Upgrading to a new Gpu RX 7800 XT

nirsade34 · Jan 16, 2024

would like change my RTX 2070 with RX 7800 XT .

Will there be bottleneck?

My computer specifications are as follows:
B450 aorus pro
Ryzen 5 3600
PSU corsair RM750
DDR4 3200 16 GBytes(1600MHz)

thank you

DaemonForce · Jan 16, 2024

I'm on a R5 3600 paired to a RX 580 and notice I'm very much GPU bound. It's about equal pairing with the FX-8370.
I want to get over this DX12_0 feature lock issue and Vulkan instability so I've been considering the RX 7800 XT for a while.
It's a great card and there shouldn't be any issues with it with the CPU pinned at 4.0GHz like I've been doing for years.
It's been a while since I've messed with games but 1080p144 desktop might have a bunch of CPU wait. 1440p90 VR should be right at home.

Frick · Jan 16, 2024

nirsade34 said:
would like change my RTX 2070 with RX 7800 XT .

Will there be bottleneck?

My computer specifications are as follows:
B450 aorus pro
Ryzen 5 3600
PSU corsair RM750
DDR4 3200 16 GBytes(1600MHz)

thank you

Wait a bit for the RTX Supers.

What resolution do tou play at?

nirsade34 · Jan 16, 2024

Frick said:
Wait a bit for the RTX Supers.

What resolution do tou play at?

1920x1080, 2560 x 1440,

GerKNG · Jan 16, 2024

i'd first buy something like a 5700X and 32GB of RAM, sell the 3600 and the old RAM and look how much you'll have left for a GPU afterwards.
Maybe after NVidia releases a new box for their current GPUs we will see a sale or a price drop.

Frick · Jan 16, 2024

GerKNG said:
i'd first buy something like a 5700X and 32GB of RAM, sell the 3600 and the old RAM and look how much you'll have left for a GPU afterwards.
Maybe after NVidia releases a new box for their current GPUs we will see a sale or a price drop.

Or just a bog standard 5600, would be a nice boost, while leaving more money for GPU. 32GB RAM is meaningless for gaming.

Macro Device · Jan 16, 2024

I'd also point out you're about to be CPU bottlenecked in high-paced competitive games like CoD MW2, Counter-Strike, LoL etc but in AAA games with everything on Ultra... GPU will mostly be your limiting factor. Even if that GPU is a 7800 XT, yes.

So if you are a triple-A maximum fidelity gamer and your displays ain't capable of 100+ Hz refresh rates you'll be fine. Yet I agree with orators above, waiting for prices correction upon RTX 40 Super release will make sense.

GerKNG · Jan 16, 2024

Frick said:
32GB RAM is meaningless for gaming.

you can't even play warzone with 16GB on a fresh installation of windows, fully debloated and without ANYTHING running in the background without having 16GB 100% filled with stuttering.
as soon as you have something else open in the background 16GB of RAM is barely enough. and it has been for a couple years now.
just while writing this and with escape from tarkov sitting in the menu, HWInfo open and firefox (nothing in auto start, clean system) i am at 14.7GB

dgianstefani · Jan 16, 2024

Frick said:
Or just a bog standard 5600, would be a nice boost, while leaving more money for GPU. 32GB RAM is meaningless for gaming.

32 GB is absolutely not meaningless for gaming. Many games almost require it at this point.

OP, wait for 4070 Super, is basically a 4070 Ti but for $600.

nirsade34 · Jan 16, 2024

thank you all

dgianstefani · Jan 16, 2024

5700X3D would also be a huge upgrade for you. 3600 is too weak for current gen GPUs.

Frick · Jan 16, 2024

GerKNG said:
you can't even play warzone with 16GB on a fresh installation of windows, fully debloated and without ANYTHING running in the background without having 16GB 100% filled with stuttering.
as soon as you have something else open in the background 16GB of RAM is barely enough. and it has been for a couple years now.
just while writing this and with escape from tarkov sitting in the menu, HWInfo open and firefox (nothing in auto start, clean system) i am at 14.7GB

dgianstefani said:
32 GB is absolutely not meaningless for gaming. Many games almost require it at this point.

OP, wait for 4070 Super, is basically a 4070 Ti but for $600.

Fair enough, for the stuff I play (the heaviest stuff is probably Starfield and RDR2) it made zero difference going from 16 to 32GB.

DaemonForce · Jan 16, 2024

I wouldn't worry too much about memory. I'm on 64GB and kinda regret it because my OC liked being pinned right on the memory controller limit and now I can't do that. 16GB is fine with all my tabs, virtual machines and maybe a VR game going but there's a LOT of atrocious code out there that had me dive straight for the 32GB kit.

That was okay. 32GB was the sweet spot. Micron E-die ftw. ✓

But there are other issues going on.

While the 7800 XT is a massive upgrade over my RX 580, it will leave performance on the table due to the design of the 3600, lack of SAM, lack of 1:1 core performance and a few other bits and bobs that make the 5000 series just so much better. I'm going to take the high road and go 7900 XT just because it's exactly 1 more RX 580 away from the 7800 XT in performance and I want to setup something that will absolutely bottleneck the snot out of this chip.

At some point I will have to close the gap and it may be with the capstone of AM4. I haven't determined what that is yet. It may be the 5600GT, 5800X, 5800X3D or the 5900X. Anything outside those parameters is at a less than stellar price point and I'm not certain if newer silicon trumps X3D technology on the same socket.

In other words, I plan to be waiting for more than a few years before there's any need to pull the trigger on that and it's a problem far enough away that I won't have to worry about it. Your situation may be very different but as it stands, lower resolutions will suffer on these newer cards as long as the 3600 is in play.

Chrispy_ · Jan 16, 2024

Beginner Micro Device said:
I'd also point out you're about to be CPU bottlenecked in high-paced competitive games like CoD MW2, Counter-Strike, LoL etc but in AAA games with everything on Ultra... GPU will mostly be your limiting factor. Even if that GPU is a 7800 XT, yes.

So if you are a triple-A maximum fidelity gamer and your displays ain't capable of 100+ Hz refresh rates you'll be fine. Yet I agree with orators above, waiting for prices correction upon RTX 40 Super release will make sense.

This is the crux. You can never fully ignore CPU bottlenecks, even a 14900KS will be CPU bottleneck some games at high-enough framerates - but for AAA games that are graphically intensive the R5 3600 is currently good enough to feed frames to a 7800XT without leaving any significant GPU performance on the table.

For high-refresh gaming then yes, a faster CPU would be money well spent but even then, you buy a new CPU after you've bought a 240Hz+ monitor.

las · Jan 16, 2024

You should find a 5800X3D eventually or you will probably be CPU bound by alot, depending on game and resolution + framerate goal (if 60 then you will be fine)

At 100+ fps you will start seeing CPU penalty, however if you own a high refresh rate monitor, 100+ is what you want

You need high framerates to take advantage of high refresh rate

Vayra86 · Jan 16, 2024

Frick said:
Fair enough, for the stuff I play (the heaviest stuff is probably Starfield and RDR2) it made zero difference going from 16 to 32GB.

Yeh I still run everything on 16GB just fine. On a 8700K. I lose about 20-25% of my frames on a 7900XT. Probably a LOT more in games like Farthest frontier and other build/sim games. But for shooters? Its fine, the odd exception of a shit F2P does not make the rule, OP should realize this. Im usually still mostly GPU bound.

You can simply run a 7800XT on your CPU just fine. Sure, you might not get full utilization in every single case but do you need to? Your frames wont be getting lower than they are now, and you are asking about a GPU upgrade. Midrange no less. Half this topic is acting like you are about to get a 4090. Games are not CPU demanding. You can upgrade CPU whenever you feel it falls short.

I do agree that if you do upgrade your platform, get 2x16GB RAM. It is indeed time. But not necessity.

That said, I am going to soonish

(to an X3D part) But for you the issue is likely less pressing, as you are moving to a less powerful GPU and have a better / roughly equal CPU than I do.

Chrispy_ said:
For high-refresh gaming then yes, a faster CPU would be money well spent but even then, you buy a new CPU after you've bought a 240Hz+ monitor.

Exactly this. Dont deny yourself also the experience of running a new GPU on your current CPU. Analyze the differences. Get a feeling for how different parts influence performance. Its valuable experience.

Zach_01 · Jan 16, 2024

nirsade34 said:
would like change my RTX 2070 with RX 7800 XT .

Will there be bottleneck?

My computer specifications are as follows:
B450 aorus pro
Ryzen 5 3600
PSU corsair RM750
DDR4 3200 16 GBytes(1600MHz)

thank you

Yes CPU bottleneck will be present but unless you want the absolute highest FPS you can get out of the 7800XT it will be fine.
It will still play literally anything at 1080p.
You will almost double current FPS by replacing 2070 with 7800XT.

If at some point you want better CPU your mainboard could struggle (VRM wise) with most AM4 Ryzen 9 CPUs. I wouldn't install a 140A/142W CPU on that board like the 5800X, 5900X, 5950X.
The 5700X (Under 100A/100W) is a wiser choice, VRM wise always, which is exactly the same power requirements of the R5 3600.

7800XT is really a 1440p card and you can always transfer it to a new system down the road, with much better CPU (than 3600/5700X) and more RAM.

oxrufiioxo · Jan 16, 2024

I've gamed extensively on a 3700X/4070 combo at 1080p on a 360hz panel and in the majority of games it's more than fine. Nvidia has more driver overhead than AMD in DX12 games so the hit will be slightly less. The system originally had a 2080 in it so a very similar swap.

Disclaimer though using very tuned samsung Bdie at 3800CL14

Personally I'd do the upgrade and worry about the cpu later when you can upgrade the whole platform even if that means a next generation amd/intel 6 core budget motherboard and ok ddr5 vs dropping more money into am4. Definitely go X3D or nothing if you do upgrade in socket.

Zach_01 · Jan 16, 2024

oxrufiioxo said:
Personally I'd do the upgrade and worry about the cpu later when you can upgrade the whole platform even if that means a next generation amd/intel 6 core budget motherboard and ok ddr5 vs dropping more money into am4. Definitely go X3D or nothing if you do upgrade in socket.

Agree

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Take the 7800XT now because the 2070 is stretched at 1440p and you can wait for Zen5 or Intel’s equivalent at that time.
And since your board has limited power delivery system that can safely take up to a 5700X only, better wait for a CPU/board/Ram upgrade.

Going from R5 3600 to a R7 5700X isn’t much upgrade in most games. It will be like +5-10% on avg if not less. If you look benchmarks with 3600 vs 5700X with a gpu in between 2070-7800XT you’ll see on some games a +2-3% gain and on a few best cases around +15%.
With a 5800X3D gains can be uplifted but still you are looking a range of +5-20% vs 3600. And the +20% again on a few best cases

Kapone33 · Jan 17, 2024

Zach_01 said:
Agree

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Take the 7800XT now because the 2070 is stretched at 1440p and you can wait for Zen5 or Intel’s equivalent at that time.
And since your board has limited power delivery system that can safely take up to a 5700X only, better wait for a CPU/board/Ram upgrade.

Going from R5 3600 to a R7 5700X isn’t much upgrade in most games. It will be like +5-10% on avg if not less. If you look benchmarks with 3600 vs 5700X with a gpu in between 2070-7800XT you’ll see on some games a +2-3% gain and on a few best cases around +15%.
With a 5800X3D gains can be uplifted but still you are looking a range of +5-20% vs 3600. And the +20% again on a few best cases

For the X3d you forgot much improved 1% lows.

Zach_01 · Jan 17, 2024

kapone32 said:
For the X3d you forgot much improved 1% lows.

Sure thing, and absolute numbers can’t tell all the truth. Overall experience could be a bit or a lot smoother but does it worth the “investment”?
I guess depends on how the weaker CPU performs compared to the X3D.

MarsM4N · Jan 17, 2024

The Ryzen 5 3600 needs to be replaced by a 5800X3D, period. :cool:

You'll get in some games a massive boost. Also there are CPU intense games out there that are bottlenecking with a 6 core.

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If I where you I would upgrade the CPU first. With the Nvidia releases in the coming weeks there will be some price movement, so it will pay off to delay the GPU upgrade a bit.

Zach_01 · Jan 17, 2024

A 4090 based test has little to no value here.

The subject is going from 2070 to 7800XT and if a CPU upgrade would be better and/or necessity after GPU upgrade.

Below some tests with a 3600, 5600, 5800X3D involved and GPUs 6600XT, 6950XT which is very close to the 2070>>7800XT upgrade.

See for yourselves what is worth more on a platform that it’s lifespan is ending with a low/midrange B450 board that could struggle with a 100A/100W CPU.

From Ryzen 5 3600 to 5800X3D: The Big Upgrade

Going from user feedback, it sounds like many are planning a final AM4 upgrade and you may be most interested in going all out on the 5800X3D,...

www.techspot.com

A better card can be transferred to the next build what ever that may be, but a CPU purchase on AM4 is just that…

So no, talking with absolutes and periods is not the wisest thing to do if you can’t take account all aspects.

MarsM4N · Jan 17, 2024

Zach_01 said:
A 4090 based test has little to no value here.

The subject is going from 2070 to 7800XT and if a CPU upgrade would be better and/or necessity after GPU upgrade.

Below some tests with a 3600, 5600, 5800X3D involved and GPUs 6600XT, 6950XT which is very close to the 2070>>7800XT upgrade.

See for yourselves what is worth more on a platform that it’s lifespan is ending with a low/midrange B450 board that could struggle with a 100A/100W CPU.

From Ryzen 5 3600 to 5800X3D: The Big Upgrade

Going from user feedback, it sounds like many are planning a final AM4 upgrade and you may be most interested in going all out on the 5800X3D,...

www.techspot.com

A better card can be transferred to the next build what ever that may be, but a CPU purchase on AM4 is just that…

So no, talking with absolutes and periods is not the wisest thing to do if you can’t take account all aspects.

True, it's a better comparison.

But I don't get your argument. You either linked the wrong review or didn't read it, because it also validates my point.

"When CPU limited, the 5800X3D offers Ryzen 5 3600 owners massive performance gains. Using the Radeon 6950 XT at 1080p we see on average 48% greater 1% lows, with average frame rates boosted by 46%. Even at 1440p, the 5800X3D provided up to 35% greater performance on average. Looking at 1% lows between the various games tested with the Radeon 6950 XT, we see that the 5800X3D could under the right conditions more than double frame rates, seen in F1 2021 and The Riftbreaker.

We also saw over 70% performance gains in seven of the 23 games tested with most games showing over a 50% uplift, hence the 51% gain on average. There were just 5 games where the margin was less than 20%, and two of them were heavily GPU limited. Basically, when you need the CPU power, the 5800X3D will offer big gains for 3600 owners." (Source)

Sure you can upgrade the GPU now, but you won't get the FPS to the ground with a struggling CPU. That's why it would be wise to upgrade the CPU first. Sure, upgrading the platform to AM5 would be more future proofing, but the OP didn't mention his desire to do that. So upgrading to a 5800X3D would be the most cost effective way to gain loads of extra frames.

Frick · Jan 17, 2024

MarsM4N said:
True, it's a better comparison. But I don't get your argument. You either linked the wrong review or didn't read it, because it also validates my point.

Sure you can upgrade the GPU now, but you won't get the FPS to the ground with a struggling CPU. That's why it would be wise to upgrade the CPU first. Sure, upgrading the platform to AM5 would be more future proofing, but the OP didn't mention his desire to do that. So upgrading to a 5800X3D would be the most cost effective way to gain loads of extra frames.

Only if the GPU can keep up, which it can't do in new games. A 4070 Super is what, more than twice as fast the 2070? A 5800x3d will not come close to the boost a GPU will give. Not to mention the 5800x3d can get quite expensive, and spending that much on a EOL platform is not exactly great.

The conclusion to the article is literally "Of course, if you don't have the GPU to unleash the 5800X3D, or you're not interested in using low quality settings, the gains are going to be a lot smaller and we see that with the 6600 XT."

Sure if OP is playing exclusively Counter strike or something the CPU will be the better buy, for for general purpose gaming the GPU will give a lot more performance.

nirsade34 said:
1920x1080, 2560 x 1440,

What refresh rate, and does this mean you switch between monitors or does it mean you plan to upgrade from 1080p to 1440p soon?

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System Name	His & Hers
Processor	R7 5800X/ R7 7950X3D Stock
Motherboard	X670E Aorus Pro X/ROG Crosshair VIII Hero
Cooling	Corsair h150 elite/ Corsair h115i Platinum
Memory	Trident Z5 Neo 6000/ 32 GB 3200 CL14 @3800 CL16 Team T Force Nighthawk
Video Card(s)	Evga FTW 3 Ultra 3080ti/ Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090
Storage	lots of SSD.
Display(s)	A whole bunch OLED, VA, IPS.....
Case	011 Dynamic XL/ Phanteks Evolv X
Audio Device(s)	Arctis Pro + gaming Dac/ Corsair sp 2500/ Logitech G560/Samsung Q990B
Power Supply	Seasonic Ultra Prime Titanium 1000w/850w
Mouse	Logitech G502 Lightspeed/ Logitech G Pro Hero.
Keyboard	Logitech - G915 LIGHTSPEED / Logitech G Pro

System Name	Best AMD Computer
Processor	AMD 7900X3D
Motherboard	Asus X670E E Strix
Cooling	In Win SR36
Memory	GSKILL DDR5 32GB 5200 30
Video Card(s)	Sapphire Pulse 7900XT (Watercooled)
Storage	Corsair MP 700, Seagate 530 2Tb, Adata SX8200 2TBx2, Kingston 2 TBx2, Micron 8 TB, WD AN 1500
Display(s)	GIGABYTE FV43U
Case	Corsair 7000D Airflow
Audio Device(s)	Corsair Void Pro, Logitch Z523 5.1
Power Supply	Deepcool 1000M
Mouse	Logitech g7 gaming mouse
Keyboard	Logitech G510
Software	Windows 11 Pro 64 Steam. GOG, Uplay, Origin
Benchmark Scores	Firestrike: 46183 Time Spy: 25121

System Name	✨ Lenovo M75q-1 [Tiny]
Cooling	⚠️ 78,08% N² ⌬ 20,95% O² ⌬ 0,93% Ar ⌬ 0,04% CO²
Display(s)	DELL S2722DGM
Audio Device(s)	◐◑ AKG K702 ⌬ FiiO E10K Olympus 2
Mouse	✌️ Corsair M65 RGB Elite [Black] ⌬ Endgame Gear MPC-890 Cordura
Keyboard	⌨ Turtle Beach Impact 500
Software	Windows 11 Pro (Debloated)