US Might Reimpose GPU Import Tariffs in the New Year

[Fierce Guppy]

I don't expect the tariff will be reinstated unless the intention is to punish both Taiwan and U.S. consumers.

 

[claes]

Yeah there’s almost no chance. The exemptions cover wayyyy too much that US manufacturers themselves rely on.

Full list here: https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/notices/FRN for Notice of Reinstatement.pdf

 

[Bwaze]

Prople that are suggesting this will only impact US prices - it never does. US is the main computer market, whatever impacts it, impacts the world. Sometimes even more - companies can decide to raise prices elsewhere even more to subsidize their main, US market.

This was clearly seen with first China tariffs, when even companies with headquarters in EU or Asia, and even ones not present in US market followed suit - because they could. If all your competition raises prices, and you don't have the ability to flood the market with your cheaper product, you raise the price and raise your profit. Basic economics.

But of course there are no graphics cards developed outside US. Nvidia, AMD, Intel are all US companies, and that matters more than where the AIB makers are.

 

[Frick]

Generally I'm in favour of anything that annoys gamers. What I really want is specific tariffs and specific sales taxes that only targets high end cards.

 

[1d10t]

Oh no, US of A preaching revelations for another country.

 

[Pumper]

Import taxes are there to protect local manufacturers. Who the fuck is manufacturing GPUs inside of US? The tax is dumb and that's that.

As for VAT in EU, whatever, we pay that shit on everything, not only GPUs so it does not matter in this context. What matters is that you can bet your ass that EU prices will increase just to maintain the US/EU price difference.

 

[claes]

Oh no, US of A preaching revelations for another country.

Revelations?

 

[Dirt Chip]

So it will be easier to decide to save your money.
GPU's are overrated anyway.

 

[1d10t]

Revelations?

Intended for satirical.

 

[ixi]

Welcome to the EU Club!

Now we are one with the USA . Together we shall destroy that evil punishment.

Taxing of GPU's is just the tip of the ice berg. Pretty ignorant if you think the comming restructuring of the global manufacturing & trading won't affect you. Outsourcing production overseas (esp. to unfriendly countries) was just idiotic & it's long overdue to bring them back, esp. for critical products. This will come at a cost, but far better than sitting there empty handed one day, with our hands tied behind our backs. The current Vlad Putler energy crisis is a sunday stroll compared to what's comming when Winnie the Pooh starts his trade war.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/...r-with-us-over-inflation-reduction-act-expert
The US won't make a lot of friends with their "America First" policies. If democratic countries do not stick together now Winnie Pooh will eat us for lunch.

Correct what you said. Although even if prices increase where I live it does not mean I must buy. It will only show that it is time to move to something else. PC master race is long dead because of overpriced everything. . If people get upset of 25% for gpu... then they should open their eyes (in EU)and see how other things as well increase in price.

Nintendo switch and xbox series s are good alternative if you want to game. 300e and rock on. AMD last generation in DYI market didnt have cpus under 120e. Not sure about intel, even if intel had in last gen, then there is 0 info about this one. Just amazing. Same goes for amd, currently cheapest is 300e...

 

[R-T-B]

Import taxes are there to protect local manufacturers.

Usually yes. There is a 2nd reason to issue then though, when you are big enough as a consumer economy, and that's to punish a percieved enemy.

That's what these are.

 

[Bomby569]

Half of the tech stuff made in the world comes from China, with few other options.

There is a lot of hypocrisy, Russia was bad but we bought their oil, Iran idem, Saudis idem. China is bad but we buy their stuff. If there is one thing i learned in life is there is always a choice (unless you're in some gulag), certain choices are just easier. This has more to do with momentary interested then doing the right thing.
Anyway...

 

[R-T-B]

There is a lot of hypocrisy, Russia was bad but we bought their oil, Iran idem, Saudis idem. China is bad but we buy their stuff. If there is one thing i learned in life is there is always a choice (unless you're in some gulag), certain choices are just easier. This has more to do with momentary interested then doing the right thing.
Anyway...

The question that has to be answered is how much "bad" making a statement against said practices tradewise costs, and honestly, I'm not convinced that is worth it. That's always been my argument. Woo, we boycotted China, now the world economy is in the shitter and people are worse off than ever, etc...

 

[Easo]

People, you think that this won't affect EU prices?

Welcome to the EU Club!

Funny, very funny.

Homeless and Infrastructure lol do a google or whatever search about Hungary then come back to me. 'sry for that outburst but I can't stand it when ppl from good ol Murica comes at me saying how its not so bad here when I'm the one living in this shit ass of a country, give me a break..'

Brah, USA does not even have paid vacation set in law. I am from Baltics - our social guarantees are literally better than those of the States (yeah, WTF, I know) and you will find it hard to argue YOU have it worse in Hungary than us here at Russia's borders.

 

[Bomby569]

The question that has to be answered is how much "bad" making a statement against said practices tradewise costs, and honestly, I'm not convinced that is worth it. That's always been my argument. Woo, we boycotted China, now the world economy is in the shitter and people are worse off than ever, etc...

I absolutely agree with you in principle, on that.
But what we think doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, and what i hate is the hypocrisy. If at least it kept some coherence.

 

[Vayra86]

Ohhh snaaap. Prepare your wallets...

Gaming industry in nutshell. Boycot USA! Good that I'm living in EU .

Right, because EU GPU prices are definitely better, right?

MSRP for us happened when?

Makes sense to me, China bad, don't buy stuff from them. Pretty reasonable and coherent, the world is at balance. The opposite is what doesn't makes sense to me.

Sense? More like 'China bad, but keep buying stuff from them, because we simply can't make it, but you'll still pay more'. I'm not against tariffs, but the motivation is at best extreme hypocrisy.

Let's just be truly honest: 'we'll do whatever it takes to protect our economy and global leadership positions'. Thén we're making sense again. Its not a bad thing either, we all do this each on our own sphere of influence. Its why we can't have nice things like peace & harmony.

 

[Chrispy_]

The madness of all this is that most of the Nvidia GPUs are still selling at or above MSRP, despite those MSRPs having been set when the original tariffs were still in effect.

We've had all this time without the tariffs and the f*cking things are still overpriced....

 

[GreiverBlade]

Same, here in my shitty EU country we have 27% Tax/VAT by default but ye whatever.

not in EU 7% VAT but price are usually 25% higher, before that, than everywhere else in the world ... thus we have similar pricing as U.S. with import tariffs anyway ... (and that since long ago )

oh well i make do with it anyway (no ... i do not work in a bank or have a 5 digit salary )

 

[Legacy-ZA]

Ohhh snaaap. Prepare your wallets...

Gaming industry in nutshell. Boycot USA! Good that I'm living in EU .

I don't see why the customer always has to take the brunt of the price increases when a**holes like nGreedia publish Billions upon Billions in record profits contineously.

People, vote with you wallets please, only buy when you really need, not because you "want"

 

[Pumper]

Usually yes. There is a 2nd reason to issue then though, when you are big enough as a consumer economy, and that's to punish a percieved enemy.

That's what these are.

Only in trumpian "logic" as the ones being punished (paying the import tax) are the US residents, not China.

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

I'm not really for the tariffs personally, but at least I've been consistent on that point. These aren't and never will be "democratic tariffs" And if they were I'd still see them as stupid.

You missed his point. Trump was a Republican White Christian Nationalist figurehead. Joe Biden is Democratic Centrist. So people in the first camp will happily endure all sorts of idiocy from their team and then yellow like scalded ferrets when the other side either does the same thing or doesn't cancel the policy outright.

If you want to know how Jan 6 happened in the US it's the same mindset.

 

[Eva01Master]

Even if the US were to stop buying GPUs coming from China cold-turkey, that won't actually put a dent on their government, those kind of sanctions have not debilitated the grip of their regime in the slightest and have created ripples across the rest of the world...

 

[R-T-B]

You missed his point.

He missed mine, so that's fair.

So people in the first camp will happily endure all sorts of idiocy from their team and then yellow like scalded ferrets when the other side either does the same thing or doesn't cancel the policy outright.

Hey wait, that was my point... you guys are point thieves... this game is rigged.

Only in trumpian "logic" as the ones being punished (paying the import tax) are the US residents, not China.

Everyone suffers. Even if they pass the price to consumers, it conseqently hurts China because card vendors will move to other places in an attempt to streamline things (see Taiwan).

I do not agree with the tariffs but to say only the consumer suffers is silly.

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

There is a lot of hypocrisy, Russia was bad but we bought their oil, Iran idem, Saudis idem. China is bad but we buy their stuff. If there is one thing i learned in life is there is always a choice (unless you're in some gulag), certain choices are just easier. This has more to do with momentary interested then doing the right thing.
Anyway...

The tech stuff is not about money. The US has long been concerned about China's industrial espionage and the implications of what would happen in the tech sector if China invaded Taiwan. The US isn't the only one either, we just happen to be the largest in this mess. But the US can't just order companies to move stuff back here or over to Japan. What the US can do is impose sales import/export laws, tarrifs, trade laws, manfucaturing rules, and fund massive investments at home. Which is what is already being done.

It's funny because we see all sorts of posts here on how China is bad and things need to be moved out but when it touches meh vidya games people get upset.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Such impositions are politically motivated as are the decisions to choose what tariffs are exempt. If it can hurt China, some US politicians are all for it damn the consumer. This is where we(US) contact our congress-person and tell them to put pressure wherever is appropriate to continue to exempt GPUs from tariffs.

This war only hurts consumers, not a whole lot we can do about the whole thing.