Unstable Rams

[NAM3ofVIOLATION]

I have bought these dual channel sticks recently SPECTRIX D50 DDR4 and the reason I bought them is for my iGPU performance. I sometime play normal games like Dota 2, Warframe, Minecraft etc on Ryzen 3 2200G and my old rams were 2400mhz. I thought buying higher frequency sticks will improve some performance in iGPU by increasing bandwidth etc.
Inserted them and didn't used D.O.C.P yet and auto speed was 2666Mhz. I tried doing Docp profile on 3600mhz and it didnt boot after that and started to give beep sounds of ram errors. I reduced the Mhz to 3200mhz by choosing 2nd profile in docp but still no luck. After searching and doing little increase in my overclock manually I successfully made it to reach 3200mhz and PC booted and rams were stable over any load.
When I started to play games, the games just close itself without any error or anything, not even graphics driver crash.

Every setting except Auto in my bios were unstable as I perfectly checked the timings as well but no luck. Tried upgrading my bios to latest still didnt worked. Idk what am I doing wrong or is my cpu isnt for overclocking?
Specs are:
Asus Tuf Gaming A520m Plus WIFI
EVGA 500W PSU
Samsung 840 pro SSD
XPG Spectrix D50 8x2 16GB Dual channel
AMD Ryzen 3 2200G with Vega 8 Graphics.

Also guide me which Memory module brand is trustworthy and durable in long term use as someone I know saying XPG is cheap than Corsair due to their building material and is more fragile than Vengeance. Did I made mistake buying this module?
Please guide me through this Issue.

 

[lemonadesoda]

Is your PC and new RAM stable at 2666? Can you get it to operate at multiplier 2933 which is the recommended maximum at stock cpu?
I dont understand why you spent so much money on mainboard and memory just to run iGPU? Can you explain further?

 

[Phu_]

I just checked ASUS' webpage on supported CPUs, your Ryzen 2200G is not supported by your ASUS A520m Plus Wifi motherboard. Most likely what is happening is that the CPU portion boots since the CPU architecture is similar enough to the supported CPUs, but instantly crashes once it loads up the iGPU. Your options are to either a) get a A320 motherboard (if you like ASUS, they have ASUS PRIME A320M-A) or b) upgrade your cpu to a 4300G (or anything Ryzen 3000+)

 

[Mussels]

I have bought these dual channel sticks recently SPECTRIX D50 DDR4 and the reason I bought them is for my iGPU performance. I sometime play normal games like Dota 2, Warframe, Minecraft etc on Ryzen 3 2200G and my old rams were 2400mhz. I thought buying higher frequency sticks will improve some performance in iGPU by increasing bandwidth etc.
Inserted them and didn't used D.O.C.P yet and auto speed was 2666Mhz. I tried doing Docp profile on 3600mhz and it didnt boot after that and started to give beep sounds of ram errors. I reduced the Mhz to 3200mhz by choosing 2nd profile in docp but still no luck. After searching and doing little increase in my overclock manually I successfully made it to reach 3200mhz and PC booted and rams were stable over any load.
When I started to play games, the games just close itself without any error or anything, not even graphics driver crash.

Every setting except Auto in my bios were unstable as I perfectly checked the timings as well but no luck. Tried upgrading my bios to latest still didnt worked. Idk what am I doing wrong or is my cpu isnt for overclocking?
Specs are:
Asus Tuf Gaming A520m Plus WIFI
EVGA 500W PSU
Samsung 840 pro SSD
XPG Spectrix D50 8x2 16GB Dual channel
AMD Ryzen 3 2200G with Vega 8 Graphics.

Also guide me which Memory module brand is trustworthy and durable in long term use as someone I know saying XPG is cheap than Corsair due to their building material and is more fragile than Vengeance. Did I made mistake buying this module?
Please guide me through this Issue.

It's an A520 board and a 2200G - neither of those are a great combo for high RAM speeds.
The CPU is rated "upto" 2933, with two single rank memory sticks, while the motherboard technically supports faster (with other CPUs)
Those 16GB sticks are highly likely to be dual rank modules, which perform better but are harder to run at high speeds.

Whoever told you this is because you bought XPG and they're "fragile" is someone you should avoid listening to in the future because they have no knowledge of what they're doing

You're going to have to treat this as memory and CPU overclocking, because it is
I haven't been able to find any guides for memory overclocking on that CPU because few have tried, but if it's like every other ryzen CPU out there, you'll need to raise the SoC voltage

As always with overclocking, if settings dont work, just reset the CMOS and try again. Unless you enter insane voltages like changing 1.20v to 2.0v, things cant go boom.
2200G Vega 8 OC: Is GFX voltage and SOC voltage the same? : Amd (reddit.com)
Ryzen 3/5 OC'íng the 2200G/2400G APU's. - Evil's Personal Palace - HisEvilness - Paul Ripmeester

Looks like changing the SoC voltage to 1.20v to 1.25v is recommended for both overclocking the IGP and the memory controller, from those two sources

I just checked ASUS' webpage on supported CPUs, your Ryzen 2200G is not supported by your ASUS A520m Plus Wifi motherboard.

AGESA updates changed CPU support for a lot of motherboards.
It's not on the officially supported list, but the fact it only has issues at higher RAM speeds points to simple SoC/Infinity fabric stability
I wonder if the OP made a typo and has a 3200G - overall they're more or less the same, other than small differences

 

[Dr. Dro]

You are asking a little too much out of your 2200G, IMO. The RAM is fine, anyone who told you ADATA/XPG is bad and worse than Corsair is someone you should not listen to for computer advice.

Since you seem to be on a very tight budget and use the integrated graphics, I would suggest looking at purchasing a CPU like the 3400G or the 4600G, both can be found very inexpensively on Aliexpress and perhaps locally, these will handle your faster memory much better and give you a boost in performance. Otherwise you do not have much choice but run your new memory with looser timings and lower frequencies that your processor can reliably support.

Good luck!

 

[NAM3ofVIOLATION]

Is your PC and new RAM stable at 2666? Can you get it to operate at multiplier 2933 which is the recommended maximum at stock cpu?
I dont understand why you spent so much money on mainboard and memory just to run iGPU? Can you explain further?

Reason is the Inflation in my region. GPU prices are still high thats why I thought to pass some time with this iGPU. I might sound dumb to you sorry about that.

It's an A520 board and a 2200G - neither of those are a great combo for high RAM speeds.
The CPU is rated "upto" 2933, with two single rank memory sticks, while the motherboard technically supports faster (with other CPUs)
Those 16GB sticks are highly likely to be dual rank modules, which perform better but are harder to run at high speeds.

Whoever told you this is because you bought XPG and they're "fragile" is someone you should avoid listening to in the future because they have no knowledge of what they're doing

You're going to have to treat this as memory and CPU overclocking, because it is
I haven't been able to find any guides for memory overclocking on that CPU because few have tried, but if it's like every other ryzen CPU out there, you'll need to raise the SoC voltage

As always with overclocking, if settings dont work, just reset the CMOS and try again. Unless you enter insane voltages like changing 1.20v to 2.0v, things cant go boom.
2200G Vega 8 OC: Is GFX voltage and SOC voltage the same? : Amd (reddit.com)
Ryzen 3/5 OC'íng the 2200G/2400G APU's. - Evil's Personal Palace - HisEvilness - Paul Ripmeester

Looks like changing the SoC voltage to 1.20v to 1.25v is recommended for both overclocking the IGP and the memory controller, from those two sources


AGESA updates changed CPU support for a lot of motherboards.
It's not on the officially supported list, but the fact it only has issues at higher RAM speeds points to simple SoC/Infinity fabric stability
I wonder if the OP made a typo and has a 3200G - overall they're more or less the same, other than small differencesT

Thankyou for the links for overclocking on my cpu i'll surely check it out and when I bought the motherboard along with cpu, They tested everything about the support because i knew my cpu is not in the official support list but it worked without any issues. I just wanted to get some benefit of the ram.

You are asking a little too much out of your 2200G, IMO. The RAM is fine, anyone who told you ADATA/XPG is bad and worse than Corsair is someone you should not listen to for computer advice.

Since you seem to be on a very tight budget and use the integrated graphics, I would suggest looking at purchasing a CPU like the 3400G or the 4600G, both can be found very inexpensively on Aliexpress and perhaps locally, these will handle your faster memory much better and give you a boost in performance. Otherwise you do not have much choice but run your new memory with looser timings and lower frequencies that your processor can reliably support.

Good luck!

Alright I should look for a new CPU then, btw is it possible that my motherboard is not suppose to overclock anything at all as I have read in many forums that a520 series can't do overclock except ram and it is weak chip-set. forgive me if i have wrong knowledge but I want to know how weak is the a520 chip set is compared to b450 and x470.
Also, please tell me what is the differnce in xpg and other ram modules that I should check befure buying, like how can I check the durability of a certain ram kit. I have left G.skill, Corsair like brands because they sell less in my region.

 

[lemonadesoda]

Reason is the Inflation in my region. GPU prices are still high thats why I thought to pass some time with this iGPU. I might sound dumb to you sorry about that.

No, it's not dumb to try to get the most out of your existing system. And you are asking good questions; it is a learning exercise.

Can I just offer the overclockers rule of SEE:

1./ Stock
2./ Easy: Overclock your existing system, no hardware changes, or making an upgrade that you need anyway, and choosing one that's a little better that will offer a small overclock. You can overclock parts of your system small amounts to win small performance gains that are unnoticeable except under benchmarking. It's fun though, and relatively inexpensive. I think everyone here on TPU has done this.
3./ Enthusiast: Buy components to overclock your whole system solely for the overclock nirvana never mind the cost. There are noticeable improvements in performance. It's painful, all components need to sing together, and expensive. Many at TPU have done this, but on a cost/benefit analysis, they will admit that in the longer term it is better to upgrade the platform.

Option 2 is essentially free. Option 3 is expensive. Option 3 is for speed demons and show-offs. And it needs deep pockets to do well. It's not just a few BIOS tweaks but cooling and component matching and a lot of patience and luck - and a little stability tradeoff. Most overclocks will dial back their overclock once they have proved to themselves what their system can do, in order to manage heat and stability.

Be careful that you are not overambitious on Option 2, and start spending like Option 3. You would do much better getting a dGPU.

You still didn't answer the questions >> Is your PC and new RAM stable at 2666? Can you get it to operate at multiplier 2933?

Run some stock, 2666 and 2933 benchmarks and share them. More experienced members might be able to give you a guestimate how much more you can get out of your system if you can get it to sing in tune. You might then be satisfied with 2933, and realise the 3200 is not a linear increase in overall performance, and in everything other than synthetic memory benchmarks will not give you any noticeable improvement.

 

[NAM3ofVIOLATION]

M

No, it's not dumb to try to get the most out of your existing system. And you are asking good questions; it is a learning exercise.

Can I just offer the overclockers rule of SEE:

1./ Stock
2./ Easy: Overclock your existing system, no hardware changes, or making an upgrade that you need anyway, and choosing one that's a little better that will offer a small overclock. You can overclock parts of your system small amounts to win small performance gains that are unnoticeable except under benchmarking. It's fun though, and relatively inexpensive. I think everyone here on TPU has done this.
3./ Enthusiast: Buy components to overclock your whole system solely for the overclock nirvana never mind the cost. There are noticeable improvements in performance. It's painful, all components need to sing together, and expensive. Many at TPU have done this, but on a cost/benefit analysis, they will admit that in the longer term it is better to upgrade the platform.

Option 2 is essentially free. Option 3 is expensive. Option 3 is for speed demons and show-offs. And it needs deep pockets to do well. It's not just a few BIOS tweaks but cooling and component matching and a lot of patience and luck - and a little stability tradeoff. Most overclocks will dial back their overclock once they have proved to themselves what their system can do, in order to manage heat and stability.

Be careful that you are not overambitious on Option 2, and start spending like Option 3. You would do much better getting a dGPU.

You still didn't answer the questions >> Is your PC and new RAM stable at 2666? Can you get it to operate at multiplier 2933?

Run some stock, 2666 and 2933 benchmarks and share them. More experienced members might be able to give you a guestimate how much more you can get out of your system if you can get it to sing in tune. You might then be satisfied with 2933, and realise the 3200 is not a linear increase in overall performance, and in everything other than synthetic memory benchmarks will not give you any noticeable improvement.

Thankyou for answering, My pc is stable at 2666Mhz and it is because it automatically sets that speed if I don't use the D.O.C.P settings/profiles.
As I said, I tried 2933Mhz but anything above auto settings means even 2733Mhz is unstable. Even if I go up to 2933Mhz it is unstable in games only.
When I did overclock to 3200Mhz somehow, my pc was stable in every way and I did few stability benchmarks and it was fine.
The instability only occurs in games and games only. I don't know what the reason behind this is, maybe my iGPU has limitations of it's own.
My friend is using Ryzen 5 2600 in his MSI B450 Tomahawk mobo, and he used Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB rams 3600Mhz Quad channel and he was able to go upto 3266Mhz easily while mine barely goes above 3133Mhz. He also has dedicated RX 5600xt so maybe my iGPU has issues? My friend has 0 issues in anything he do.

 

[Mussels]

a520 series can't do overclock

It can, just not the same ways.
For CPU overclocking it's usually about how much power the VRM's can output, and you can buy garbage B450/550/x570 boards that are total trash tier, too.

Remember that the memory controller is part of the CPU - changing motherboards wont alter how it behaves, other than possibly giving you more options or being more accurate with them (A cheap board set to 1.4v on the DRAM might run 1.42v at idle and 1.38v at load, while an expensive one keeps it at 1.40 the whole time) - this is a non-issue except with overclocks right at the edge of stability

A lot of 'overclocking' settings got added in by AMD in AGESA updates, so you have controls of a lot more settings in the "AMD" sections of the BIOS. (they have various names)

M

Thankyou for answering, My pc is stable at 2666Mhz and it is because it automatically sets that speed if I don't use the D.O.C.P settings/profiles.
As I said, I tried 2933Mhz but anything above auto settings means even 2733Mhz is unstable. Even if I go up to 2933Mhz it is unstable in games only.
When I did overclock to 3200Mhz somehow, my pc was stable in every way and I did few stability benchmarks and it was fine.
The instability only occurs in games and games only. I don't know what the reason behind this is, maybe my iGPU has limitations of it's own.
My friend is using Ryzen 5 2600 in his MSI B450 Tomahawk mobo, and he used Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB rams 3600Mhz Quad channel and he was able to go upto 3266Mhz easily while mine barely goes above 3133Mhz. He also has dedicated RX 5600xt so maybe my iGPU has issues? My friend has 0 issues in anything he do.

What you need to do, is enable XMP, but lower the RAM speed to 2400
This sets the DRAM voltage and timings to what the RAM wants, but at a safe speed

If the BIOS supports saving user profiles, set everything up the way you like (fan speeds, boot settings, etc) and save a profile now so if you clear the CMOS to fix failed settings, you can save time loading it again.


Then, you raise the SoC voltage to 1.25v and slowly raise the DRAM speeds. go from 2400 to 2667, try it for a few days. Then 2933, then 3200, etc. Give it time, because SoC errors can show up as PCI-E and USB problems too, so you can get crashes at idle, USB devices disconnecting and so on as evidence you've reached the limit - these WONT show in stress tests, but only at lower load levels.

 

[lemonadesoda]

He also has dedicated RX 5600xt

The clue is right there. He has a dedicated GPU (dGPU) and the integrated GPU (iGPU) is off. On your system, overclocking the CPU and the onchip iGPU is just too much. Is it the inability of your CPU to clock higher? Or the memory? Or instability of the voltage regulators on the mainboard driving that chip-combo?

Don't waste your time getting a better mainboard for your CPU/iGPU combo. Don't change your CPU for another CPU/iGPU combo that might be more stable. Get yourself a dedicated GPU, even a basic one. All you need is something a little better than that VEGA 8, and not only will you have far better GPU performance, you will more likely be able to overclock your CPU. The Vega 8 is an amazing iGPU. But is pales in comparison to even cheap dGPU.

 

[Mussels]

The clue is right there. He has a dedicated GPU (dGPU) and the integrated GPU (iGPU) is off. On your system, overclocking the CPU and the onchip iGPU is just too much. Is it the inability of your CPU to clock higher? Or the memory? Or instability of the voltage regulators on the mainboard driving that chip-combo?

Don't waste your time getting a better mainboard for your CPU/iGPU combo. Don't change your CPU for another CPU/iGPU combo that might be more stable. Get yourself a dedicated GPU, even a basic one. All you need is something a little better than that VEGA 8, and not only will you have far better GPU performance, you will more likely be able to overclock your CPU. The Vega 8 is an amazing iGPU. But is pales in comparison to even cheap dGPU.

Not terrible advice - but from experience with ryzen in general and some of these APU's specifically, they're memory limited. Getting it stable at XMP clocks is going to help performance sginificantly even with a dedicated GPU.