were right, highly CPU bound game. Fast fast fast CPU required. Runs well on duals and quads but no more than 4 threads necessary. Sandy B with an Ivy bridge update might be plenty. I would still wait and see what socket 2011 brings to the table. the game prefers nvidia cards, not because they are better, just because...

dual 570s for multimon or the new 560s if they are cheaper than 570s. SLI is not really good because the game is so CPU bound, however for 3 monitor gaming you will need two cards.

Might as well go CPU water cooling as well and try and push it up towards 5 GHz 24/7
 
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#49
Yes, I normally do not suggest waiting, but did suggest waiting for X79 (as it is only 2 weeks)

Radeon 7000 series will paper launch around Christmas with availability coming a month or two behind that most likely (assuming all goes according to plan that is)

I do not normally suggest waiting for the precise reason you brought up, if you wait you will always be waiting, but a new arch so close to launch, thats worth holding off for.



So I did a little research on the game.

Some of my guesses were right, highly CPU bound game. Fast fast fast CPU required. Runs well on duals and quads but no more than 4 threads necessary. Sandy B with an Ivy bridge update might be plenty. I would still wait and see what socket 2011 brings to the table. the game prefers nvidia cards, not because they are better, just because...

dual 570s for multimon or the new 560s if they are cheaper than 570s. SLI is not really good because the game is so CPU bound, however for 3 monitor gaming you will need two cards.

Might as well go CPU water cooling as well and try and push it up towards 5 GHz 24/7
Yes, but the AMD 7000 series will be better than NV most likely, even if theses particular games prefer NV.

I would not suggest Watercooling as he is not that experienced with computer parts, but if he does go watercooling, it better be a great setup. There is also some maintenance involved with WC that can get annoying as well
 
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I wouldn't suggest water cooling either. Maybe an H80 or H100, since they're pretty much as simple as it gets; but nothing with separate parts needing picked and assembled. And still, I don't know if that would be a lot better than a good air cooler like mine, or maybe a silver arrow. I've looked up a few results from testing both the H100 and the cooler I have, (Noctua NH-D14) and they seem to be within a few degrees of each other. The H100 gets very loud at higher speeds, to get the tempurature advantage. And after a couple hours of gaming, the water begins to warm up a little faster than it can be cooled. so then, it appears to be running hotter than normal. But with an air cooler, the maximum temperature doesn't really change with time. And when you drop the load, air coolers get the cpu cooled down to its idle temperture quicker.