Upgrade to 5600X or 5800X3D - gaming purpose 1440P/144HZ

[Provin915]

Hi everyone, I'm in a dilemma with upgrading my rig.

Currently running a 3700X and 5700XT. Definitely gonna upgrade my GPU to a 6800XT, but I also want to upgrade my CPU to squeeze more FPS.

I was thinking I could go for a 5600X (less cores but better for gaming). But since the release of AM5, I have read many people recommending a 5800X3D because it's just that good. However, is it worth based on price/performance?

I can get a 5600X for €210, whereas a 5800X3D goes for €440. I don't mind saving up for a 5800X3D but is it worth it? Purely gaming on a single monitor 1440P/144HZ.

Hope anyone can give some of their insight

 

[Chomiq]

Hi everyone, I'm in a dilemma with upgrading my rig.

Currently running a 3700X and 5700XT. Definitely gonna upgrade my GPU to a 6800XT, but I also want to upgrade my CPU to squeeze more FPS.

I was thinking I could go for a 5600X (less cores but better for gaming). But since the release of AM5, I have read many people recommending a 5800X3D because it's just that good. However, is it worth based on price/performance?

I can get a 5600X for €210, whereas a 5800X3D goes for €440. I don't mind saving up for a 5800X3D but is it worth it? Purely gaming on a single monitor 1440P/144HZ.

Hope anyone can give some of their insight

I upgraded from 3700x to 5800x and I'm happy with it. Seeing how you'll still be more GPU bound at 1440p I would just opt for 5600X and call it a day. Maybe, just maybe I'd give 5800X3D a try if it was on a super sale during Black Friday (under €400).

 

[dgianstefani]

A 5800x3D will basically ensure your frames never really dip below 144, as long as you're not gpu limited.

The 5600x will get the same averages but the 1/0.1% lows will be much lower.

For context, I run 1440p/240hz and my 1% lows are 200fps or higher.

As far as you can "future proof" too, eight cores are much better than six.

 

[Chomiq]

A 5800x3D will basically ensure your frames never really dip below 144, as long as you're not gpu limited.

Unless he's running a game that's filled of shitty/unoptimized code.

 

[dgianstefani]

Man even in tarkov my averages went from 80-100 with dips to 50 with my old 5950x.

With the X3D my averages went to 130+ and the dips to around 90/95.

That's almost a doubling in minimum fps.

Unless he's running a game that's filled of shitty/unoptimized code.

This is exactly where extreme single core and huge cache is best applied.

 

[P4-630]

As far as you can "future proof" too, eight cores are much better than six.

^^

 

[Vayra86]

Unless he's running a game that's filled of shitty/unoptimized code.

Sure but the cache is still going to run that shitty code a lot faster.

I'm slowly getting really tempted to jump on this CPU, hard to see it topped in the actually hard gaming scenarios anytime soon, plus it doesn't run with that retarded 95C temp target like the upcoming successor...

 

[tabascosauz]

Unless he's running a game that's filled of shitty/unoptimized code.

I was expecting those shitty coded games that benefit the most, but I was surprised how big of a difference it can be to 5900X. In more AAA titles that already run smooth, difference is small. But as an example in Insurgency Sandstorm there is one area of one map that always gave me a rather significant frame drop. 5800X3D has no frame drop, so the gain there is something like 105 to 155fps.

In a number of titles the 5800X3D seems to singlehandedly shift the game from entirely CPU-bound to entirely GPU-bound. GPU is drawing a lot more power in almost every single game (but still net reduction in system power because how inefficient 5900X is in games).

I think it's a great upgrade from a 3700X, but anything faster and it's a bit of a tough call. Especially if one doesn't already have a board ready.

 

[DarkDreams]

I noticed you are using the stock AMD cooler. While I heard good things about it, I am not sure if it would be sufficient for the 5800X3D. So a new cooler might also something to factor into your decision.

 

[Colddecked]

Hi everyone, I'm in a dilemma with upgrading my rig.

Currently running a 3700X and 5700XT. Definitely gonna upgrade my GPU to a 6800XT, but I also want to upgrade my CPU to squeeze more FPS.

I was thinking I could go for a 5600X (less cores but better for gaming). But since the release of AM5, I have read many people recommending a 5800X3D because it's just that good. However, is it worth based on price/performance?

I can get a 5600X for €210, whereas a 5800X3D goes for €440. I don't mind saving up for a 5800X3D but is it worth it? Purely gaming on a single monitor 1440P/144HZ.

Hope anyone can give some of their insight

With a high refresh rate monitor, I think its worth it to go 3d. I upgraded from a 3800x.

 

[freeagent]

I love how quiet my system is now. Games feel a lot smoother. I think I saw some hitching with my 5900x? Now it’s gone. It’s really good cpu for games. For productivity? I’m used to 5900X and it blows 3D away there. But that’s ok. I have a stack of iPPC fans on the shelf now

 

[Provin915]

I upgraded from 3700x to 5800x and I'm happy with it. Seeing how you'll still be more GPU bound at 1440p I would just opt for 5600X and call it a day. Maybe, just maybe I'd give 5800X3D a try if it was on a super sale during Black Friday (under €400).

Hmmm I haven't researched the 5800X much. Normally I always get the 8 core CPU but this time I am contemplating whether it's worth it.

A 5800X3D is priced at €440, a 5800X at €300 and 5600X at €210. I have to research the performance differences between 5800X3D and 5800X. Thanks for your answer mate, if the 5800X3D dips below €400 I will definitely buy it I guess.

A 5800x3D will basically ensure your frames never really dip below 144, as long as you're not gpu limited.

The 5600x will get the same averages but the 1/0.1% lows will be much lower.

For context, I run 1440p/240hz and my 1% lows are 200fps or higher.

As far as you can "future proof" too, eight cores are much better than six.

I will have to check for more benchmarks between the 5800X3D vs 5600X. I'm not that worried about future proofing. Usually I build completely new rigs every 2-3 years, but these last couple of years have been horrible for PC components

Man even in tarkov my averages went from 80-100 with dips to 50 with my old 5950x.

With the X3D my averages went to 130+ and the dips to around 90/95.

That's almost a doubling in minimum fps.

This is exactly where extreme single core and huge cache is best applied.

Yea I'd like to maximise my FPS gains as much as I can.

Sure but the cache is still going to run that shitty code a lot faster.

I'm slowly getting really tempted to jump on this CPU, hard to see it topped in the actually hard gaming scenarios anytime soon, plus it doesn't run with that retarded 95C temp target like the upcoming successor...

I didn't even know this CPU existed until AM5 came out and everyone was saying 5800X3D is the king of gaming CPU. So I thought instead of getting a completely new rig (AM5 CPU/Mobo and DDR5 RAM) I'd just upgrade my CPU and GPU and be done.

I noticed you are using the stock AMD cooler. While I heard good things about it, I am not sure if it would be sufficient for the 5800X3D. So a new cooler might also something to factor into your decision.

Thanks man, didn't think about that yet. I can always get an aftermarket cooler if I decide to go for 5800X3D.

I mostly play Path of Exile / Shatterline / BF2042 / Phasmophobia / They Are Billions / 7 Days to Die. Occassionally, I play open world games with buddies. Definitely gonna play upcoming MW2.

For these type of games I'm not sure if the extra cores are gonna help. Or will they definitely help because of extra cache?

 

[INSTG8R]

Well having just bought a 5800X3D to replace a 5600X I have seen some visible improvements despite actually gaming at 3440x1440 so in no way a CPU bound situation. IF I was choosing between your 2 options and you are mainly gaming I can highly recommend the 5800X3D
I have no intention of moving to AM5 until at least Zen 5 nor do I plan to change my gaming resolution. I will be upgrading my GPU soon to a 6800XT, but bottom line I expect this combo to last me more than a few years and long enough to wait until the AM5 platform matures

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

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[gffermari]

It depends on what system you want to build.
A 5600X is great for normal gamings pcs while the 3D is made for high end ones.
If you stay with the 6800XT for years, buy the 5600X.
If you plan to move to 7800XT, 4080 and better...you know the answer.

I moved from 3700X to 5800X3D, only to avoid upgrading everything when a new beast gpu is out available.

AMD shoot their feet by releasing Zen 4+ gaming performance in a 5+ years old platform. And I thank them for that.
Only a 7800X3D can bring peace in the AM5 universe.....

Spoiler

 

[freeagent]

5600X is a good gaming cpu, I like it. Mine boosts pretty hard, does 2K1:1, and is super easy to cool. My 5800X3D may have a slightly better IMC than my 5900X.. testing that right now.

 

[Provin915]

Well having just bought a 5800X3D to replace a 5600X I have seen some visible improvements despite actually gaming at 3440x1440 so in no way a CPU bound situation. IF I was choosing between your 2 options and you are mainly gaming I can highly recommend the 5800X3D
I have no intention of moving to AM5 until at least Zen 5 nor do I plan to change my gaming resolution. I will be upgrading my GPU soon to a 6800XT, but bottom line I expect this combo to last me more than a few years and long enough to wait until the AM5 platform matures

Yea with such crazy prices I think I will stick with my AM4 until it's reasonable again to upgrade.

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5800X3D seems like the way to go for ''high end'' at the moment.

It depends on what system you want to build.
A 5600X is great for normal gamings pcs while the 3D is made for high end ones.
If you stay with the 6800XT for years, buy the 5600X.
If you plan to move to 7800XT, 4080 and better...you know the answer.

I moved from 3700X to 5800X3D, only to avoid upgrading everything when a new beast gpu is out available.

AMD shoot their feet by releasing Zen 4+ gaming performance in a 5+ years old platform. And I thank them for that.
Only a 7800X3D can bring peace in the AM5 universe.....

Hmmm I see yea I will upgrade to a 6800XT for sure and eventually again in the future. Will probably get a 5800X3D based on everyone's insight. Thanks all!

Anyone have recommendations for a good air cooler? Have to fit in a NZXT H510!

 

[R0H1T]

5700x or 5800x3d depending on your budget, if you want to spend much less than 5600(non X) is also an option.

 

[Lionheart]

I'd get the 5800X3D hands down, 5600X still a great gaming CPU but the extra threads & cache is just too handy.

 

[freeagent]

It is a smooooth cpu

 

[INSTG8R]

It is a smooooth cpu

Isn’t tho? My board has a “special sauce“ setting just for it that acts like PBO and Curve Optimizer. No extra boost but holds max boost for MT loads and has adjusted the voltages so it runs cooler too.

 

[freeagent]

Isn’t tho? My board has a “special sauce“ setting just for it that acts like PBO and Curve Optimizer. No extra boost but holds max boost for MT loads and has adjusted the voltages so it runs cooler too.

I’ve got none of that

I don’t think PB Tuner works on my setup, it wasn’t doing anything when set to -30. Not a big deal though. The system idles at 60w and loads at 450 so far.. not bad.

 

[INSTG8R]

I’ve got none of that

I don’t think PB Tuner works on my setup, it wasn’t doing anything when set to -30. Not a big deal though. The system idles at 60w and loads at 450 so far.. not bad.

I won’t touch an of his software…

 

[Tropick]

Hmmm I see yea I will upgrade to a 6800XT for sure and eventually again in the future. Will probably get a 5800X3D based on everyone's insight. Thanks all!

Anyone have recommendations for a good air cooler? Have to fit in a NZXT H510!

I have a 5600X/6800XT and can confirm the combo is fantastic, 5800X3D/6800XT will be even better with higher and more consistent 1 and 0.1% lows. 1440p @ mixed high/ultra settings usually nets me 100+ FPS in nearly anything. Sometimes I can even enable some light RT if I drop the settings to high.

As for a cooler recommendation, here's Noctua's official compatibility list for the H510. I know it's just one brand but it should give you a good picture of what kind of coolers will be able to fit in the case.

Happy upgrading!

 

[droopyRO]

3700X is still a powerfull CPU. I would upgrade the GPU first and see if you have a limitation in the games you play. Then save money for or buy a 5800X3D if you already have the cash.