Upgrade for i7 3930K?

[Dux]

I decided to upgrade from my i7 3930K CPU. Which requires a new MBO and RAM. Which CPU do you think would be a good upgrade? I am fine with either intel or AMD. I do a lot of Twitch streaming so video encoding capabilities are important. Thank you.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

What is your budget?

 

[27MaD]

But why ? that's a 6C/12T i7.

 

[phill]

I decided to upgrade from my i7 3930K CPU. Which requires a new MBO and RAM. Which CPU do you think would be a good upgrade? I am fine with either intel or AMD. I do a lot of Twitch streaming so video encoding capabilities are important. Thank you.

Is there anything that your current system isn't doing or are you noticing slow downs etc in the things it is doing?

 

[Maban]

But why ? that's a 6C/12T i7.

I have one and my reasons are heat, power, no native USB 3, only two native SATA 6Gb/s ports, limited (non-existent?) NVMe boot support, X79 boards are going on seven years now, and while the chip is still capable, it just doesn't have the IPC today's CPUs have.

 

[Vario]

I would need to know how many threads you typically use to be able to make a recommendation. What types of things do you use the computer for? What is your budget?

I have one and my reasons are heat, power, no native USB 3, only two native SATA 6Gb/s ports, limited (non-existent?) NVMe boot support, X79 boards are going on seven years now, and while the chip is still capable, it just doesn't have the IPC today's CPUs have.

Yep that thing is old, no reason not to replace it but more information is needed.

 

[Dux]

Can't quite handle gaming and x264 streaming. Even on very fast CPU preset i get encoding overload warning in OBS. I need something more capable. Which is especially the case since windows 10 1809 update. I think they fracked something up.

 

[Vya Domus]

it just doesn't have the IPC today's CPUs have.

IPC hasn't been improved much at all, neither the power consumption since core counts and clocks have skyrocketed.

 

[Vario]

Can't quite handle gaming and x264 streaming. Even on very fast CPU preset i get encoding overload warning in OBS. I need something more capable. Which is especially the case since windows 10 1809 update. I think they fracked something up.

I'd do a 2700X or 8700K or 9700K or 9900K. Depends on your budget.

 

[micropage7]

what about something like dual processor board like
ASUS Z10PE-D8 WS

 

[Dux]

How much do you think i could sell my i7 3930K and ASUS Rampage IV Formula for?

 

[phill]

I'd do a 2700X or 8700K or 9700K or 9900K. Depends on your budget.

I'd agree here. Although I think the Intel side of things are just still too pricey for the performance. But if you have the spare cash, then why not. I think I'd still go with the 2700X, 32Gb ram, 1080 ish area of GPU and some nice fast storage.
As @Vario has mentioned as I had, we'd need more information to help out properly.

 

[Vya Domus]

X79 kits are still pretty expensive, but I am not sure many would want them. Nowadays you can get a 6c/12t system, new, for pretty damn cheap.

 

[phill]

How much do you think i could sell my i7 3930K and ASUS Rampage IV Formula for?

I'd keep it as a spare or use it for dedicated streaming PC or something. Given most of the 3930k's I read about can do 4.5Ghz or more, I'm sure it'll be more than up to the job if it was just doing that one thing

 

[Vario]

If its anything like the W3680 I have, its very dated compared to my 8600K.

 

[EarthDog]

Well... clearly 6c/12t isn't cutting it so a 2700x or 9900k is about the minimum on the mainstream side to be an upgrade. 9700k is similar or a step back. 8700k is the same thing with slight increase in IP, but higher clocks.

Dude needs an amd with 8c/16t or the more expensive and slightly faster (in most tests) Intel equivalent. Ive seen a lot of streaming and gaming benchmarks and the AMD CPUs seemed to excel here... this is a no brainer AMD CPU choice to me...maybe even a TR 2920X.. that or build two systems. The streamer doesn't have to be beefy at all.

 

[mouacyk]

You just missed out on the $300 E5 1680 V2 Xeons. These can hold 4.5-4.6GHz for 24/7 with 8 cores and 16 threads. Keep an eye on E-bay, and they may come back.

 

[Vario]

Well... clearly 6c/12t isn't cutting it so a 2700x or 9900k is about the minimum on the mainstream side to be an upgrade. 9700k is similar or a step back. 8700k is the same thing with slight increase in IP, but higher clocks.

Dude needs an amd with 8c/16t or the more expensive and slightly faster (in most tests) Intel equivalent. Ive seen a lot of streaming and gaming benchmarks and the AMD CPUs seemed to excel here... this is a no brainer AMD CPU choice to me...maybe even a TR 2920X.. that or build two systems. The streamer doesn't have to be beefy at all.

I have no problems gaming and streaming with an 8600K. I think single thread speed is important if gaming is what he does. Also you can run higher ram frequencies with Intel.
But if his budget is really the determinant, if its ~$300 than the 2700X is the obvious choice.

 

[EarthDog]

Right... but we are talking about a worthwhile upgrade. Why have half the threads he started with when the budget seems to allow for more? The extra threads makes up for the small difference in IPC I would imagine. If he is keen on saving money and you say a 6c/6t CPU cuts it when his slightly slower 6c/12t CPU isn't, that is a good base.

 

[Vario]

How much do you think i could sell my i7 3930K and ASUS Rampage IV Formula for?

Probably $250 for the pair as a bundle. You also need to sell the DDR3 and buy DDR4.

Here is a streamer benchmark comparison that includes 2700x and 8700K:
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwrevie...w-game-streaming-cpu-benchmarks-memory/page-2
Another benchmark showing newer Intels and AMDs for x264
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13400/intel-9th-gen-core-i9-9900k-i7-9700k-i5-9600k-review/8

Benchmarks would make the case for an i9-9900K.

How about
i9-9900K
AsRock Z390 Taichi Ultimate
GSkill Tridentz 2x16GB F4-3200C16D-32GTZKW
XPG 8200 Pro 1TB SSD

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/92DwnH

 

[Dux]

Meh. I'll probably wait for Zen 2. Waited so long. So i'll get one of those with double digit core counts. No point in buying that overpriced i9 9900k if Zen 2 will have pretty much the same IPC at lower price.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Well... clearly 6c/12t isn't cutting it so a 2700x or 9900k is about the minimum on the mainstream side to be an upgrade. 9700k is similar or a step back. 8700k is the same thing with slight increase in IP, but higher clocks.

Dude needs an amd with 8c/16t or the more expensive and slightly faster (in most tests) Intel equivalent. Ive seen a lot of streaming and gaming benchmarks and the AMD CPUs seemed to excel here... this is a no brainer AMD CPU choice to me...maybe even a TR 2920X.. that or build two systems. The streamer doesn't have to be beefy at all.

much misinformation going on here.look at gamersnexus in-depth video analysis of streaming performance, 8700k is a better cpu for streaming than 2700x.
here 8700k stock delivers 34% more frames than stock 1700. Compare 8700k oc vs 2700x and the difference will be the same.

here is a direct comparison, 8700k 5ghz delivers 38% more frames than 2700x

8700k/9700k will be a huge upgrade over 3930k.
even 8600k will be faster than 3930k
https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/test_procesora_intel_core_i7_8700k_premiera_coffee_lake?page=0,29
look at 2600k, 8700k is 2.16x faster in video encoding, 8600k is 1.77x faster. You think only in terms of moar cores.

 

[EarthDog]

Good info. However this is simply streaming by itself, not streaming and gaming at the same time, right?

Perhaps I went off old YT links too.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Good info. However this is simply streaming by itself, not streaming and gaming at the same time, right?

Perhaps I went off old YT links too.

what ?

it says player-side fps over 10 minutes, it's your avg. fps over 10 minutes of streaming a game

 

[EarthDog]

5ghz 8700k vs stock 2700x?