US Might Reimpose GPU Import Tariffs in the New Year

[damric]

Ugh, another reason I'll be moving out of this country as soon as our last kid is grown. Our leaders just keep shooting ourselves in the foot with these idiotic, xenophobic tariffs and sanctions that barely, if at all hurt the intended targets while causing so much collateral damage to everyone just trying to live.

 

[R-T-B]

these are different, more democratic tariffs

I'm not really for the tariffs personally, but at least I've been consistent on that point. These aren't and never will be "democratic tariffs" And if they were I'd still see them as stupid.

 

[BorisDG]

I mean... why always only we in EU have to be f*cked up... so you know what I mean about this.

 

[Divide Overflow]

Yes. and Ironically when Trump did it a lot of these same posters had no issue. Friggin' mind boggling. I got nothing else to add mods, don't worry.

GPUs were exempted in the Trump era policy. Will Joe Biden exempt them?

 

[Sithaer]

Yeah, it goes way beyond sales tax. There are also many states without sales tax, but they pay in other ways. Alaska doesn't have taxes because the state gets oil money.

Yes, but what do you get for all those taxes? Free healthcare, free childcare, free college, a reliable retirement pension system, infrastructure that is not crumbling, how many homeless people does your country have? I know it varies from country to country in the EU, those are just some examples of things that we lack in the US or are massive issues here. People here are so interested in their personal freedoms, they ignore all the issues that surround them that are contributing to the downfall of our society.

Try all that with our average of 500 $/month wage from most full time jobs.
Maybe all that sounds good on paper to you but I can guarantee to you that the reality is all different here.
Truth to be told the kind of hardware I have atm is luxury around here and I'm lucky to have it..

Homeless and Infrastructure lol do a google or whatever search about Hungary then come back to me. 'sry for that outburst but I can't stand it when ppl from good ol Murica comes at me saying how its not so bad here when I'm the one living in this shit ass of a country, give me a break..'

 

[claes]

GPUs were exempted in the Trump era policy. Will Joe Biden exempt them?

No, they weren’t initially. First 10% under Trump, then 25%, then they were suspended, then the Biden administration exempted them. The exemptions expire at the end of the year unless the USTR extends them, which is likely.

How Trump's Tariff Hike May Affect Prices for PC Parts

Whether you'll see actual price increases will depend on various factors. But some PC vendors already have manufacturing outside of China. It'll also take time for the tariff hike to ripple through product stock.

www.pcmag.com

Trump Lifts Tariffs on Certain PC Computer Parts

On Friday, the US Trade Representative granted one-year exemptions on dozens of Chinese imports on which President Trump had previously imposed a 25 percent tariff.

www.pcmag.com

GPU Pricing Relief? US Temporarily Lifts Trump-Era Tariffs on Graphics Cards

The Trump-era tariffs had imposed a 25% duty on many components manufactured in China.

www.pcmag.com

 

[R-T-B]

GPUs were exempted in the Trump era policy. Will Joe Biden exempt them?

No? You are remembering the early first trump limits on the tax that rapidly expired. These are now the second, post Trump expiration Biden era exemptions that are expiring.

From your own articles:

The Biden administration is temporarily lifting the Trump-era tariffs on PC graphics cards imported from China, which might provide some pricing relief for GPU buyers.

None of that matters to my point though, which you are sort of proving.

 

[TheDeeGee]

Welcome to the EU Club!

 

[Zareek]

Try all that with our average of 500 $/month wage from most full time jobs.
Maybe all that sounds good on paper to you but I can guarantee to you that the reality is all different here.
Truth to be told the kind of hardware I have atm is luxury around here and I'm lucky to have it..

I am very fortunate. I have much more than I need and basically no debt, but I have friends and relatives that have almost nothing. The top 20% of our population accounts for 86% of the wealth. The vast majority of us have accrued more debt than they can possibly repay in their lifetimes. Most Americans are one medical emergency away from bankruptcy or worse. I can go on and on. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

 

[Garrus]

Yeah, it goes way beyond sales tax. There are also many states without sales tax, but they pay in other ways. Alaska doesn't have taxes because the state gets oil money.

Yes, but what do you get for all those taxes? Free healthcare, free childcare, free college, a reliable retirement pension system, infrastructure that is not crumbling, how many homeless people does your country have? I know it varies from country to country in the EU, those are just some examples of things that we lack in the US or are massive issues here. People here are so interested in their personal freedoms, they ignore all the issues that surround them that are contributing to the downfall of our society.

Everyone is trying to move to the US where government services are well funded, incomes are high, and costs are lower. When I moved to the US I saved much money on housing, on buying regular goods, and I had such higher income, I had more than enough money for all those things and more. I come from a large family of immigrants that all left failed locations in the UK and Canada, and most of Europe is worse than those two countries. (I did really like New Zealand and Australia though, some of my family moved there and are happier. Canada I don't like much). I personally tried to settle down in Taiwan originally. Love Taiwan.

The first thing my best friend did when he graduated was move to Texas to work as a latin dance instructor, and he desperately tried to stay there. When I lived in Vancouver you meet massive numbers of immigrants. They all say "I tried to move to the US but couldn't get a VISA, so since Canada is easy, I moved here, and I plan to move to the US later when I can". The number of times I've made friends with Koreans that just stay in Canada until they can move to the US is hilarious. 100 thousand of them in Canada all trying to leave Canada after arriving there.

ETC. Don't spread that nonsense about social services and taxes. It isn't true. If you want a lot of social services, move to a state that provides a lot of them.

I think the tariffs are a great idea. There should be a general 30 percent tariff on every good coming from China. There is a large world out there. The US can buy from any of the other 200 countries. Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and Indonesia for example. Vietnam and The Philippines also. India. The list goes on.

There is a good reason for the tariffs. The US should not be transferring all the money and technology, particularly for advanced chip making, to China. The US is already overly dependent there on Taiwan, at least Taiwan is an ally.

 

[R-T-B]

Everyone is trying to move to the US

Big big big [Citation Needed] here.

 

[claes]

lots of citations needed lol

 

[Zareek]

Everyone is trying to move to the US where government services are well funded, incomes are high, and costs are lower. When I moved to the US I saved much money on housing, on buying regular goods, and I had such higher income, I had more than enough money for all those things and more. I come from a large family of immigrants that all left failed locations in the UK and Canada, and most of Europe is worse than those two countries. (I did really like New Zealand and Australia though, some of my family moved there and are happier. Canada I don't like much). I personally tried to settle down in Taiwan originally. Love Taiwan.

The first thing my best friend did when he graduated was move to Texas to work as a latin dance instructor, and he desperately tried to stay there. When I lived in Vancouver you meet massive numbers of immigrants. They all say "I tried to move to the US but couldn't get a VISA, so since Canada is easy, I moved here, and I plan to move to the US later when I can". The number of times I've made friends with Koreans that just stay in Canada until they can move to the US is hilarious. 100 thousand of them in Canada all trying to leave Canada after arriving there.

ETC. Don't spread that nonsense about social services and taxes. It isn't true. If you want a lot of social services, move to a state that provides a lot of them.

What year was that? I have relatives in Australia and in New Zealand, and they love it! They were born here and most of their family is here, but they will never come back to live in the US. I fortunately don't need the social programs, but a lot of people do. Just look at the statistics. Again, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Argh, why haven't they learned from the mistakes of the past? The consumer pays the tariffs in higher prices. It has no effect on the businesses selling into the US. The steel tariffs literally bankrupted U.S. businesses that needed cheap raw materials to compete with foreign made products.

Because not setting the tariff results in the lowest common denominator being able to rob your industry blind (see also the US auto industry from the 90s to today). Something has to be done to protect domestic manufacturing, especially when other countries have tariffs on YOUR goods.

Half the reason nobody tariffed the US is because the US navy served as piracy protection for the world's oceanic shipping since the end of WWII. Many have forgotten that promise. Since Ol' Orange pushed the chinese tariffs, notice how companies like TSMC have been looking into setting up fabs in other countries, and manufacturing is slowly moving to vietnam and other parts of asia? It's not the only reason, but it did play a part on fabs leading the way.

I see your point on steel and raise the opposing point: that if the US hadnt waited until their domestic steel industry rusted away, the tariffs would not have caused such harm.

 

[Garrus]

Big big big [Citation Needed] here.

Elon Musk wasn't the first and won't be the last trans Canadian American immigrant. I've filled out immigration forms many times, for myself and others.

Come on, everyone knows the US is where most migrants want to go. The US system has the longest wait times. The US has the most immigrants of any country. 20 percent+ of all immigrants end up in the US (and many wanted to go to the US but couldn't, many Canadian and Australian migrants for example choose those countries as their second choice. Syrian migrants were accepted in Germany so went there, they couldn't get to the US).

I believe the US has 4 times has many migrants as the second place country, Germany. Also people after arriving in the US don't want to leave. They have the lowest number of EMMIGRANTS. 1 percent. A Polish person is 4 times more likely to emigrate as an American. So do obvious countries, like China or Syria etc. Facts are pretty straight forward here.

The US has less diversity for their immigrants, obviously having a lot of Mexican and south American immigrants (millions every year walking across the border right now if you include the illegals).Those immigrants are not as noticeable as the ones in Canada. But a large part of that reason is the US has a broken system that relies on family reunification as well as a broken border. Canada and other countries prefer "qualified" applicants in comparison, and have strict borders. Just try and cross the Taiwanese border illegally.

 

[R-T-B]

Elon Musk

Worst example you could've chosen for an "average individual."

Plus pretty sure he's a native citizen of South Africa.

The large wait times are due to the USA being very slow to admit and being generally better than anything south of it, not east/west/north. Good for us being better than South America I guess.

 

[MarsM4N]

Ohhh snaaap. Prepare your wallets...

Gaming industry in nutshell. Boycot USA! Good that I'm living in EU .

Taxing of GPU's is just the tip of the ice berg. Pretty ignorant if you think the comming restructuring of the global manufacturing & trading won't affect you. Outsourcing production overseas (esp. to unfriendly countries) was just idiotic & it's long overdue to bring them back, esp. for critical products. This will come at a cost, but far better than sitting there empty handed one day, with our hands tied behind our backs. The current Vlad Putler energy crisis is a sunday stroll compared to what's comming when Winnie the Pooh starts his trade war.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/...r-with-us-over-inflation-reduction-act-expert
The US won't make a lot of friends with their "America First" policies. If democratic countries do not stick together now Winnie Pooh will eat us for lunch.

 

[lexluthermiester]

US Might Reimpose GPU Import Tariffs in the New Year

Good grief I hope not. Why punish the general consumer for the misdeeds of a foreign nation? That is political stupidity on a high level.

Makes sense to me, China's government is bad, don't buy stuff from them.

While I will not disagree with you(fixed), what choice do we have? Half of the tech stuff made in the world comes from China, with few other options.

 

[Dakkoch]

Aren't all the gpu made in Taiwan? My 6600xt at least said that. So isn't this tariff pointless since it only applies to china?

 

[R-T-B]

Aren't all the gpu made in Taiwan? My 6600xt at least said that. So isn't this tariff pointless since it only applies to china?

Hardly. It's quite the split right now.

 

[Dakkoch]

Hardly. It's quite the split right now.

Well, if Nvidia is smart then they would ship all the taiwan made gpu to the US and the china made to the rest of the world. Still kind of doesn't make since since the only TSMC N4 plant are in taiwan why not just make the rest of the gpu in Taiwan. I know there is a TSMC Fab in china but that's their 16nm. What about you? What gpu do you have and where is it made?

 

[Why_Me]

It would be nice to see Nvidia start up gpu production to the US.

 

[R-T-B]

What about you? What gpu do you have and where is it made?

Mine? EVGA 3090 ti and Taiwan. But nearly all USA EVGAs are Taiwan at this point. Not all companies are in that boat. I know for a fact several companies are still trying to move and it's honestly debatable if Taiwan could even feed the entirety of the USA market.

 

[sepheronx]

So all those used RTX gpus I got are all gonna be able to sell faster then I guess?

 

[R-T-B]

It would be nice to see Nvidia start up gpu production to the US.

You'd see Singapore, Mexico or even somewhere in South America well before that. Reality of the world. America is too expensive for manufacturing to ever return unless you want to work for similar wages to the far east or south of the border.