Upgrade from a AMD AM3+ to AM4 or AM5 chipset MB running W10?

[Deleted member 245263]

I migrated a bare-metal installation of Windows 11 and Linux Slackware from Haswell LGA1150 to AM5 without any problems. I only changed the CPU, RAM, and motherboard.

I think I had to reinstall GRUB to NVRAM and did it using Windows CMD, PowerShell, or whatever it was.

The Windows 11 installation worked fine, but since I rarely booted it, it was always performing updates and eventually broke on its own a couple of months later.

I didn’t use Arch at the time—I use Arch now, by the way. I rsynced it from a slower SSD to a faster one without any problems.

 

[mb194dc]

My 3770K feels like a calculator compared to my modern rigs.

Edit:

Wait.. calculators are pretty snappy.. nvm

My 4790k and 5800x3d are pretty identical in daily usage I'd say. Both of windows 10 enterprise ltsc 2021.

 

[videobruce]

I'll have to digest most of that..............
Since it was brought up, cost is a issue (within reason). BUT, there is no way I would spend $1k
I would re-use the case and possibly the PS. I don't know about the video card, I would like to see how the new system would preform with it over the existing system. Worse case I would swap the card later.

 

[de.das.dude]

i did the same and had zero issues. both systems are running!

 

[dgianstefani]

AM4 is a bit more efficient at idle, boots faster, cheaper.

AM5 is more modern.

 

[videobruce]

since you hate windows 10 and 11, you have no choice but to learn linux

But, I hated almost every other version except W2000.
I have tried Linux Peppermint many years ago. It didn't cut it due to lack of hardware support (printers) and specific programs., pretty much the sane as most others reported.

 

[inquisitor1]

well you know whats good for you. I found my path.

Since it was brought up, cost is a issue (within reason). BUT, there is no way I would spend $1k

am4 is for you.

 

[videobruce]

There is that much difference between AM4 and AM5 MB's and the different processors?? No, I haven't gotten that far to look at prices, it's on my list. Since the MB is the most important component, I'm asking about these.

 

[blinnbanir]

If you use WIFI most AM5 boards come with Wifi 7. That is not recognized in W10.

 

[videobruce]

Since you're still suffering an FX processor (the worst performing processor line in easily 20 years),

And that was decided by just who?? I researched my choices by price vs performance. It was a big improvement over what I had at the time.

I don't think this dude has the faintest clue how obsolete his computer is at this point.

Dude??
You are the one that doesn't have the "faintest clue" what I know starting with what and how I use the PC other than my mention of video editing.
Other than speed, what exactly will a new system do that is grossly different than what it does now? All those 'gimmicks' that these post-teenagers play with with their toy phones and wireless everything are all useless to me. And lest not forget all those vidiot games. Ply much Duke-Nuk-em lately?

 

[blinnbanir]

And that was decided by just who?? I researched my choices by price vs performance. It was a big improvement over what I had at the time.


Dude??
You are the one that doesn't have the "faintest clue" what I know starting with what and how I use the PC other than my mention of video editing.
Other than speed, what exactly will a new system do that is grossly different than what it does now? All those 'gimmicks' that these post-teenagers play with with their toy phones and wireless everything are all useless to me. And lest not forget all those vidiot games. Ply much Duke-Nuk-em lately?

I was on Reddit today, you know what is different about TPU? There are about 5-7 users that have a serious anti AMD crusade. Any AMD thread has them liking each others comments and goalposts are constantly moved. I thought TPU was more grown up than that but included is an actual Staff member. If I am lying you can delete this and my account.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

2 pages pointless dribble.

There's no reason to consider AM4 EOL hardware.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I was on Reddit today, you know what is different about TPU? There are about 5-7 users that have a serious anti AMD crusade. Any AMD thread has them liking each others comments and goalposts are constantly moved. I thought TPU was more grown up than that but included is an actual Staff member. If I am lying you can delete this and my account.

I... just literally recommended an all-AMD system to this person. Pointing out the painfully obvious (FX was, and is a bad platform) does not make me an "AMD hater".

All those 'gimmicks' that these post-teenagers play with with their toy phones and wireless everything are all useless to me. And lest not forget all those vidiot games. Ply much Duke-Nuk-em lately?

Why are you so combative? You could have perfectly said that was more than you intended to spend on the upgrade and I would have helped you find something that matches your criteria. There are many cheaper all-AMD systems than that one and frankly, pretty much any of them would serve you well, including the previous generation platform other people recommended in the thread.

Considered you got upset by my assumption, it begs the singular question: do you really need an upgrade and do you even want an upgrade?

George R.R. Martin typed out the Game of Thrones books in WordStar 4.0 for DOS. If it gets your job done, then there's no need to waste your time with an upgrade. If we're really going that route, then please show a level of maturity that befits your age.

 

[A Computer Guy]

This is a AMD (which I have run since 1999) based system.
I was told (from a long time reliable source who set me up w/ my 1st PC in '99) it would be better to upgrade from a AM3+ to a AM4 chipset than the current AM5 due to possible hardware driver issues running W10 (either missing or not compatible due to more changes with M$ tiring to force one to move to W11).

I do NOT have any interest with W11, W10 is bad enough! I'm currently running W7. What do you guys think?

Everyone is already talking about Win10 vs. Win11 issues so I'll skip that.

I think the number one issue you need to decide is the budget your going to throw at your new build. Just about any modern Intel or AMD in the past few years is going to run circles around what you probably have now just based on age 1999. Sub $1000 budget you still have a lot of good options but you will probably need to more carefully pick and choose where you want to place the most value depending on the platform.

From other posts you are going to possibly reuse the

• case
  • what case do you have?
• power supply
  • how old is it now? personally I would get a new one for your new PC especially if you need a modern GPU.

Perhaps start some lists with PC Part Picker to get a feel for platform costs between AM4 and AM5. (you can probably get some good deals with Intel 12th, 13th, and 14th gen too so I wouldn't count them out and of course Intel's iGPU has been touted for years regarding video encoding)

You mentioned video editing which is very specific and if that's a primary consideration you will probably want to first start with what parts will be most impactful to that work that will get you the most satisfaction. Some questions that come to mind...

• What hardware will help you most with video editing? (your software may have specific recommendations)
  • CPU?
  • GPU?
• What storage requirements do you need to fulfill that go hand in hand with video editing?
  • Mass storage (HDD) vs. Speed (SSD)?
  • Quantity?

At this point my feeling is there is not much cost advantage going with AM4 from a price to performance perspective but the older platform shines in a few spots one being X570 has more plentiful expansion card layouts and supporting 128GB doesn't seem to be as much of a problem with the right motherboard.

AM5 has iGPU built into the CPU mainstream lineup and official ECC RAM support so that might be helpful depending on your needs. With the right motherboard you could sport 6 monitors with a 2 port motherboard video and 4 port GPU video. The platform often supports numerous M.2 for SSD's at the expense of expansion card support. Overall the motherboard are more expensive that prior generation AM4 but overall quality is significantly better too especially in the VRM department if you want a high core count CPU. AM4/AM5 enjoys CPU core uniformity (no big.little issues) outside dual CCD chips with X3D gaming issues. DDR5 can be had cheaply now ( except ECC is still considerably expensive ) and there are plentiful motherboards at the lower and mid range that are good enough for 16 core CPU's in the $150 to $200 range.

In the used market the you could probably get a decent entire AM4 system (motherboard, CPU, RAM) for $400-$500. I snagged a 5950x + X570 and water block combo for about that much last year. It was a great buy for what I use it for.

( edit #134... )

Just a random thought....since your system is so old you can probably even get a complete 1st or 2nd Gen 16 core Threadripper system from ebay for around $500 but be warned all the modern AM5 would run circles around them. So nevermind I guess unless you need multiple x16 slots and a lot of I/O.

 

[freeagent]

included is an actual Staff member.

I dont hate AMD.. look at my sig, it is based on them. I have not used their modern GPUs. And those guys were trolling every thread, every chance they got. Sorry if you feel offended.

 

[videobruce]

2 pages pointless dribble.

There's no reason to consider AM4 EOL hardware.

Yes, your post is pointless. I guess cost isn't a issue with you??

 

[Dr. Dro]

I dont hate AMD.. look at my sig, it is based on them. I have not used their modern GPUs. And those guys were trolling every thread, every chance they got. Sorry if you feel offended.

I think that person is talking about @dgianstefani, not you, mate.

There was no trolling in this thread though, that's for sure. Perhaps somewhat impolite (although... one would argue, probably somewhat warranted given what Bulldozer is) to assume that OP had no clue about how out of date their PC is, but if that was not the case to begin with, then it's pretty much cut and dry inconsequential - they're either honestly looking for an upgrade or not. I'm not above apologizing if they took offense to it, none was meant. No use getting angry because someone said their PC was old and performed poorly.

If $1K is a lot to them, that's understandable too - I made up a list for a pretty respectable midrange PC based on all-AMD components as a proposal. If they don't like it, or can't afford it... like, communicate that fact. I'm too old for drama, and so should be the OP!

 

[freeagent]

I think that person is talking about

Ahaha.. ahh..

Well that might just be me being sensitiff then

 

[Deleted member 245263]

My 4790k and 5800x3d are pretty identical in daily usage I'd say. Both of windows 10 enterprise ltsc 2021.

Well, yes, I expected more from jumping from a 4670K to a 7700x. Sure, apps load faster, clicks feel more responsive, and games gained 20-30% more FPS, but it’s not groundbreaking.

The real necessity came from virtual machine addiction, and in that regard, it is truly an upgrade.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Yes, your post is pointless. I guess cost isn't a issue with you??

Sure it isnt. Totally full of point. EOL stands for end of life.
AM4 is EOL. DDR4 is EOL.

There are plenty of budget minded build options on modern hardware.

Cost an issue? Perhaps I view this differently than yourself.

Example, a 9600X is 225$ and is 25% faster with 2 less cores and 4 less threads than a 5800X. Sure the 5800X is less money, but less productive and costs more to operate.

Each DDR generation upgrade produces 50% bandwidth increase. There are plenty of DDR5 kits that are budget friendly. That includes motherboards.

I also understand that nothing gets cheaper as time moves on. In my own life, my income has been increasing. And so does the product I purchase.

Food for thought, I use less electricity today than I did 20 years ago. My bill is higher today than it's ever been even though my appliances and lighting is vastly more effecient than ever.

225$ is a lot for a 9600X? Back when I built a FX-55 rig brand new, the cpu was at least double that cost. I could have gotten the 3200+ Venice core at 600mhz less speed for 200 bucks. That's talking the year 2005.

In short, you get a lot more computer today than you did 20 years ago for similar price. Mind you thats FX-55 had MSRP of 800$.

 

[freeagent]

Mind you thats FX-55 had MSRP of 800$.

I think I paid 465 USD for my 4400+ Toledo that I ran at FX speeds.. good times

Same with my Sandy 3700+, that bad girl gave me my first taste of 3GHz

 

[ShrimpBrime]

I think I paid 465 USD for my 4400+ Toledo that I ran at FX speeds.. good times

Same with my Sandy 3700+, that bad girl gave me my first taste of 3GHz

The slap in the face was discovering the Opteron 165 dual core for less money would had been a better purchase. I was so mad at the lack of research I had done... lol.

 

[DaemonForce]

Server 2022 is based on a different codebase, which is not 10 and neither 11. It may have its own set of issues and bright points, I'd love to see more discussion about that, but there's basically none.

Yeah. By the time we get to it, 2025 picks up all the DC momentum but I'll still be here, on 10. With my data, not locked out by updates.

-Most AM5 boards offer lacking PCIe slot expansion
-Intel BE200 WiFi will not work on AM5 platform

This one is hilarious for a number of reasons. Other than miner boards, AM3+ has the most strategic lanes for maximum PCI-E component loadout.
Fairly sure AM4 was supposed to be like this but it never happened. Instead we got hamfisted Intel networking on AM4 and whatever on AM5.

it's a 'complete' platform. It's only going to exist and be supported for however long AMD keeps up AM4 Embedded.

inb4 the next ##00AF drops...But 8c X3D and 12c SKUs are still wildly competitive

That's another thing. AMD is keeping AM4 breathing with new SKUs once in a while and if it feels weird, that's because it is.
AM4 is EOL but not done, especially if this keeps happening.

If you're on a Phenom II or other AM3, FX prices look really good too.

I have a FX-8370 BE but paid less than $170 for mine and would recommend you guys stick to the $40-70 mark for 8c.
I'll get dogpiled for buying one in 2018, dogpiled by clowns saying it's S-L-O-W and for whatever use case I throw at it.
Doesn't matter. FX democratized 8c and enabled peripheral maxxing. I cannot reasonably rack my R5 3600 and load it with:
More than 4 HDDs, a video capture card, dedicated workstation/NVENC card, non-RAID M.2, PCI-E/SAS SSD, 10GbE SFP...
That is ultimately the destiny of FX. It can deal. It really was future-proof, just not in the way people expected it to be.
Anything less is simply paid to exist and unless it's sipping power, you don't NEED that. Load up those FX boards.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Example, a 9600X is 225$ and is 25% faster with 2 less cores and 4 less threads than a 5800X. Sure the 5800X is less money, but less productive and costs more to operate.

Just FYI, I just saw NewEgg has a bundled deal free 500GB SSD with purchase of 9600x.

 

[blinnbanir]

I dont hate AMD.. look at my sig, it is based on them. I have not used their modern GPUs. And those guys were trolling every thread, every chance they got. Sorry if you feel offended.

I did not mean you. I have had good convos with you.