Vega 56 Pulse or RTX 2060 Founder/Zotac Twin?

[notb]

What I meant is that the current gpu's that support raytracing are not powerful enough to utilize it in a way that matters. Who cares about some nice puddle reflection? I want full raytraced lighting and shadows.

Computers can't do full ray-traced lighting. They can only approximate.
Computers can't even store precise numbers, so what exactly do you expect?

My best guess is that some game and engine developers rather optimize for the majority (with possible incentives behind it). We've seen lots of recent games where radeon graphic cards perform better than its nvidia counterparts.

Which are often badly ported console games.
If you don't care about optimization, a game will likely run better on a more powerful hardware, which is usually AMD.
If you care, it may be easier to optimize for Nvidia. It's certainly easier to do computing on Nvidia.

As for Tensor and RTX cores - we're still talking about using them as Nvidia wants you to do in a gaming card, i.e. for DLSS and RTRT. But the same stuff is found in computing accelerators - doing more general tasks. After all it's just a circuit optimized for certain algebra problems. It's a matter of time until we learn how to utilize them in consumer PCs.

So while using RTRT will always mean a drop in fps (like any other image quality option), switching it off could mean that the hardware can be used for other jobs => provide a performance boost.
It's a bit too early to judge, but look what happened with the whole GPGPU phenomenon. And it all started in a similar way - GPU makers designed circuitry that was meant to improve lighting effects.

 

[moproblems99]

Computers can't do full ray-traced lighting. They can only approximate.
Computers can't even store precise numbers, so what exactly do you expect?

Which are often badly ported console games.
If you don't care about optimization, a game will likely run better on a more powerful hardware, which is usually AMD.
If you care, it may be easier to optimize for Nvidia. It's certainly easier to do computing on Nvidia.

As for Tensor and RTX cores - we're still talking about using them as Nvidia wants you to do in a gaming card, i.e. for DLSS and RTRT. But the same stuff is found in computing accelerators - doing more general tasks. After all it's just a circuit optimized for certain algebra problems. It's a matter of time until we learn how to utilize them in consumer PCs.

So while using RTRT will always mean a drop in fps (like any other image quality option), switching it off could mean that the hardware can be used for other jobs => provide a performance boost.
It's a bit too early to judge, but look what happened with the whole GPGPU phenomenon. And it all started in a similar way - GPU makers designed circuitry that was meant to improve lighting effects.

Hey all well and good but your conversation does nothing for the OP. This is for another thread.

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Computers can't even store precise numbers, so what exactly do you expect?

Also, you may want to rethink that. Wall street would like to have a word with you.

in the games who i want to play, the Vega it's slower... XD

Then you have the answer. If it is within you budget, buy it. Don't make this brain surgery. It is merely a gpu.

 

[eidairaman1]

Hey all well and good but your conversation does nothing for the OP. This is for another thread.

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Also, you may want to rethink that. Wall street would like to have a word with you.



Then you have the answer. If it is within you budget, buy it. Don't make this brain surgery. It is merely a gpu.

Nuclear timer to boot lol

 

[Vario]

what?
I know that it's impossible


in the games who i want to play, the Vega it's slower... XD

You can sell the codes on ebay, type AMD game code and you can see that people do in fact buy the codes for a decent amount of money. You can think of it as a rebate on the purchase price.

 

[deemon]

You can sell the codes on ebay, type AMD game code and you can see that people do in fact buy the codes for a decent amount of money. You can think of it as a rebate on the purchase price.

Where or from who do you actually get the "included games"? I see vega gpu's for sale here, 0 included games mentioned.

 

[biffzinker]

Where or from who do you actually get the "included games"? I see vega gpu's for sale here, 0 included games mentioned.

Not all cards have the free games bundle.

This one does and it's selling for $339.99
https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16814131740

 

[deemon]

Not all cards have the free games bundle.

This one does and it's selling for $339.99
https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16814131740

Know any Europe sellers who does this?

 

[biffzinker]

Know any Europe sellers who does this?

Found this seller, I'm sure there's more than one.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...hbm2-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-193-pc.html

 

[cucker tarlson]

This availability of the game bundle is incredibly spotty. Here's a full list of vendors

https://www.amdrewards.com/terms?we...sionGUID=75a81528-7563-3270-973a-227e262453a1 -> go to "raise the game fully loaded radeon system integrator campaign" (4th link)

as an example,only two vendors in my country are covered by the program.that means I'm very limited to the choice of the seller if I want to get the bundle.The cheapest Vega 56 I can get there is 1770 pln for Gigabyte V56 dual fan,while in other shops I can get the much better V56 pulse at 1500pln.

The game bundle is quite good.The limited availability of Radeon cards has always been a problem,at least here in PL and many other European countries too. The terms of the game bundle are pretty outrageous as well given it's only a handful of vendors that will offer it, in the end you may pay for a card covered by the programme as much or even more than you'd do if you just found the best offer on the card and get the games separately. Yet people are once again fooled into thinking that AMD somehow lowered the msrp.

 

[notb]

only two vendors in my country are covered by the program.that means I'm very limited to the choice of the seller if I want to get the bundle.The cheapest Vega 56 I can get there is 1770 pln for Gigabyte V56 dual fan,while in other shops I can get the much better V56 pulse at 1500pln.

3 (Komputronik, Morele, X-Kom).
And of course they raise the price. Why not? They're selling a more attractive product than the store that isn't covered by the offer.
It's the same story as with cashbacks. Some shops are included and some are not. And the price difference is usually very close to the cashback value.

That's the whole point of making such campaigns. People always think about lowest price they've seen. That's their reference point when they hear about additional bonuses.

Remember: all promotion/marketing campaigns cost money. Manufacturers / sellers organize them to earn more, not to give you stuff for free.
And if they're making more profit, it means you're paying more, right?

It's just like with phone+plan bundles. It's always more expensive than buying a phone and a plan separate (even from the same provider). Imagine how much additional work this generates for the company (they have to get the phones, store them, train the sales people and so on).

But people still buy phone bundles because finding how much the phone costs and multiplying the monthly payment by 24 is so f..g hard.

 

[floop]

At the end, i buyed a Vega 56 pulse with 3 games bundle.
Now, i dont know what fan buy for the ryzen 2600.
Noctua u12s?
Coolermaster ml240l rgb?

 

[eidairaman1]

At the end, i buyed a Vega 56 pulse with 3 games bundle.
Now, i dont know what fan buy for the ryzen 2600.
Noctua u12s?
Coolermaster ml240l rgb?

Can you get Scythe, Thermalright There?

 

[xkm1948]

At the end, i buyed a Vega 56 pulse with 3 games bundle.
Now, i dont know what fan buy for the ryzen 2600.
Noctua u12s?
Coolermaster ml240l rgb?

Default cooler works just fine.

 

[floop]

Can you get Scythe, Thermalright There?

which Scythe? or Deepcool with rgb fan?

Default cooler works just fine.

yeah but if i want to oc ?

 

[Zubasa]

which Scythe? or Deepcool with rgb fan?

yeah but if i want to oc ?

Depends on how far you want to OC, for mild OCs the stock cooler would do okay as well.
For max OCs you might want to get something beefier or get an AIO.

Some of those big air coolers are a pain in the rear with blocking ram slots etc,
and they cost almost as much as some AIO Liquid anyway.
For AIO I would stay away from Coolermaster, I have expereince of their pumps dying in a year or so.

 

[floop]

oh ok... thanks!!!

Noctua? Are horrible but great, no?

 

[R0H1T]

Horrible in what sense - color, pricing? They're arguably the best when it comes to air cooling as well as fans, though pricey for sure.

 

[floop]

yeah for the color... i have a iTek Lunar 23r2 like a case with rgb fans.

 

[kurosagi01]

The stock cooler for ryzen is perfectly fine for the non-x if you're only going to overclock it to run it at the turbo speed.
Also congrats on the purchase of Vega 56.

 

[medi01]

1. its alot faster
2. its have alot better efficiency
3. its keep value much better, meaning if you want sell it after few years and buy new gpu again,its easy.
4. better drivers reason, (nvidia)
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FUD part is marked with this color, (highly) arguable with this

 

[bug]

FUD part is marked with this color, (highly) arguable with this

If you think "better drivers" is FUD, you're not a Linux user. AMD improved a lot in the past few years, but their OpenCL still trails Nvidia: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=rocm-20-linux50&num=1
If all you do is game on Windows, I don't imagine there's any significant difference between the two. Outside that, there is.

 

[Vya Domus]

which Scythe? or Deepcool with rgb fan?

yeah but if i want to oc ?

You don't need an AIO or crazy expensive air coolers. My 1700X OC'd to 4 Ghz (albeit on low voltage) can be kept cool by a Scythe Katana 4 which wasn't particularly huge nor expensive. It's old but I see it can be found for as low as 30$ but I would probably buy something like this these days : https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9ZH6CU1449

 

[floop]

You don't need an AIO or crazy expensive air coolers. My 1700X OC'd to 4 Ghz (albeit on low voltage) can be kept cool by a Scythe Katana 4 which wasn't particularly huge nor expensive. It's old but I see it can be found for as low as 30$ but I would probably buy something like this these days : https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9ZH6CU1449

yeah you right!

but i search at moment somethings with rgb

 

[John Naylor]

which Scythe? or Deepcool with rgb fan?

yeah but if i want to oc ?

Don't expect much OC from Ryzen..... the $45 Scythe Fuma equals or outperforms the $90 flagship model air coolers from Noctua and Cryorig (and anyone else). And at the same fans speeds / noise levels any CLC on the market. The $37 Scythe Mugen Max if ya can find it is it's equal but may have fit problems in ya case

 

[medi01]

If you think "better drivers" is FUD, you're not a Linux user

1) There was no reference to Linux made, just the classical lie
2) When I'm working, OS doesn't matter, if I'm gaming AND using PC, games simply do not support it, so, shrug, how common a task is "working under Linux with OpenCL"?

Computers can't do full ray-traced lighting. They can only approximate.

Also, real ilght is a complex matter, diffraction and what not and, so there go your soft shades even if your ray tracing is running on uber machine.

I will just leave W1zzard’s words here

His tests show Vega to be 10% behind.
But, hold on:

But what about 1070Ti? Hm: