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Thermalright makes some great stuff I like the Phantom spirit 120 evo. Noctua is awesome but the prices have gotten out of hand for what they offer vs the competition.


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Thermalright makes some great stuff I like the Phantom spirit 120 evo. Noctua is awesome but the prices have gotten out of hand for what they offer vs the competition.


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That's when new.

Noctua fans have >150,000 MTBF and a six year warranty. During my time with noctua fans I've noticed literally no performance or acoustic differences over five plus years. Can't say the same for other brands.

That testing also doesn't account for tonality.

 
That's when new.

Noctua fans have >150,000 MTBF and a six year warranty. During my time with noctua fans I've noticed literally no performance or acoustic differences over five plus years. Can't say the same for other brands.

That testing also doesn't account for tonality.

That's a good point. My NH-D14 has never given me issues with the fans. I never used anything Thermalright, so I can't say if they'll last for too long. That reminds me I should check my Fractal Design R2 case fans. They are getting a bit old and don't sound like they used to. The case has a switch for 5/7/12v but I've noticed they stop spinning at 5v.
 

Allows you to add a matched kit at a later date, if for some reason you want 256 GB. @ir_cow got 4x 64 running at 4400 MT and 2x 64 at 6400.
Haven't tried it again, but that was on a MSI PRO B860M-A WiFi for the 256GB as it was the only 4-slot 1851 Socket motherboard I had. I can see 4800 MT/s being possible too.

For now 64GB could be enough. I still can't find where to buy "Crucial 64GB Kit (32GBx2) DDR5-6400 CUDIMM".
For now I'll move my eyes away from a new GPU... for now...
https://www.crucial.com/memory/ddr5/CT2K64G64C52CU5 . Seems a bit pricey because it is the "highest speed". DDR5-5600 is much cheaper and Kingston has some as well. @igormp is running 256GB as well for 9950X I believe.
 
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The ASRock Z890 Riptide is the cheapest board I can find with some good upgrades compared to others in that price range. ASRock Z890 Steel Legend and MSI Z890 Tomahawk seem to be one step down in price and features.
 
What about the ASRock Z890 Pro RS? Or the Pro-A/wifi?
Those have less M.2 and weaker vrm. I generally avoid the super cheap asrock boards. Starting with steel legend and up, they get better and are more competitive on features. The Taichi and nova boards are better, but that's where they get expensive.
 
My NH-D14 has never given me issues with the fans.
The fans were the shittiest part of my D14. They were loud!

No problem with Thermalright, Asus, or Phanteks fans so far.
 
My first choice (as VFM) would be Raptor Lake, but with current pricing 265k seems unbeatable. More or less I made the same suggestions about motherboards on an older thread. If the Asus ProArt is too expensive, a MSI Z890 Tomahawk or even cheaper MSI boards like the pro Z890-P, are good alternatives (with less features than the ProArt of course). Unfortunately I don’t have any knowledge about Asrock for Intel CPUs.
On AMD, 9700x looks like the best choice and I think some X670 boards offer better connectivity and expandability, with lower RAM speeds though.
 
The fans were the shittiest part of my D14. They were loud!

No problem with Thermalright, Asus, or Phanteks fans so far.

Not a fan of the older Noctua 140mm fans either but if the new 140mm are as good as the A12X25 then they could be worth the premium. Personally I like the T30-120 better than the A12X25 but that is only because they are way more versatile and they daisy chain.

Most LCP fans are going to be pretty decent though but they typically cost double sometimes even more than non LCP fans.
 
What about the ASRock Z890 Pro RS? Or the Pro-A/wifi?
ASUS/MSI have the only tolerable BIOS and reliable/regular updates IMO, and of this two ASUS is better. My last three ASUS boards get new stable releases pretty much every month, for years after release. ASRock is really good on paper for the money, but depending on the board, BIOSes often late and I can't stand the layout.

Not a fan of the older Noctua 140mm fans either but if the new 140mm are as good as the A12X25 then they could be worth the premium. Personally I like the T30-120 better than the A12X25 but that is only because they are way more versatile and they daisy chain.

Most LCP fans are going to be pretty decent though but they typically cost double sometimes even more than non LCP fans.
I've got both, first gen A12x25 and A14G2. The G2 is one sexy fan. But both are quiet.

Will likely upgrade to the G2 A12 when they release.
 
What about Asus RMA issues and bad support as of lately? Like explained in GamerNexus. The only RMA I ever did was with an Asus GTX 780 who died 1 month before warranty ended. They "fixed it" somehow, returned it to me, then it died again a couple months later (after warranty ended).
My P6T SE never gave any problems. So I didn't need to worry about RMA. Nowadays... I don't know.
 
What about Asus RMA issues and bad support as of lately? Like explained in GamerNexus. The only RMA I ever did was with an Asus GTX 780 who died 1 month before warranty ended. They "fixed it" somehow, returned it to me, then it died again a couple months later (after warranty ended).
My P6T SE never gave any problems. So I didn't need to worry about RMA. Nowadays... I don't know.

Honestly it depends on your region in my experience none of them are good when it comes to CS so it's best to just go with whatever offers you what you need in your price range. Consumer protection laws are terrible and a pita to take a company to court if they refuse RMA etc and it takes forever here.
 
If you want stability, then above all avoid overclocked memory. It's silly that people would even suggest it for a system meant for productive use. And it's not even worth it performance wise either; AM5 offers DDR5-5600 and Arrow Lake (LGA1851) DDR5-6400. OC memory means stability issues and file corruption over time. Stick with JEDEC speeds and 1.1 V. (It's usually cheaper too)

DDR5 is much more sensitive than the old DDR3 was, you can't even run 2DPC at full speed, so max out the amount of memory you will need from the start. If you may need 64GB+, then buy 128 GB (2x64GB).

Secondly, make sure to have a separate SSD for the OS, as OS drives will wear out quickly.
E.g.: 500 GB OS + 2/4TB scratch space + HDDs for long terms storage.


If there is a chance you want more storage over time, make sure to pick a motherboard with a good mix of IO, e.g. at least one X4 PCIe slot too, so you can add a controller card etc. (Arrow Lake offers more IO than AM5)

AM5 offers dual channel 4 slots but you can get penalized heavy on RAM speed if you populate all 4. As DDR5 and AM5 UEFI matures I'm hoping this situation can improve but only time will tell.
New BIOSes only helps to finetune subtimings for overclocked memory, it doesn't help with the problem you describe. The issue here is that the memory controller can't drive 2DPC at that frequency and maintain signal integrity.

AMD is all about gaming, and even then, I doubt it's that much of a difference. Been seeing a lot of problems with AMD CPUs: high idle temps, RAM instability, etc.
Yes, and >90% of them is because of overclocked memory. While Intel does this better, you can avoid this problem for both by buying the right memory, e.g.;
For Arrow Lake:
Kingston 6400 64GB CUDIMM KVR64A52BD8-64 (single DIMM, so buy 2)
Crucial 128GB Kit (64GBx2) DDR5-6400 CUDIMM CT2K64G64C52CU5
And similar 5600 MHz kits for AM5.
 
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