Upgrade to 2700x or i7 8700?

[Deleted member 67555]

I just built a Ryzen 5-1600 system for $400 with the idea of upgrading it when the next lineup comes out.
I have an 8700k system to test it against, that at the time cost $2400 to build. (maybe $1900 today)
Both are 6c/12t systems.
The 8700k just stomps the Ryzen system in nothing that is important.
In gaming the Ryzen does as well at 1080p as the 8700k does at 1440p
No amount of cores will help that the difference is in single core performance and Ryzen is close but not close enough at 1440/4k... But I think if the next series is a just a mere 10% better then I don't see the point in paying for the Intel premium.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

A 2700/Mobo/2080 build for around 1500 Cad vs a 8700/Mobo/2070 build is way more Appealing to me.

Also if the 6 core 3000 series comes even closer to intel in terms of overall gaming performance/productivity he could save even more.
The 2000 series can be 15-20% faster in some games over the 1000 series so it should be pretty safe to expect at least 10%.

 

[eidairaman1]

@king of swag187 Did you bother to look at the games the OP said they play?
There it is.



To the point - I don't believe his needs for gaming are as demanding as many out there and Ryzen2 is very close to current Intel stuff anyway, not to mention they will save WAY MORE than just $50, something I found out earlier when planning this build. Also with the other planned useage they will be fine, Ryzen can handle it with ease.

I was wondering at first whether to go Intel or an AMD which I quickly decided on AMD due to the insane price difference if doing a complete build which I was. From that point I had to decide on a TR or Ryzen, which Ryzen won out and the rest is history.

If it costs twice as much I expect twice as much in return but that's not the case between the two.

I know as fact a high core count Intel build is priced sky-high in comparision to an AMD build along the same lines and the performance difference between the two isn't that much, sometimes overlapping based on exactly what you would be doing if speaking of a standard desktop build, 2700x vs an i7 8700..... Which is the case here.

And before accusations of "Fanboy" start up I've been running Intel with the last two or even three builds and based on cost decided AMD was the way to go as described above. Probrably will be from now on until Chipzilla finally drops prices to a more competitve level or for some weird reason AMD goes crazy with prices vs Intel.

It will get the job done and do it well for less.
Go AMD with this build, save some dough and enjoy is all I can say to the OP.

kos inept opinion doesn't matter

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

@king of swag187 Did you bother to look at the games the OP said they play?
There it is.



To the point - I don't believe his needs for gaming are as demanding as many out there and Ryzen2 is very close to current Intel stuff anyway, not to mention they will save WAY MORE than just $50, something I found out earlier when planning this build. Also with the other planned useage they will be fine, Ryzen can handle it with ease.

I was wondering at first whether to go Intel or an AMD which I quickly decided on AMD due to the insane price difference if doing a complete build which I was. From that point I had to decide on a TR or Ryzen, which Ryzen won out and the rest is history.

If it costs twice as much I expect twice as much in return but that's not the case between the two.

I know as fact a high core count Intel build is priced sky-high in comparision to an AMD build along the same lines and the performance difference between the two isn't that much, sometimes overlapping based on exactly what you would be doing if speaking of a standard desktop build, 2700x vs an i7 8700..... Which is the case here.

And before accusations of "Fanboy" start up I've been running Intel with the last two or even three builds and based on cost decided AMD was the way to go as described above. Probrably will be from now on until Chipzilla finally drops prices to a more competitve level or for some weird reason AMD goes crazy with prices vs Intel.

It will get the job done and do it well for less.
Go AMD with this build, save some dough and enjoy is all I can say to the OP.

Intel will often price compete on the equivalent AMD CPU, but it always seems like you have to drop more on the equivalent Intel motherboard. Whenever I price a build for kicks, I end up noticing the net price disparity pretty quick.

 

[Bones]

Intel will often price compete on the equivalent AMD CPU, but it always seems like you have to drop more on the equivalent Intel motherboard. Whenever I price a build for kicks, I end up noticing the net price disparity pretty quick.

As I did when my build was initially planned.

The chips and boards are more expensive for an Intel, with DDR4 being as high as it is (Prices are falling but it's still expensive), it just makes sense to save anywhere you can.
The performance difference isn't enough to justify one being that much more in cost over the other, most of the difference seen is in synthetic benchies and such, nothing that really matters to the everyday person.

 

[Vario]

I just built a Ryzen 5-1600 system for $400 with the idea of upgrading it when the next lineup comes out.
I have an 8700k system to test it against, that at the time cost $2400 to build. (maybe $1900 today)
Both are 6c/12t systems.
The 8700k just stomps the Ryzen system in nothing that is important.
In gaming the Ryzen does as well at 1080p as the 8700k does at 1440p
No amount of cores will help that the difference is in single core performance and Ryzen is close but not close enough at 1440/4k... But I think if the next series is a just a mere 10% better then I don't see the point in paying for the Intel premium.

The price difference between a Ryzen 5 1600 and a 8700K is about $200. The remaining $2000 is a luxury not necessary for running an Intel based platform. There are budget 1151 boards, budget DDR4, etc.

 

[lexluthermiester]

@IcyRoadz
My 2 cents, save your money and upgrade your CPU later as the one you have is not shabby. You need a better GPU. Focus on that. Find a used GTX 1070(ti) or 1080(ti) to kick your gaming into high gear.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

The price difference between a Ryzen 5 1600 and a 8700K is about $200. The remaining $2000 is a luxury not necessary for running an Intel based platform. There are budget 1151 boards, budget DDR4, etc.

I got my 1600 at MicroCenter for $80 with an ASRock B450 Pro4 ATX $75 -$30 combo discount...$125 for both....Really Can't wait for the new Ryzen....I'm good to buy after July 4t
You could definitely do an 8700k build for $1000 easy. with 16gb ddr4 3000...970 EVO-500gb...Z390..Air cooled...1660ti-In the US at a MicroCenter/Amazon/Newegg

 

[Vario]

I got my 1600 at MicroCenter for $80 with an ASRock B450 Pro4 ATX $75 -$30 combo discount...$125 for both....Really Can't wait for the new Ryzen....I'm good to buy after July 4t
You could definitely do an 8700k build for $1000 easy. with 16gb ddr4 3000...970 EVO-500gb...Z390..Air cooled...1660ti-In the US at a MicroCenter/Amazon/Newegg

I love those microcenter deals! Hell of a deal for that price. The i7 cheapest setup might be 1151 H310 or B360 for ~$60 with a used $300 8700K for comparison.

 

[eidairaman1]

I love those microcenter deals! Hell of a deal for that price. The i7 cheapest setup might be 1151 H310 or B360 for ~$60 with a used $300 8700K for comparison.

Thats how I got a 8350 and my Sabertooth.

 

[HenrySomeone]

The way I see it, when the time comes that my i5 6 core isn't enough, that will be a legit reason to upgrade the whole platform. Right now, it handles everything I do flawlessly. If I can't afford to replace the whole platform at that time, it is likely that the 8700K, 9700K, or 9900K will be affordable on the used market and I can sell the 8600K to make back some of the cost. I think in 4-5 years though, I would just as soon get a whole new machine.

I think the OP should wait a few months to see what the Zen 2 offering is, and then probably at that time the 9900K 9700K or 8700K will drop in value and that would be the thing to get.

Agreed, the only somewhat reasonable reason (lol, what a phrase) to wait for Zen2 is that if it will get close enough to coffee lake in single thread, the latter might get some price cuts.
Then again, if it relatively sucks, many people who are currently holding out on hopes of its performance will go Intel and prices can go up again just like last year...