What chipset will replace the H61?

[happy]

Before purchasing a H61 mobo, I can't seem to find anything that will be replacing the H61 chipset. Will the low end (i3 processor) Ivy processors be significantly better and cheaper than the low end Sandy processors? So should I purchase the H61 motherboard or wait until the Ivy processors release?

 

[LordJummy]

No one can predict performance of unreleased/untested products. They will be better (using logic). You should get the best thing you can afford now. Waiting is not smart, as there's always a new product on the horizon. You have to make a decision and get what suits your needs now!

 

[happy]

No one can predict performance of unreleased/untested products. They will be better (using logic). You should get the best thing you can afford now. Waiting is not smart, as there's always a new product on the horizon. You have to make a decision and get what suits your needs now!

Yeah I understand there will always be a better thing on the horizon, but if the low end ivy processors are going to be cheaper than the low end sandy processors, I am willing to wait.

 

[OneMoar]

no a sandybridge 2500 will be faster then a core i3 OF ANY stepping
quad core > dual core ALWAYS

 

[happy]

no a sandybridge 2500 will be faster then a core i3 OF ANY stepping
quad core > dual core ALWAYS

I meant that I am looking to buy a i3 processor and a h61 mobo. I don't plan to invest in the i5 or the i7. I was wondering if the i3 equivalent for the Ivy processors will be significantly faster and a bit cheaper than the sandy i3 processors.

 

[OneMoar]

significantly NO faster by a percent ... yes especially if you intend on overclocking or using the built in Gpu else no .....
a i3 is going to be slow no matter what reversion it is ... perfectly capable of surfing the Internets and watching video but don't expect a whole lot more then that
tl;Dr I would't waste the money on a lga 2011 board just yet ... for the same price you could get a z68 board and a core i5 2500

 

[happy]

significantly NO faster by a percent ... yes especially if you intend on overclocking or using the built in Gpu else no .....
a i3 is going to be slow no matter what reversion it is ... perfectly capable of surfing the Internets and watching video but don't expect a whole lot more then that
tlr I would't waste the money on a lga 2011 board just yet ... for the same prince you could get a z68 board and a core i5 2500

O I have a $230 budget. So I ony plan to do as you exactly said "surfing the internets and watching video". However, I do plan to play some games but not trying to play at high fps. This rig is just being built to salvage some parts. Sure I could use these parts for other things, but my other build already has enough HDD and enough Memory. So just going this new rig for my room.

 

[OneMoar]

O I have a $230 budget. So I ony plan to do as you exactly said "surfing the internets and watching video". However, I do plan to play some games but not trying to play at high fps. This rig is just being built to salvage some parts. Sure I could use these parts for other things, but my other build already has enough HDD and enough Memory. So just going this new rig for my room.

well if you are locked at a 230 dollar budget thats what AMD is all about
this AMD A8-3870K Unlocked Llano 3.0GHz Socket FM1 100W...
and GIGABYTE GA-A55M-DS2 FM1 AMD A55 (Hudson D2) Micro...
and call it a day
unless you have a gpu onhand .... trying to game on a intel Igpu is like trying to pull a 30foot boat with a S10
you can pull it but you wont be going very fast or very far

 

[happy]

Thanks for the suggestion. I too was looking at AMD, but it a platform I seldom try to research or know much about. Well seems like it will fit my budget quite well. But isn't the i3 3.1 ghz more than the AMD A8's 3.0 ghz. I know this .1 difference isn't that much but why is the A8 better than the i3? Is it the integrated graphics?

 

[OneMoar]

Thanks for the suggestion. I too was looking at AMD, but it a platform I seldom try to research or know much about. Well seems like it will fit my budget quite well. But isn't the i3 3.1 ghz more than the AMD A8's 3.0 ghz. I know this .1 difference isn't that much but why is the A8 better than the i3? Is it the integrated graphics?

exactly a amd's igpu is worlds faster then intels also the one I listed is a unlocked version that allows you to overclock it to 3.2 and beyond .....
even left at stock specs the difference in igpu power would be pretty noticeable _if_ you do any-kind of gaming on it

 

[happy]

But isn't AMD processors notorious for getting super hot when overclock?
Do I have to get a new heatsink? (That's money I don't want to spend)

 

[OneMoar]

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But isn't AMD processors notorious for getting super hot when overclock?
Do I have to get a new heatsink? (That's money I don't want to spend)

depends on how far you push it you should be-able to get 3.2 or maby 3.4 on the stock cooler coolers are cheap anyway throw a hyper 212+(25 bucks) on it and wind it out to 4ghz >_>
all cpu's putout more heat with you overclock intels run waaaaaaaaaay hotter then amd....
a 2500k will get upwards of 80c on the stock cooler @ stock speeds
a AMD phenom II for example should't break 60c

 

[happy]

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depends on how far you push it you should be-able to get 3.2 or maby 3.4 on the stock cooler coolers are cheap anyway throw a hyper 212+(25 bucks) on it and wind it out to 4ghz >_>
all cpu's putout more heat with you overclock intels run waaaaaaaaaay hotter then amd....
a 2500k will get upwards of 80c on the stock cooler @ stock speeds
a AMD phenom II for example should't break 60c

Wow, thanks for the suggestion. Greatly appreciated.
At what temp if I do overclock for the A8 should I be watching until I should get that hyper 212.

 

[OneMoar]

Wow, thanks for the suggestion. Greatly appreciated.
At what temp if I do overclock for the A8 should I be watching until I should get that hyper 212.

keep it under 70c a note on the AMD APU's the onchip gpu benefits greatly from having fast ram slower then DDr3 1600 really hurts the graphics performance

 

[happy]

keep it under 70c a note on the AMD APU's the onchip gpu benefits greatly from having fast ram slower then DDr3 1600 really hurts the graphics performance

I have this already -->ADATA It's slow enough right?

 

[OneMoar]

I have this already -->ADATA It's slow enough right?

thats ok 1333 is good 1600 is better and 1866 is best ...
now off to sleep with me ......

 

[happy]

thats ok 1333 is good 1600 is better and 1866 is best ...
now off to sleep with me ......

Thanks for the help.

 

[happy]

I forgot to add the i3 has Hyper Thread which the AMD A8 lacks. I do plan to run many applications at once. Will it be a problem for the A8?

 

[dude12564]

I forgot to add the i3 has Hyper Thread which the AMD A8 lacks. I do plan to run many applications at once. Will it be a problem for the A8?

I thought the A8 has 4 physical cores, while the i3 is 2 Physical cores, with hyper-threading for 4 logical cores.

"Our testing, with Unigine again, shows a very distinct performance effect of increased memory clock frequency. It looks like the sweet spot is at 1600 MHz, at which point memory is still extremely affordable. If you need to maximize performance, opting for the 1866 MHz memory variant offers around 5% extra 3D rendering performance. Certainly interesting, but not worth it when taking into account price/performance, as 1866 MHz modules are far more expensive than 1600 MHz memory."http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/A8-3850_Fusion_GPU_Performance/14.html

 

[happy]

well if you are locked at a 230 dollar budget thats what AMD is all about
this AMD A8-3870K Unlocked Llano 3.0GHz Socket FM1 100W...
and GIGABYTE GA-A55M-DS2 FM1 AMD A55 (Hudson D2) Micro...
and call it a day
unless you have a gpu onhand .... trying to game on a intel Igpu is like trying to pull a 30foot boat with a S10
you can pull it but you wont be going very fast or very far

Hey OneMoar,
I know you recommended the GIGABYTE GA-A55M-DS2 FM1 AMD A55 (Hudson D2) Micro ATX AMD Motherboard, but is this one better in terms of more sata connections and layout --> GIGABYTE GA-A55M-S2V FM1 AMD A55 (Hudson D2) Micro ATX AMD Motherboard?

 

[OneMoar]

there both good the other-one was cheaper is all

 

[ViperXTR]

yep, A8 has 4 physical cores which can be an advantage over the i3 if 4 threads are heavily used.
Im satisfied with my current sandy i3 tho (most games are still stuck on dual core use anyway lol, Serious Sam 3 and Skyrim for example), but im considering getting a K processor once the ivy's are released (mmm, i5 3570K)

 

[happy]

there both good the other-one was cheaper is all

I see. Well I have researched more about the amd fm1 processors, and the one you recommended me is definitely way better than the i3 2100 in terms of the igpu and the ability to overclock (good to have it at a cheap price too even though I don't know if I will).
But I still question why AMD is far more cheaper than the intels? The A8 3870k has the equivalent core as the i5 2500 yet it is cheaper by 50 dollars. Why is this. The A8 also has the ability to overclock which the 2500 lacks.

 

[OneMoar]

I see. Well I have researched more about the amd fm1 processors, and the one you recommended me is definitely way better than the i3 2100 in terms of the igpu and the ability to overclock (good to have it at a cheap price too even though I don't know if I will).
But I still question why AMD is far more cheaper than the intels? The A8 3870k has the equivalent core as the i5 2500 yet it is cheaper by 50 dollars. Why is this. The A8 also has the ability to overclock which the 2500 lacks.

the 2500(K) is overclock able the non "K" inst and a i2500k would crush a A8 or pretty much Any amd chip on the cpu side ... the gpu how ever is another matter the performace tree follows thus
2600k+ discrete gpu > 2500k + discrete gpu > AMD Phenom II + discrete gpu > AMD A8 && AMD 6670 gpu > A8 igpu only > intel igpu's*
If it was me I would REALLY consider saving your money and doing a full system upgrade ... a 2500k and a decent gpu could be had for less then 500 bucks

 

[happy]

the 2500(K) is overclock able the non "K" inst and a i2500k would crush a A8 or pretty much Any amd chip on the cpu side ... the gpu how ever is another matter the performace tree follows thus
2600k+ discrete gpu > 2500k + discrete gpu > AMD Phenom II + discrete gpu > AMD A8 && AMD 6670 gpu > A8 igpu only > intel igpu's*
If it was me I would REALLY consider saving your money and doing a full system upgrade ... a 2500k and a decent gpu could be had for less then 500 bucks

The problem is that because I don't even plan to game that much. But I want to be able to game (once in a while) at a decent fps. I also multi-task alot which the A8 you recommended me fits my budget as well as my needs. I am currently restoring and building many rigs; hence the $230 budget.

Thanks