Upgrade cpu or gpu

[gasolin]

vega strix cards were crap.
must've been some issue with contact area cause 1080ti strix was one of the coolest and quietest ones.

Not 1070 ti or 1080 or both (can't remember if i had both in the strix version) on the other hand the gtx 1070 i oced the crap out of it, it was extremely quiet

Just a heads up, dunno if we're looking at the same Asus Dual 2060, but the one I've seen is three slots wide.

Edit: Oh you meant 1070..

Can't see the size ASUS GeForce RTX 2060 DUAL

 

[mstenholm]

Not 1070 ti or 1080 or both (can't remember if i had both in the strix version) on the other hand the gtx 1070 i oced the crap out of it, it was extremely quiet



Can't see the size ASUS GeForce RTX 2060 DUAL

From the link - 2.7-Slot Design
No the Ventus doesn't have 0% fan but you will not hear it when it is in idle mode.

 

[gasolin]

It's okay i have no harddrive bays in my fractal desing r6

My mb ASUS TUF Z370-PRO GAMING

 

[SL2]

Can't see the size ASUS GeForce RTX 2060 DUAL

I saw the pics here. https://geizhals.eu/asus-dual-gefor....html?hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=eu&hloc=pl&hloc=uk

 

[mstenholm]

It's okay i have no harddrive bays in my fractal desing r6

Sorry that was an reply to what? The width of the Asus or the noise level of the Ventus. Either is relevant for hard-drive trays.

 

[gasolin]

Msi is 42mm asus 58 mm thick,high call it what ypu want (58mm 2.7 slot) , i guess i have to go with that asus card because the heatsink is higher, right?

Sorry that was an reply to what? The width of the Asus or the noise level of the Ventus. Either is relevant for hard-drive trays.

I have a fractal design r6 case and no harddrive bays, this case can handle a noctua nh-d15 which is a big cooler and with no harddrive bays it means i have alot of space for a gpu so a big 3 slot gpu won't be a problem

ASUS GeForce RTX 2060 DUAL is ordered

 

[mstenholm]

Msi is 42mm asus 58 mm thick,high call it what ypu want (58mm 2.7 slot) , i guess i have to go with that asus card because the heatsink is higher, right?



I have a fractal design r6 case and no harddrive bays, this case can handle a noctua nh-d15 which is a big cooler and with no harddrive bays it means i have alot of space for a gpu so a big 3 slot gpu won't be a problem

How do you put your GPUs into a MB? What is interesting is the length of the GPU. Too long and it will interfere with hard-drive bays. It dosen't matter if it is a one, two or 2.7 slot GPU.

 

[gasolin]

Sorry that was an reply to what? The width of the Asus or the noise level of the Ventus. Either is relevant for hard-drive trays.

Size asus relative to cabinet size

 

[SL2]

Msi is 42mm asus 58 mm thick,high call it what ypu want (58mm 2.7 slot) , i guess i have to go with that asus card because the heatsink is higher, right?

Possibly, although Asus Dual 1660 on the other hand has the cheapest crap HS ever, so even if the Dual 2060 has a decent one, don't expect it to be great because of the size. It's Asus lowest priced 2060 after all.

Edit: But yeah, it looks good, at least. Could be quiet as well, at least with with the right fans.

 

[gasolin]

How do you put your GPUs into a MB? What is interesting is the length of the GPU. Too long and it will interfere with hard-drive bays. It dosen't matter if it is a one, two or 2.7 slot GPU.

There is no harddrive bays, it's a big case define r6, i did mention i have had a asus gtx 1070 strix

Once had an amd HD7970 matrix, that was a big 3 slot cards (not a fractal define case)

Possibly, although Asus Dual 1660 on the other hand has the cheapest crap HS ever, so even if the Dual 2060 has a decent one, don't expect it to be great because of the size. It's Asus lowest priced 2060 after all.

Edit: But yeah, it looks good, at least. Could be quiet as well, at least with with the right fans.

I guess it's a 2.7 slot card because of the heatsink not the fans.

Msi ventus i think is equal to the old armor which also isn't top of the pop

If i had more money or willing to spend what a rtx 2070 with a disocunt costs, i might also have to buy a faster cpu, what is the point of buying a rtx 2070 (or something with the performance of a gtx 1080 ti) if i only would get something like 90% of the performance out of the card because i have to upgrade my cpu?

I think an i5 8400 starts to be the limiting factor if you have something as fast as a gtx 1080 ti or rtx 2070 (not to think of if you also stream in 1080p 60 fps or atleast want to)

Also theres 2 games wíth the card (nothing with a gtx 1660 ti), i could have gone for the gtx 1660 ti BUT that cards is only $76 cheaper. i get far cry dawn and 1 of 3 games bfv, anthem or metro exodus with a rtx 2060.

Im not close to have finished bf 1 so i think i would be Metro exodus, i have the 2 metro games before metro exodus so metro exodus won't be so bad, alone the graphics is impressive the few times i have seen a trailer for the game, might beat crysis 3

 

[SL2]

You seem quite underwhelmed with your CPU? I've always thought the 8400 and similar was quite decent for gaming, and this review says the same (with a 1080).
AFAIK, you'll gain a lot more from upgrading the GPU.

I guess you've read the review? Or has the games become more taxing in the last 17 months?

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_8400/


With a 1080 Ti, the 8700K is 3.15 % faster at 1920 x 1080 than the 8400,
and the 9900K is 5.15 % faster than the 8400.

 

[gasolin]

You seem quite underwhelmed with your CPU? I've always thought the 8400 and similar was quite decent for gaming, and this review says the same (with a 1080).
AFAIK, you'll gain a lot more from upgrading the GPU.

I guess you've read the review? Or has the games become more taxing in the last 17 months?

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_8400/
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With a 1080 Ti, the 8700K is 3.15 % faster at 1920 x 1080 than the 8400,
and the 9900K is 5.15 % faster than the 8400.
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Stock speed?

Gpu z renser test under 30% fan speed (stock fan curve), couldn't hear it, after a few sec the card was 58-60 c, atm the card with low load is at 47 c hot, rx 580 under normal load,multitasking could easily be 60c hot, can enable g sync (have freesync monitors) with so fare no side effect (sorry for the dust)

I played grid 2 all maxed out gpu only used 60-80% , fps was okay but such a low usage of my gpu i don't think i have enough power from my cpu to get max performance out of the card, right?

Update i maxed aaa in grid 2 and got 160-170 fps or higher stock aa and all other settiong at max i got around 140 fps but still low gpu usage

Project cars 2 i got limited in gpu usage, vsync was on (strange i didn't install geforce experince, which i have to do to get the free game) vsync of i got 97-99% usage of my gpu i set graphics from mostely medium, to high and got spot on fps 130-140.

In was affraid i had to spend money on a i5 9600k or down grade to a gtx 1660 ti to get max performance out of my card (97-99% usage)

Fans in project cars 2 are running with a silent breeze and around 67 c with stock fan curve, which is pretty good since i have almost with every card i have had, could make it more silent with a custom fan curve.

Possibly, although Asus Dual 1660 on the other hand has the cheapest crap HS ever, so even if the Dual 2060 has a decent one, don't expect it to be great because of the size. It's Asus lowest priced 2060 after all.

Edit: But yeah, it looks good, at least. Could be quiet as well, at least with with the right fans.

It's surprisingly good

I have now used the card with 3 games where one where allready maxed out except for aaa, one i set the graphics from medium to high and didnt notice any wow that looks better effect and shadow od the tomb raider wasnt close to 144hz at high setting, i couldn't even get as i remember 100 fps on high, i think i might need a rtx 2070 for the change to be noticeable since medium vs high and 140 vs 200 fps isnt any beneficial upgrade upgrade for me since freesync sometimes mediun graphic setting and other times ultra (rx 580) is enought to make game run smooth.

What i want to do more is look into further undervolting of my sapphire rx 580 nitro + 4gb

 

[SL2]

Stock speed?

Yeah, it's all stock speed unless it says otherwise.

I'd guess Grid 2 is too old to really push your GPU, and I'm not sure a 9900K would change that.

The benchmarks tell us the same thing about the 9600K; there's no point in upgrading from a 8400.

 

[eidairaman1]

From the link - 2.7-Slot Design
No the Ventus doesn't have 0% fan but you will not hear it when it is in idle mode.

Rounds up to 3

You seem quite underwhelmed with your CPU? I've always thought the 8400 and similar was quite decent for gaming, and this review says the same (with a 1080).
AFAIK, you'll gain a lot more from upgrading the GPU.

I guess you've read the review? Or has the games become more taxing in the last 17 months?

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_8400/
View attachment 119577

With a 1080 Ti, the 8700K is 3.15 % faster at 1920 x 1080 than the 8400,
and the 9900K is 5.15 % faster than the 8400.
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Because the 1080ti is meant for 1440, 2K and just barely makes it in 4K

 

[gasolin]

I vill try more undervolting and oc my ram on my rx 580, the rtx 2060 wasn't fast enough

Also try to change my fan curve to get to be more silent,quiet

 

[SL2]

Because the 1080ti is meant for 1440, 2K and just barely makes it in 4K

The 9900K review happened to use a 1080 Ti, not much I could do about that. Ether way, it doesn't suggest that upgrading from a 8400 is worth it.

 

[Fizban]

I live in europe, lets compare and convert in to $

Im expecting to get $181 for sapphire rx 580 nitro + 4gb.

I think we have to use cards with 2 fans since i want good cooling.

Cheapest non asus,evga,msi i could imagine buying is a Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 OC rev. 2.0 less than 1 week delivery $447

Cheapest 2 fan card i could imagine i would buy is a Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 Ti WINDFORCE OC 6G or ASUS DUAL-GTX1660TI-O6G for about $364 (gigabyte a little cheaper)

Difference between Gtx 1660 ti and RTX 2060.

wolfenstein 2 20 fps
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_1660_Ti_Gaming_X/27.html

Difference in Shadow of the tomb raider 20 fps
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_1660_Ti_Gaming_X/24.html

is it worth spending $70-80 on a RTX 2060 instead of the the Gtx 1660 ti?

I did se the i5 8400 in the first video in #4 being used sometime more than 90%

Here in 2560x1440 the difference is less than 20 fps

Here the difference is often around 10-15 fps in about half of the games in 1080p

If i can find a used i5 8600k or even i7 8700 and buy a new gtx 1660 ti would cost about the same as a only upgrading to a RTX 2060 (i would of course sell my cpu/gpu if i upgrade both, if i only upgrade one thing i would of course only sell my cpu or gpu)

The thing is a 2060 with a i5-8400 is going to provide superior performance to a 1660 TI and a 8600k or 8700. The CPU upgrade is going to make virtually no difference.

 

[gasolin]

Im not gonna buy anýthing atm unless i can get something faster then a rtx 2060 or a cheap (half price) used i5 8600k or 9600k or mabye wait untill ryzen 3

 

[Fizban]

Yeah, if all games start using Vulkan you'll he golden. I'm guessing saving up money for the specific 2060 you want isn't ideal considering you're listing the cheapest models. If you think the 1660 ti performance will make you happy go for it just have some expectations that with next years games it may no longer cut it especially with something like Cyberpunk 2077. I'm personally waiting for the 3000 series because the 2000 series isn't overly impressive to me coming from Pascal. Although I may unfortunately have to stick a 2080 in a ryzen 3000 system I'm doing in the around it's launch.

Saying a 1660 TI "won't cut it" for Cyberpunk 2077 seems absurd. It will certainly play the game fine at 1080P at at least medium-high settings, likely at Ultra. Sure, it probably won't cut it for 1440P and certainly not for 4K, but that should be a given, no one should be buying a 1660 TI with expectations of 4K gaming.

 

[gasolin]

I played shadow of the tomb raider, unfortunally im stil at a place i don't know where to go.

I think settings is high, i don't get more then around 80 fps not close to 100 fps with a rtx 2060

 

[eidairaman1]

I played shadow of the tomb raider, unfortunally im stil at a place i don't know where to go.

I think settings is high, i don't get more then around 80 fps not close to 100 fps with a rtx 2060

80 is plenty

 

[gasolin]

I have a 144hz monitor

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I have a 144hz monitor

Not even a 2080 ti can do 1080p/144hz/ultra lol in SOTTR

 

[gasolin]

Im not talking about ultra in SOTTR

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Im not talking about ultra in SOTTR

Even at high you'd likely not get a solid 144hz at 1080p with a 1080 ti/2080.