- Mar 10, 2010
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|System Name||RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II|
|Processor||Amd R7 3800X@4.350/525/ Intel 8750H|
|Motherboard||Crosshair hero7 @bios 2703/?|
|Cooling||360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu Monoblock Gpu full cover all EK|
|Memory||Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 32Gb in four sticks./16Gb|
|Video Card(s)||Sapphire refference Rx vega 64 EK waterblocked/Rtx 2060|
|Storage||Silicon power qlc nvmex3 in raid 0/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd|
|Display(s)||Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.|
|Case||Lianli p0-11 dynamic|
|Audio Device(s)||Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset|
|Power Supply||corsair 1200Hxi|
|Mouse||Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless|
|Keyboard||Roccat Aimo 120|
|VR HMD||Oculus rift|
|Software||Win 10 Pro|
|Benchmark Scores||8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506|
Exactly, and succinctly I don't have the eloquence you do but heartily agree with all of it.... where to start? Sigh.
- Laptops today are not made like laptops in 2006 or 2012. As I said, there are no socketed mobile CPUs. Zero. Intel doesn't make any, AMD doesn't make any. Period. They're all soldered. Unless you're buying a giant DTR """laptop""" using desktop CPUs, you're not getting the option to upgrade your CPU. Period. Enterprise/commercial laptops are exactly the same.
- Given that the storage in the Steam Deck is upgradeable (you'll likely find higher capacity m.2 2230 drives in the future, and faster microSD cards too), that point is moot.
- Your estimation of the longevity of the Steam Deck is ... odd. If it can play a huge library of games now, it will be able to play the same games or any games equally demanding for as long as the device works. That is bound to be more than three years. Obviously it won't be playing AAA games five or ten years from now, but neither will any gaming laptop at any quality setting that the owner will deem good enough considering its price and specs. Or desktop GPUs, really. There's no way to future proof against increasing GPU demands in future games.
- Given how much better the build quality of most devices is these days (those 2006 HPs you mentioned were garbage - I know, I used to sell them, and I've seen too many cracked and broken ones to count) I'd be surprised if this didn't last several decades if treated well. The battery will obviously wear out, and you'd need to clean the fan, but that's par for the course for any laptop.
- An argument for increased repairability and upgradeability in laptops in general is not especially applicable towards this device in particular. Why? Because unlike the Apples, Dells and others of the world, this actually does something useful with its density. I really wish all laptops were as upgradeable as the Framework laptop, but that's not the world we live in, at least not yet. But that's not an argument against the usefulness, performance or longevity of the Steam Deck in particular, but a critique of the industry overall.
- Those upgradeable €400 laptops you're speaking of - what was the gaming experience like? Yeah, no, even at their time they were nowhere close to the Steam Deck's purported performance today.
- No, laptops have never used "mini PCIe" GPUs. They have used MXM ones, but most have had the GPU integrated onto the motherboard. And MXM GPUs have never been freely sold on the open market, and upgradeability has been essentially a pipe dream. A few manufacturers have sold GPU upgrades for their laptops for a few years, but it's been a while since I've seen that happen, and they were inevitably incredibly expensive.
- So you're actually positing a 3 kilogram 17.3" laptop as a relevant alternative to a 600g handheld? I mean, it's clear that you don't understand the use case for a handheld, but come on! On top of that, that's a laptop with a 5-year-old GPU, a 3-year-old CPU (which is likely slower than the 4c8t Zen2 chip in the Steam Deck even at 15W vs. 35W), half the memory at a much slower speed, etc... like, what are you trying to say here? Yes, you can get good value in a bigger laptop if a bigger laptop is what you want. But it won't be a tiny, use-anywhere handheld, nor will it sip power, fit easily in your hands, etc. Different types of products have different use cases.
- Saying "the post was about laptops and their longevity, not about their gaming capabilities" in a thread that is about a gaming device is .... very, very odd. I mean, if you want a laptop and not a handheld gaming PC, go buy a laptop. Is anyone stopping you? Is the existence of the Steam Deck somehow problematic for people who just want a day-to-day laptop? Of course not. This whole "laptop longevity" discussion is a massive side track with little to no relevance to this topic.