Upgrade advice please - GPU/CPU

[craigleese123]

Hello Forum

I'm looking to upgrade my cpu and gpu as my current system seems to be struggling with the 1440p triple screens for sim racing. Not struggling with the CPU really, more the GPU. Utilised between 80% - 95% depending on the track with high ram load

Current specs:
Ryzen 7 3700XT CPU
MSI B550 Tomahawk Motherboard
32GB Corsair 3600Mhz Ram
3080FE 10GB GPU
Corsair 850 Gold Plus power supper.

I've been looking @
Asrock Radeon RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming OC 24GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card paired with Ryzen 7 5800X3D.

They are currently on offer for £1225.00 for the pair which seems like good value compared to what i can get with a 4080/4090.

Thoughts ? opinions ? any advice welcome.

In terms of budget - I don't mind spending more than £1200 but ideally looking for 3/4 years gaming with it.

Thank you.

 

[faye]

It's that or spend another $3-500 between RAM, motherboard, and higher CPU cost to go AM5 and 7800X3D with DDR5.

The 7900XTX is a powerful card and good value for money, just know that Radeon drivers are still significantly more buggy and crash-prone than GeForce. This is me speaking as someone who just recently went from a RTX 2080 to a 7900XTX, not recounting how things were years ago. The 7900XTX is quick, but getting things to run smoothly is much more fiddly than it was with the 2080, which just worked.

 

[craigleese123]

It's that or spend another $3-500 between RAM, motherboard, and higher CPU cost to go AM5 and 7800X3D with DDR5.

The 7900XTX is a powerful card and good value for money, just know that Radeon drivers are still significantly more buggy and crash-prone than GeForce. This is me speaking as someone who just recently went from a RTX 2080 to a 7900XTX, not recounting how things were years ago. The 7900XTX is quick, but getting things to run smoothly is much more fiddly than it was with the 2080, which just worked.

hmm ok that's interesting reference the issues with Radeon drivers. I've never experienced them so thought they couldn't be that bad. I'm not a particularly tech-savy so your comments concern me

 

[faye]

hmm ok that's interesting reference the issues with Radeon drivers. I've never experienced them so thought they couldn't be that bad. I'm not a particularly tech-savy so your comments concern me

For some things seem to go smoothly, for others like myself not so much. Not trying to scare you off of it, just sharing my experience. I got a very good deal on the 7900XTX and with that in mind I'm still happy with it, but if it were another $100 or so for a 4080 I probably would choose the 4080.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Hello Forum

I'm looking to upgrade my cpu and gpu as my current system seems to be struggling with the 1440p triple screens for sim racing. Not struggling with the CPU really, more the GPU. Utilised between 80% - 95% depending on the track with high ram load

Current specs:
Ryzen 7 3700XT CPU
MSI B550 Tomahawk Motherboard
32GB Corsair 3600Mhz Ram
3080FE 10GB GPU
Corsair 850 Gold Plus power supper.

I've been looking @
Asrock Radeon RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming OC 24GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card paired with Ryzen 7 5800X3D.

They are currently on offer for £1225.00 for the pair which seems like good value compared to what i can get with a 4080/4090.

Thoughts ? opinions ? any advice welcome.

In terms of budget - I don't mind spending more than £1200 but ideally looking for 3/4 years gaming with it.

Thank you.

What games?

 

[phanbuey]

For some things seem to go smoothly, for others like myself not so much. Not trying to scare you off of it, just sharing my experience. I got a very good deal on the 7900XTX and with that in mind I'm still happy with it, but if it were another $100 or so for a 4080 I probably would choose the 4080.

This is really good feedback, most people that stick with amd and go to the 7900xtx won't experience this, but most nvidia users will. Not to mention the cards are pretty different in performance, so there will be instances where the 3080 will be faster than 7900xtx (such as cyberpunk) and instances where the 7900xtx will be much faster, but difference will guarantee you will find yourself in times where you will kick yourself for "upgrading".

If you're on a 3080, I would recommend either waiting for the 4080 super, or 4080 at the minimum upgrade - it still won't feel like much in most cases.

 

[craigleese123]

What games?

assetto corsa competizione and sometimes iracing.

Cheers for the replies guys. Very helpful indeed. Must admit, I've done some more research this afternoon and more on the software for the triple screens, it's more complicated than the nvidia surround apparently, so i think nvidia is a more stable bet.

From what I've found on the January releases, there isn't 4090 super, only 4080 super but no price points atm.


Would do you believe upgrading to a 4080 or a 4090 alone (without upgrading the cpu) would cause bottleneck issues?

Thanks again

 

[QuietBob]

ACC loves V-cache. You will see a huge boost in frame rates with a 5800X3D:

You may find this whole video useful:

 

[Macro Device]

3080 will be faster than 7900xtx (such as cyberpunk)

Must be a typo. 3080 is behind (technically) 7900 XTX even with RT enabled.

@craigleese123 you don't need a GPU upgrade. Just get yourself the 5800X3D (or 7800X3D, even) and wait till 4080 becomes <500 bucks on the aftermarket.

 

[Deleted member 229121]

Since you already have a B550 board, +1 for dropping in a 5800X3D.
I had a 3700X before upgrading and you will absolutely notice a big difference with it.

The 5700X3D is also coming out too, will be interesting to see how they compare (and might be more worth it based on pricing).

Would do you believe upgrading to a 4080 or a 4090 alone (without upgrading the cpu) would cause bottleneck issues?

Definitely for the 4090.

I was on the fence about a 5900X or X3D until the 4090 came out.
It was literally the only AM4 CPU that wasn't bottlenecking it.

 

[phanbuey]

Must be a typo. 3080 is behind (technically) 7900 XTX even with RT enabled.

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@craigleese123 you don't need a GPU upgrade. Just get yourself the 5800X3D (or 7800X3D, even) and wait till 4080 becomes <500 bucks on the aftermarket.

yes because people play at 20 FPS with no dlss enabled. lol.

 

[craigleese123]

The 7800x3d is on offer currently and is only £20 more than the 5800x3d. The 7800x3d is better (i believe) and still b550 compatible ? Thanks again

 

[Macro Device]

still b550 compatible

It's not. You will need a new motherboard and also a kit of DDR5.

yes because people play at 20 FPS with no dlss enabled. lol.

This couldn't be more irrelevant than that. 3080 is slower than 7900 XTX regardless of settings. Even the most nVidia-biased games run faster on 7900 XTX. That's why I suspected you in having a typo as 4080 is generally not losing to any AMD GPU.

 

[phanbuey]

It's not. You will need a new motherboard and also a kit of DDR5.


This couldn't be more irrelevant than that. 3080 is slower than 7900 XTX regardless of settings. Even the most nVidia-biased games run faster on 7900 XTX. That's why I suspected you in having a typo as 4080 is generally not losing to any AMD GPU.

I get what you're saying but as @faye can attest and as i've built with these cards -- if you run DLSS, your DLSS balanced looks the same as FSR quality....

So now with DLSS balanced here you will be getting 70-80 FPS on a 3080... and then 7900xtx will be getting 60-70FPS with FSR quality with worse frametiming and slightly more artifacts. Same applies for Control, Atomic Heart, basically any DLSS game - the gap is alot closer than people realize with upscalers turned on.

I agree with you -- in raw performance the 7900xtx spanks the 3080, Starfield it's like 2-3x faster - but once you start dialing in settings on Nvidia games that gap starts shrinking and that's not a great feeling on a $900 upgrade.

 

[Vya Domus]

that's not a great feeling on a $900 upgrade.

3080 is not a slow card, other than instances where the 10GB are a problem it will always feel like you kind of wasted money no matter what you buy.

 

[Frick]

The 7900XTX is a powerful card and good value for money, just know that Radeon drivers are still significantly more buggy and crash-prone than GeForce. This is me speaking as someone who just recently went from a RTX 2080 to a 7900XTX, not recounting how things were years ago. The 7900XTX is quick, but getting things to run smoothly is much more fiddly than it was with the 2080, which just worked.

Is this with undervolting? My 6950xt is absolutely fine on stock, but almost any kind of tinkering will result in light* instability.

*as in paint.net resetted the drivers once, and Rimworld did a very weird crash to desktop thing that seeming *almost* resetted the drivers.

The 7800x3d is on offer currently and is only £20 more than the 5800x3d. The 7800x3d is better (i believe) and still b550 compatible ? Thanks again

You need new motherboard and memory for that CPU. Honestly even a 5600 would be an upgrade.

you don't need a GPU upgrade. Just get yourself the 5800X3D (or 7800X3D, even) and wait till 4080 becomes <500 bucks on the aftermarket.

That could be a really long wait.

 

[Aken Bosch]

From my point of view the situation is simpler than it looks. Obsolete platform either way, I would bite the bullet, get an 7800X3D with a new motherboard and RAM kit and let the graphics card pass by a few more time.

The reason is what you're playing (CPU bottlenecked), and the fact that both 5xxx AMD and 12/13/14 Intel gen are dead in the water as upgradeability goes.

Nevermind that you'll also get a significant boost in FPS from the CPU alone with that 3080.

My 2 cents.

P.S. Oh, and you can save a few bucks from selling the old platform too, by the way.

 

[Macro Device]

That could be a really long wait.

3090 is almost there. Second hand 4080 will be under 500 in 2 to 5 years from now.

So now with DLSS balanced here you will be getting 70-80 FPS on a 3080... and then 7900xtx will be getting 60-70FPS with FSR quality with worse frametiming and slightly more artifacts. Same applies for Control, Atomic Heart, basically any DLSS game - the gap is alot closer than people realize with upscalers turned on.

I agree with you -- in raw performance the 7900xtx spanks the 3080, Starfield it's like 2-3x faster - but once you start dialing in settings on Nvidia games that gap starts shrinking and that's not a great feeling on a $900 upgrade.

Fair enough but it's still a limited list of games where AMD GPUs fail THAT hard. DLSS, sometimes, isn't even a factor because 7900 XTX provides 60+ FPS without upscaling. Ray tracing is currently too far from being a go-to option because it only covers a handful of locations and textures and drops framerates like no tomorrow (and with certain upscaling settings, it just looks fugly) so it's reasonable to semi-ignore the benefits of having an nVidia GPU in RT scenarios, as in "it is much better than AMD but it still sucks." That's why I consider 3080 a 7800 XT's competition (has DLSS and better in productivity VS a little faster raster and better energy efficiency).

OP, though, seems to be the person who doesn't care about RT. And still, they have no need to upgrade the GPU.

 

[evernessince]

The 7900XTX is a powerful card and good value for money, just know that Radeon drivers are still significantly more buggy and crash-prone than GeForce. This is me speaking as someone who just recently went from a RTX 2080 to a 7900XTX, not recounting how things were years ago. The 7900XTX is quick, but getting things to run smoothly is much more fiddly than it was with the 2080, which just worked.

On the flipside just had a nightmare setting a 3060 Ti system up for a client because the video card didn't like their monitor. Worked perfectly fine with a radeon card.

I think in general basing your opinion on one off subjective experiences is silly. No, Nvidia and AMD both have pretty stable drivers and I say that through the thousands of systems I've built over the years. It's mostly when you want all the bells and whistles that Nvidia wins out. You say you aren't trying scaremonger but that's 100% what you are doing.

Hello Forum

I'm looking to upgrade my cpu and gpu as my current system seems to be struggling with the 1440p triple screens for sim racing. Not struggling with the CPU really, more the GPU. Utilised between 80% - 95% depending on the track with high ram load

Current specs:
Ryzen 7 3700XT CPU
MSI B550 Tomahawk Motherboard
32GB Corsair 3600Mhz Ram
3080FE 10GB GPU
Corsair 850 Gold Plus power supper.

I've been looking @
Asrock Radeon RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming OC 24GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card paired with Ryzen 7 5800X3D.

They are currently on offer for £1225.00 for the pair which seems like good value compared to what i can get with a 4080/4090.

Thoughts ? opinions ? any advice welcome.

In terms of budget - I don't mind spending more than £1200 but ideally looking for 3/4 years gaming with it.

Thank you.

I'd say upgrade your platform and get a 7800X3D. Your GPU is already pretty good and there's a lot of performance to be had from getting the 7800X3D over the 5800X3D. You'll need to upgrade your entire platform to do so but that also means you'll be able to reap the benefits of that when you next decide to upgrade.

 

[phanbuey]

On the flipside just had a nightmare setting a 3060 Ti system up for a client because the video card didn't like their monitor. Worked perfectly fine with a radeon card.

I think in general basing your opinion on one off subjective experiences is silly. No, Nvidia and AMD both have pretty stable drivers and I say that through the thousands of systems I've built over the years. It's mostly when you want all the bells and whistles that Nvidia wins out. You say you aren't trying scaremonger but that's 100% what you are doing.

I agree with the second point you make, but sharing our experiences is kind of the point of the forum. This is someone who clearly owns a 7900xtx and a 5800x3d just went through the upgrade cycle to this very product. I think that's extremely relevant.

 

[evernessince]

I agree with the second point you make, but sharing our experiences is kind of the point of the forum. This is someone who clearly owns a 7900xtx and a 5800x3d just went through the upgrade cycle to this very product. I think that's extremely relevant.

They stated it as if it were fact and did not at all make it clear that it was their opinion until their 2nd post. "The 7900XTX is a powerful card and good value for money, just know that Radeon drivers are still significantly more buggy and crash-prone than GeForce" doesn't sound like sharing personal experience, it sounds like stating something as fact on something an enthusiast should know is hotly debated. The langauge they used was particularly strong as well, to say that AMD drivers are crash-prone is really on the fringe in terms of opinions. I've had a samsung SSD fail on me but that doesn't mean I go around telling people that Samsung SSDs fail prematurely, that's plain misleading. You need to explicitly state the scope, otherwise you are making a broad statement. You can see in the OP's immediately following statement it was clearly cause to concern them.

We do not need to make every thread that's even remotely related to GPUs into a driver pissing match that's been played out a trillion times before. That's bringing no value to the OP when we know for a fact that there is no conclusive answer to the question of whose's driver has more or less bugs. It's not an emperical metric and is often determental to actually helping the OP. The only actual metric of "quality" we have is RMA rate, of which AMD and Nvidia are about equal. We found this out during the whole fake AMD die cracking fiasco that tunred out to be a big nothing burger.

On that note that's the last I'll speak of the topic as this is derailing the conversation.

 

[dgianstefani]

7800X3D, 4080/4090.

A die ram, (team group 7200). Tune it to 6000/26 TRFC <150ns.

Apply 102 bclk for locked 5100+ and 6150

5800X3D/4070Ti if no budget.

 

[Ruru]

hmm ok that's interesting reference the issues with Radeon drivers. I've never experienced them so thought they couldn't be that bad. I'm not a particularly tech-savy so your comments concern me

Never had any issues myself and I've been an user since the ATI days.

 

[Frick]

5800X3D/4070Ti if no budget.

Absolutely wild that €1000+ for a GPU and CPU is considered "no budget".

 

[dgianstefani]

Absolutely wild that €1000+ for a GPU and CPU is considered "no budget".

OP stated £1225 in his original post.

If you apply some thought, you may realise that the statement applies to "no bigger budget for the more expensive parts just suggested".