Vista version differances of the unknown ?.

[AsRock]

Well did not what else call the tread my main idea was to get this it's own tread as it's being talked about in another thread that does not need this in it really.

As a few or a lot of you know that MS did a windows feedback program some time ago. Well i got a "COUGH" 2 of what i call free copy's of windows ones 32bit and the other 64bit.

Some of the chat about this can be found here between me and jonmcc33.
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?p=823862#post823862


This is the last comment that had and thought about making this thread again.

I wasn't aware that there was a "free" version. That's a complete install of Windows Vista Ultimate within a VirtualPC VM. That came from a Dell installation DVD, which if anything should be "more bloated" with extra Dell garbage. It had all the bells and whistles that Ultimate comes with.

Oh, it's grossly similar in size to a fresh Windows Vista Business install off of an ISO downloaded directly from Microsoft's VLA website.

Not sure where you are coming with the "different versions" story. I'm talking about an official Microsoft installation here and not some mucked up (possibly pirated) install that you have. Nothing from Microsoft is free unless it is pirated. Hopefully this will discourage you from anymore "umm, no" comments in the future as well.

Edit - Just to satisfy more curiousity, here's a fresh install of Windows Vista Business 32-bit with proof of how much storage space is used after installation.

Do the math and that's 6GB. Not sure if you are aware of the differences between Business and Ultimate but there aren't many. Some simple games, BitLocker and Windows Media Center. This install is from the official ISO off of Microsoft's VLA website as well.

Anymore comments you'd like to add?

I guess ya wrong bout knowing all versions of Vista.


Now to me this makes me mad as it looks like he's calling me a thief. BUT could be just a miss understanding due to me calling copys of Win Vista free though the windows program.

Anyways here's a few pics. Which to me my version is different from what you would normally get. You will see the CD name is different and by the name to me imply's FRE=FREE ?. There is another user on here i have seen who has these cd's allso who has posted pics in the past too.

With no nlite just right of the original DVD a vista install will be just over 12.xGB.

 

[jonmcc33]

As a few or a lot of you know that MS did a windows feedback program some time ago. Well i got a "COUGH" 2 of what i call free copy's of windows ones 32bit and the other 64bit.

Funny, because I did a search for "LRMCxFRE_EN_DVD" on Google and the first match is for ThePirateBay.org. Then several other BitTorrent websites, such as Demonoid.com.

If you look at the name of my DVD, it's clearly for the Volume Licensing. Yet you called it an upgrade version? No...VOLUME LICENSE!

Here, this is a screenshot with me logged into the MVLS website to download Windows Vista Business SP1 (full version - volume license).

Some of the chat about this can be found here between me and jonmcc33.
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?p=823862#post823862

This is the last comment that had and thought about making this thread again.

I've shown you two fresh installs, both from the Dell installation media for Windows Vista Ultimate and the MVLS Windows Vista Business ISO. You had the nerve to tell me "umm, no" as if I am an idiot.

I guess ya wrong bout knowing all versions of Vista.

Not sure what to make of this. Here is a direct link: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/choose.mspx

Yes, I know the differences. Windows Vista Business has everything that Ultimate does except for some games, BitLocker and Windows Media Center. That's by default, period. You have the "extras" but those are downloaded afterwards.

Now to me this makes me mad as it looks like he's calling me a thief. BUT could be just a miss understanding due to me calling copys of Win Vista free though the windows program.

Anyways here's a few pics. Which to me my version is different from what you would normally get. You will see the CD name is different and by the name to me imply's FRE=FREE ?. There is another user on here i have seen who has these cd's allso who has posted pics in the past too.

With no nlite just right of the original DVD a vista install will be just over 12.xGB.

I've shown you my proof and then some. You show me yours. You keep saying it's over 12.XGB but haven't shown a screenshot yet with proof of that, just some muck about what version you have, that it's activated (which pirated versions can do too) and the Explorer view.

Do me a favor, go download VirtualBox or VirtualPC. Install Vista Ultimate in it and take a screenshot like I did proving that it takes 12.XGB. You can do a simple install and not activate it.

Sorry if I come off a little brash, but when someone tells me "umm, no" even when I show them proof and continue to bad mouth me I am going to stand up to them. Take it or leave it.

 

[AsRock]

So what you can find all versions pirated under what ever the disk image is called.... Mines called that due to MS calling it that.


If i came over making you think that i was saying you was a pirate well thats just jumping to conclusions. Fact is there's a lot of difference in your and my version as mines over 3GB in size were as yours is some thing like 1GB smaller.

Apparently there is a version you did not know of.

Sure i'll reinstall Vista again it's not if i really us it for any thing anyways i'll just do it with the original DVD and my vLite version is around 4GB less and thats what i am using now..

I've shown you two fresh installs, both from the Dell installation media for Windows Vista Ultimate and the MVLS Windows Vista Business ISO. You had the nerve to tell me "umm, no" as if I am an idiot.

I guess we are both wrong as your doing the same thing. And i was wrong to think that there was not a 8GB installed vista by default....

To say my version is against the law is totally incorrect on your behalf.

EDIT
And here's another user with it. Maybe he would check his DVD ?.
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=774359&postcount=30

 

[Fitseries3]

what are you asking here? there is too much to read to figure out what your question is. i'll be happy to help.

 

[AsRock]

what are you asking here? there is too much to read to figure out what your question is. i'll be happy to help.

The naming of your DVD what is it ?..

See jonmcc33 wants me to prove that Vista install is 12+GB which if i remember right you are not planing to use ( which i'll do tomorrow ). But would be nice of you to post the size of it's contents and the DVD label name.

 

[Fitseries3]

the title doesnt matter. there are 5 different versions of the disk anyways. the 12gb one has (or should have) both 32 and 64 bit versions of all the different versions of vista(basic, home prem, business, ultimate).

here's the breakdown...

1. vista individual (one os only, very rare, usually comes with new computer form best buy or equivalent)
2. vista OEM dvd (2 different versions, one 32bit , one 64bit. these disks have all the versions but in either 32 or 64bit only. also, when installing these disks will format all hard disks in the machine b4 installing vista)
3. vista retail 2dvd set (one 32bit, 1 64bit. all of each version on each disk but in 32bit or 64bit flavors. does not format drives unless you specify)
4. vista retail retail/msdn/system builders master disk( 1 disk, all versions in 32 and 64bit)

you key will determine which version gets installed UNLESS you have a retail key. then, to install 64bit you MUST install vista without a key and then enter it when windows loads later.

 

[AsRock]

the title doesnt matter. there are 5 different versions of the disk anyways. the 12gb one has (or should have) both 32 and 64 bit versions of all the different versions of vista(basic, home prem, business, ultimate).

here's the breakdown...

1. vista individual (one os only, very rare, usually comes with new computer form best buy or equivalent)
2. vista OEM dvd (2 different versions, one 32bit , one 64bit. these disks have all the versions but in either 32 or 64bit only. also, when installing these disks will format all hard disks in the machine b4 installing vista)
3. vista retail 2dvd set (one 32bit, 1 64bit. all of each version on each disk but in 32bit or 64bit flavors. does not format drives unless you specify)
4. vista retail retail/msdn/system builders master disk( 1 disk, all versions in 32 and 64bit)

you key will determine which version gets installed UNLESS you have a retail key. then, to install 64bit you MUST install vista without a key and then enter it when windows loads later.

I guess mine is #2 but it does not make me format the hard drive and would explain why my vlite install is smaller as it asks which version you want to use. thanks for the info.

 

[Fitseries3]

the one from windows product feedback is #3.

 

[AsRock]

the one from windows product feedback is #3.

Ahh ok cheers. Still kinda interested to know the cd label lol. Must be just vLite giving options i guess. All so a guess if i tried to make a DVD under other than Ultimate it would not activate ?.

 

[jonmcc33]

And here's another user with it. Maybe he would check his DVD ?.
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=774359&postcount=30

Do a fresh install because that's what we're talking about. I don't know why you've shown for the second time a picture of a stupid DVD. It doesn't show the storage space used on a fresh install, which is what I took offense to with your "umm, no" comment.

Prove me wrong with that or...UMM, NO!

BTW- You raised my curiosity as to why you said I had an "upgrade" version?

Edit- Don't reinstall Vista. Why would you do that? Install VirtualBox or VirtualPC and just install Vista in it. Just don't activate it. You are given a grace period for activation on Vista. Just install it in a VM so you can see how much space it actually uses. That's what you said in this post that started all of this!

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=822704&postcount=16

 

[AsRock]

Do a fresh install because that's what we're talking about. I don't know why you've shown for the second time a picture of a stupid DVD. It doesn't show the storage space used on a fresh install, which is what I took offense to with your "umm, no" comment.

Prove me wrong with that or...UMM, NO!

BTW- You raised my curiosity as to why you said I had an "upgrade" version?

Edit- Don't reinstall Vista. Why would you do that? Install VirtualBox or VirtualPC and just install Vista in it. Just don't activate it. You are given a grace period for activation on Vista. Just install it in a VM so you can see how much space it actually uses. That's what you said in this post that started all of this!

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=822704&postcount=16

Yeah i will reinstall it tomorrow morning. And i am on about just the windows folder and what is in it by default.

That was my bad about the upgrade thing were it says upgrade windows vista.

Ahh well it needs reinstalling anyways cannot be assed to sort out the DX9 problem just do not have the time for it.

Why would you do that? Install VirtualBox or VirtualPC and just install Vista in it.

Never tried or used it..

 

[jonmcc33]

Yeah i will reinstall it tomorrow morning. And i am on about just the windows folder and what is in it by default.

That was my bad about the upgrade thing were it says upgrade windows vista.

Ahh well it needs reinstalling anyways cannot be assed to sort out the DX9 problem just do not have the time for it.

What? No, take a screenshot just like I did. It's not that hard.

It says Upgrade Windows Vista because it was Business edition! It will say Upgrade until you have Ultimate. Didn't you say some crap about me not knowing my Windows Vista versions? Are you sure you want to talk like that to someone in the future when you don't even know what you're talking about?

The problem with this is that you're going to start installing your drivers and crap after the install so it's going to muck up the entire point! :shadedshu

Never tried or used it..

Wow. I'm simply blown away at how complicated it might be for you to do this. Do you need a step by step walkthough or something?

 

[Darknova]

Wow...you guys are really quite petty.

My XP disc has FRE_EN.iso at the end, and is a legit copy from Microsoft. So FRE does not mean Free, not sure what it does mean, but it must mean something to Microsoft.

As to your last comment jonmcc33 that's out of line. I've never used VMWare, never had a reason too, are you going to try insulting me to?

Calm down, both of you and let this petty argument go.

 

[AsRock]

What? No, take a screenshot just like I did. It's not that hard.

It says Upgrade Windows Vista because it was Business edition! It will say Upgrade until you have Ultimate. Didn't you say some crap about me not knowing my Windows Vista versions? Are you sure you want to talk like that to someone in the future when you don't even know what you're talking about?

The problem with this is that you're going to start installing your drivers and crap after the install so it's going to muck up the entire point! :shadedshu



Wow. I'm simply blown away at how complicated it might be for you to do this. Do you need a step by step walkthough or something?

Ahh, forget you. You need to grow up pal thinking you know all... Even another user has posted that there's a 12GB version so WTF..

 

[kylew]

Wow...you guys are really quite petty.

My XP disc has FRE_EN.iso at the end, and is a legit copy from Microsoft. So FRE does not mean Free, not sure what it does mean, but it must mean something to Microsoft.

As to your last comment jonmcc33 that's out of line. I've never used VMWare, never had a reason too, are you going to try insulting me to?

Calm down, both of you and let this petty argument go.

I'm with darknova, just because you haven't used virtual box, doesn't make you stupid. You're not gonna know how to do it unless you've used it or know about it. Also, I'm guessing the "FRE_EN" could be "french and english"?

 

[jonmcc33]

Wow...you guys are really quite petty.

My XP disc has FRE_EN.iso at the end, and is a legit copy from Microsoft. So FRE does not mean Free, not sure what it does mean, but it must mean something to Microsoft.

Not sure but even the trial for Windows Server 2008 has FRE in it?

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...4C-A40E-4FD2-A0F7-32212B520F50&displaylang=en

As to your last comment jonmcc33 that's out of line. I've never used VMWare, never had a reason too, are you going to try insulting me to?

I didn't insult anyone. Most VM software for Windows is very user friendly. The Linux side, not so user friendly. It's not hard to install and click "New" and follow a wizard.

I'm just very irritated at his excuses really.

In regards to who is insulting who, did you not call me "petty" above? AsRock is the one that insinuated my level of knowledge by his "umm, no" comment and then stating that I was "wrong bout knowing all versions of Vista". Did you miss those comments or something?

AsRock started this thread to keep it out of another thread so it wouldn't be derailed. If you don't want to be a part of the conversation then bow out of it or don't get involved to begin with.

Here is his comment, you can see how rude he was to me after I was being nice and polite to give SOLID advice: http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=822704&postcount=16

Calm down, both of you and let this petty argument go.

I am calm, I just don't like my integrity being questioned. If I am wrong then I at least admit to it and appreciate being corrected. AsRock is a whole different story it seems. Still hasn't shown proof of his claim days later and it can take me an hour to produce mine.

Ahh, forget you. You need to grow up pal thinking you know all... Even another user has posted that there's a 12GB version so WTF..

I never said I knew it all. I just said how much storage space that Vista used up after installation and showed proof...TWICE. You are the one that told me "umm, no" and then went on and on without any proof, as if you know it all. Don't be a hypocrite.

Not sure what other user you are talking about that you think has shown some magical "12GB version".

So I guess both installs of Vista that I have shown you are incomplete? The Dell installation DVD and direct download from Microsoft are lacking a lot of features of their retail counterparts or something? You tell me since you seem to know everything. I'm all ears.

I'm with darknova, just because you haven't used virtual box, doesn't make you stupid. You're not gonna know how to do it unless you've used it or know about it. Also, I'm guessing the "FRE_EN" could be "french and english"?

I never said anyone was stupid. Don't put words into someone's mouth. I just don't get how hard it would be for someone to do an install in a VM as opposed to reformatting their entire computer?

No, FRE isn't for French. See the Microsoft link I posted above.

 

[AsRock]

In regards to who is insulting who, did you not call me "petty" above? AsRock is the one that insinuated my level of knowledge by his "umm, no" comment and then stating that I was "wrong bout knowing all versions of Vista". Did you miss those comments or something?

I actually thought i apologized for that to be honest. I did how ever have a quick look and did not see any thing but yes i was wrong for saying that.... I was foolish to think that your copy would be the same install size due to it being a DELL version. As DELL would possibly take un needed drivers out of it. As a few are known for custom XP CD's too.


Facts are though that yours does not have all the drivers with it were mine does thats it basically.. Another fact mine is not a ripp off copy it's just as good as your copy...

kylew
I'm with darknova, just because you haven't used virtual box, doesn't make you stupid. You're not gonna know how to do it unless you've used it or know about it. Also, I'm guessing the "FRE_EN" could be "french and english"?

Yeah i guess thats possible.

 

[jonmcc33]

I actually thought i apologized for that to be honest. I did how ever have a quick look and did not see any thing but yes i was wrong for saying that.... I was foolish to think that your copy would be the same install size due to it being a DELL version. As DELL would possibly take un needed drivers out of it. As a few are known for custom XP CD's too.

Facts are though that yours does not have all the drivers with it were mine does thats it basically.. Another fact mine is not a ripp off copy it's just as good as your copy...

Like I said, there were two different installs. One was from a Dell DVD and the other a Microsoft provided ISO.

There are no drivers missing at all, again...stop making up excuses. I don't know why it is taking you so long as well? Are you giving up? If so make it known so I don't have to waste my time anymore with this. You can't tell someone "umm, no" without anything to back it up.

Yeah i guess thats possible.

No, it's not. Look at the Microsoft link that I provided for the Windows Server 2008 trial.

Edit- I did some research and found something interesting: http://www.msfn.org/board/Vista-X64-SP1-install-size-vs-Vista-t116379.html&p=758464

Post #10 is rather interesting. So, only the x64 versions of Vista are (in fact) bloated above 10GB. Every single x86 version is 7GB or less. So I am correct and so are you, AsRock. Hopefully this bug is now squashed.

01. Windows Vista Starter x86......................6.26GB
02. Windows Vista Home Basic x86...............6,37GB
03. Windows Vista Home Premium x86..........7,63GB
04. Windows Vista Business x86...................6,82GB
05. Windows Vista Ultimate x86....................7,71GB
06. Windows Vista Enterprise x86.................6,81GB
07. Windows Vista Home Basic x64...............9,43GB
08. Windows Vista Home Premium x64..........11,14GB
09. Windows Vista Business x64....................10,27GB
10. Windows Vista Ultimate x64.....................11,24GB
11. Windows Vista Enterprise x64..................10,25GB

 

[AsRock]

Like I said, there were two different installs. One was from a Dell DVD and the other a Microsoft provided ISO.

There are no drivers missing at all, again...stop making up excuses. I don't know why it is taking you so long as well? Are you giving up? If so make it known so I don't have to waste my time anymore with this. You can't tell someone "umm, no" without anything to back it up.



No, it's not. Look at the Microsoft link that I provided for the Windows Server 2008 trial.

Edit- I did some research and found something interesting: http://www.msfn.org/board/Vista-X64-SP1-install-size-vs-Vista-t116379.html&p=758464

Post #10 is rather interesting. So, only the x64 versions of Vista are (in fact) bloated above 10GB. Every single x86 version is 7GB or less. So I am correct and so are you, AsRock. Hopefully this bug is now squashed.

01. Windows Vista Starter x86......................6.26GB
02. Windows Vista Home Basic x86...............6,37GB
03. Windows Vista Home Premium x86..........7,63GB
04. Windows Vista Business x86...................6,82GB
05. Windows Vista Ultimate x86....................7,71GB
06. Windows Vista Enterprise x86.................6,81GB
07. Windows Vista Home Basic x64...............9,43GB
08. Windows Vista Home Premium x64..........11,14GB
09. Windows Vista Business x64....................10,27GB
10. Windows Vista Ultimate x64.....................11,24GB
11. Windows Vista Enterprise x64..................10,25GB

Well i owe you a apology lol.. Were i said it was 12GB was false it's actually 11.1GB and 13.4GB after updates except .Net 3.x as i did not install that.

Still a crazy amount. Windows Vista Enterprise x86 and below are more acceptable installs to me anyways.

My XP x64 install comes in around 3.8GB with most updates installed.

 

[warhammer]

My Vista ULTIMATE 64 + Sp1 is..

Size C = 15.7 GB (16,873,034,048 bytes)
62,750 files
12,392 folders

 

[kylew]

Well i owe you a apology lol.. Were i said it was 12GB was false it's actually 11.1GB and 13.4GB after updates except .Net 3.x as i did not install that.

Still a crazy amount. Windows Vista Enterprise x86 and below are more acceptable installs to me anyways.

My XP x64 install comes in around 3.8GB with most updates installed.

I suppose it doesn't matter all that much due to ultimate being aimed at highend PCs anyway.

Also, the discs with SP1 included have been forgotten about, I downloaded a vista ISO that has both 32 and 64 bit, also with SP1. The installation of that is over 12GB. So there is a version of vista that installs 12GB of data

 

[jonmcc33]

Well i owe you a apology lol.. Were i said it was 12GB was false it's actually 11.1GB and 13.4GB after updates except .Net 3.x as i did not install that.

Still a crazy amount. Windows Vista Enterprise x86 and below are more acceptable installs to me anyways.

My XP x64 install comes in around 3.8GB with most updates installed.

No need to apologize, as I said we were both correct. I guess I wasn't factoring in the 64-bit because those are always larger and also includes data for x86.

The reason that Vista x64 is larger than XP x64 is because you have the larger base installation plus the compatibility files for both XP and Server 2003 in Windows Vista that Windows XP does not have (nor need).

Just try not to insult someone in the future until you know all the facts...and I will do the same.