Upgrade to 5600X or 5800X3D - gaming purpose 1440P/144HZ

[BetrayerX]

Both are good CPU, talk to your wallet and say what it has to say about it. ^_^

 

[the54thvoid]

I've got a budget of €1500:

I was thinking about atleast a 6900XT = ~€900
5800X3D = ~€300
Noctua D15 = ~€100

Last but not least I was going to replace my NZXT H510 for H5 Flow for better airflow because the old one is garbage.


I'll keep that in mind, thanks for the advice!

Don't get a 6900XT at 900 euros. That makes no sense. If it must be AMD, get a 7900XT, or as I did, get a cheaper 4070ti. I'm in the same boat as you. I have a 3700X and the 5800X3D will benefit my 4070ti. I just hate bios flashing mobo's and the hassle of replacing CPU's, paste, and coolers.

 

[Provin915]

Don't get a 6900XT at 900 euros. That makes no sense. If it must be AMD, get a 7900XT, or as I did, get a cheaper 4070ti. I'm in the same boat as you. I have a 3700X and the 5800X3D will benefit my 4070ti. I just hate bios flashing mobo's and the hassle of replacing CPU's, paste, and coolers.

I can get a 6900XT Nitro+ for €840 right now. I've got a 5700XT Nitro+ as well and it's great. A 7900XT or 4070 ti are at minimum €929. Ty for the suggestion, I'll look into reviews of the 4070TI.

 

[Wormisko]

Just did upgrade from 5600x to 5800x3d and its worthy. Definitely much more stable fps in gaming, no more drops. 5800x3d is really beast

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

I can get a 6900XT Nitro+ for €840 right now. I've got a 5700XT Nitro+ as well and it's great. A 7900XT or 4070 ti are at minimum €929. Ty for the suggestion, I'll look into reviews of the 4070TI.

Make sure to take into account the power requirements of the 6900XT Nitro+. There's a good chance that the 750W power supply you have listed in your specs won't be enough. The 4070Ti would be fine.

 

[dgianstefani]

Make sure to take into account the power requirements of the 6900XT Nitro+. There's a good chance that the 750W power supply you have listed in your specs won't be enough. The 4070Ti would be fine.

Yep. 4070 Ti is also 10-15% faster in classic raster and much faster in ray tracing.

 

[Provin915]

Make sure to take into account the power requirements of the 6900XT Nitro+. There's a good chance that the 750W power supply you have listed in your specs won't be enough. The 4070Ti would be fine.

Thanks for the tip. Will check some reviews whether my 750W PSU can handle it.

 

[Mussels]

Bringing back life in this thread. I'd like to thank everyone for their advice and help! It's been a couple of month's since I asked some advice and prices have gone down quite significantly.

I'll be getting a 5800X3D for €300, which is a great price point. Not sure yet about the cooler. Might go for the Noctua NH-D15 or save a bit more and get a fancy NZXT Z53 cooler.

I've got a better budget for GPU upgrade now as well. I can get a 6900XT for around €850, but I can get a 7900XT for €900. Logically, I would go for the newer generation card, but I'm a bit afraid of power usage. I'm currently on a 750W PSU (Corsair RMx). Should I get atleast a 850W PSU? I prefer a Corsair again, because I have some custom cablemod lying around.

edit: I don't care about Ray Tracing and I'm currently on a 5700XT so any upgrade will be huge.

try your current PSU first. 5800x3D is low wattage when gaming, and will likely be fine - and something as simple as undervolting or an FPS cap prevents the GPU power spikes some setups have


I ran a 5800x and 3090 with zero issues for over a year and only changed due to coil whine - not due to the PSU being unable to keep up

 

[tabascosauz]

Thanks for the tip. Will check some reviews whether my 750W PSU can handle it.

There is no reason why you would not take a 7900XT for just 50 euros more than the 6900XT. Better power consumption, much better handled power transients (which is the reason why the 6900XT has high power reqs despite being about the same TDP), and better performance. 850eur for a 6900XT is a terrible price, literally paying more for less.

7900XT should have no problems with a quality 750W like the RMx (I did have some issues at 750W but probably an outlier). 4070 Ti will certainly never have problems with 750W.

Take the 4070 Ti if you like the efficiency, lower power, and DLSS. Take the 7900XT if you like the extra VRAM, slightly better 4K scaling, and non-RT performance.

As to the cooler, the AIO will do literally nothing more than aesthetics if that's what you're into. 5800X3D does not OC much at all, is limited to 4450-4550 unless you wanna gamble on BCLK, and the D15 or any equivalent cooler will do just fine. As a 240mm AIO I'm not even sure if it'll outperform the D15.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Techspots does not allow their graphs to post anymore but using an RTX2080ti they got 160FPS/106FPS for the 3960x in avg/lows for BF5 and 152FPS/105FPS for the 3300x

Just looking at the 3700X vs 3800X in those two charts the 3700X has 20% better 1% lows which to me means they are using a much less demanding portion for the 3300X review or using lower quality settings.

Kinda a dumb comparison though.... The 3960X is almost certainly winning due to the higher cache and slightly higher boost speeds vs having more cores like you previously stated.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Kinda a dumb comparison though.... The 3960X is almost certainly winning due to the higher cache and slightly higher boost speeds vs having more cores like you previously stated.

BF5 can use more cores than most games. This means multi-core performance starts to outweigh things like cache and single-core boost.

We are getting o/t though.

@Provin915 if you already have the Wraith Spire from a 3700X, just get the 5800X3D and try it. IF you are not comfortable with the temps, pick up a Thermalright PA120 SE. That cooler is fantastic for how cheap it is.

 

[pf100]

We can eliminate all unnecessary banter by us all agreeing that everyone should just get the 5800x3d.
Thank you and drive home safely.

 

[Provin915]

There is no reason why you would not take a 7900XT for just 50 euros more than the 6900XT. Better power consumption, much better handled power transients (which is the reason why the 6900XT has high power reqs despite being about the same TDP), and better performance. 850eur for a 6900XT is a terrible price, literally paying more for less.

7900XT should have no problems with a quality 750W like the RMx (I did have some issues at 750W but probably an outlier). 4070 Ti will certainly never have problems with 750W.

Take the 4070 Ti if you like the efficiency, lower power, and DLSS. Take the 7900XT if you like the extra VRAM, slightly better 4K scaling, and non-RT performance.

As to the cooler, the AIO will do literally nothing more than aesthetics if that's what you're into. 5800X3D does not OC much at all, is limited to 4450-4550 unless you wanna gamble on BCLK, and the D15 or any equivalent cooler will do just fine. As a 240mm AIO I'm not even sure if it'll outperform the D15.

Thank you for your insight. Yea I don't really need RT performance and I play on 1440P/180HZ. I'm not playing 4K any time soon. I do want to get the most performance (just played a couple of Warzone and BF2042 games and I have these frame drops). I checked tons of reviews and people are able to run a 5800X3D and 7900XT combo with a 750W PSU, so I think I should be fine.

@Provin915 if you already have the Wraith Spire from a 3700X, just get the 5800X3D and try it. IF you are not comfortable with the temps, pick up a Thermalright PA120 SE. That cooler is fantastic for how cheap it is.

Yes I do have one, however I'd like to get lower temps on my CPU, but I'll keep it in mind and test it out. Thanks!

We can eliminate all unnecessary banter by us all agreeing that everyone should just get the 5800x3d.
Thank you and drive home safely.

Agreed!

Thanks all for your extensive contribution. I will stick with team Red and go for the 5800X3D and 7900XT combo. In the event I need to upgrade my RMx 750 Gold PSU, I will do so!!

 

[dirtyferret]

Just looking at the 3700X vs 3800X in those two charts the 3700X has 20% better 1% lows which to me means they are using a much less demanding portion for the 3300X review or using lower quality settings.

Even the 3600 shows slightly better performance than the 3800x and 3900x in the other chart and although they say settings are the same you may be right on the portion of the game they used for the benchmark. Which is why it's hard to compare two of anything that are not in the same tests together. Even if the test system are the same, drivers can change, patches can change, etc., etc.,

Kinda a dumb comparison though.... The 3960X is almost certainly winning due to the higher cache and slightly higher boost speeds vs having more cores like you previously stated.

Yeah, I did not get the point of the comparison.

 

[QuietBob]

I checked tons of reviews and people are able to run a 5800X3D and 7900XT combo with a 750W PSU, so I think I should be fine.

You will be more than fine with a 750 W Tier A PSU. My gaming rig has a reference 7900XTX and a 5800X3D powered by a 650 W Seasonic Focus. I've never had any power related issues, and the highest draw I've measured was about 500 W.

AIB 7900XTs will have similar power consumption to an MBA 7900XTX.

 

[dirtyferret]

Thanks for the tip. Will check some reviews whether my 750W PSU can handle it.

Your RM750x should handle it, the 6900XT Nitro can push up to 375-385w while gaming making your total system power consumption around 500w while gaming and around 600-650w stressed. Noise may be an issue but since you already own the PSU, I would most certainly give it the chance to perform.

You will be more than fine with a 750 W Tier A PSU.

What's a tier A PSU and why would it be "more fine" than a tier B?

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Yeah, I did not get the point of the comparison

I brought those in to point out that your statement of "games need a minimum performance" was too broad a brush.

Ever game looks at something different for minimum performance.

What's a tier A PSU and why would it be "more fine" than a tier B?

This is the tier list. They have a nice methodology section that shows why higher tier units are better.

PSU Tier List rev. 17.0g - Cultists Network

PSU Tier List will help you to choose the best PSU out of hundreds of models on the market. From budget to the highest end Power Supplies.

cultists.network

 

[QuietBob]

What's a tier A PSU and why would it be "more fine" than a tier B?

A Tier A PSU is what OP is currently using. Hence, no need for an additional purchase.

 

[dirtyferret]

I brought those in to point out that your statement of "games need a minimum performance" was too broad a brush.

Ever game looks at something different for minimum performance.

Obviously each game is different and you play a single game or (group of games) get the best products for that performance. It would be easier to just look at a single test than jump across two separate ones.

This is the tier list. They have a nice methodology section that shows why higher tier units are better.

I find the "methodology " flawed and yes I know of the list.