What was your AM4 experience?

[outpt]

For some reason, who knows, the platform for me was fine. I did manage it ,seems, to not have many of the problems others are having/had.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

I just can't do it. I really want AMD to win and to completely smash Intel. Why? To finally make the Intel fanboys shut up and stop all their gloating.

I am by far not an Intel Fan boy. I struggled with AMD all the way through Phenom (Agena) Phenom II and FX processors for daily and competitive overclocking. Bought into 1st and 2nd Gen Ryzen before the Intel rig and 8700K which I used this for 3D benching and then daily use.

But AMD really brought a lot of performance to the table on Ryzen 5000 series. They did have the upper hand for a bit!

 

[trparky]

But AMD really brought a lot of performance to the table on Ryzen 5000 series. They did have the upper hand for a bit!

Oh yeah. If you saw my original post in this thread, I upgraded my father's system with a 5600X by replacing the original 2600X with the same motherboard and he instantly saw a 40% performance boost. That's nothing to sneeze at!

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Oh yeah. If you saw my original post in this thread, I upgraded my father's system with a 5600X by replacing the original 2600X with the same motherboard and he instantly saw a 40% performance boost. That's nothing to sneeze at!

Exactly!

FreeAgent and I did a little comparison. His water cooled 5900X vs the 8700K (at 6ghz+) and PiMod. He beated my 6ghz 8700K man!!!

 

[trparky]

Yep. He likes to play Civilization and he commented to me that late into the game, the 2600X was a dog. Most turns would take over a minute to complete. The 5600X did the same late-game turns in a fraction of the time.

 

[tussinman]

AM5 looking good, but I won't be their guinea pig for launch production chips anymore.

If AMD can fix just two things on AM5 - launch day silicon quality and QA, and AGESA the bug-manufacturing demon - many more happy campers will there be, and getting rid of the few remaining reasons to go intel.

That's exactly the issue i'm having. I'm doing a full system rebuild end of September so logically AM5 would make sense but given there previous track record i'm not sure if I want to be a guinea pig. The other alternative would be Alderlake (most motherboards have had 3 or 4 bios updates since launch) with a 12400 and then get a discounted 13th gen chip when 14th gen comes out

 

[trparky]

That's exactly the issue i'm having. I'm doing a full system rebuild end of September so logically AM5 would make sense but given there previous track record i'm not sure if I want to be a guinea pig. The other alternative would be Alderlake (most motherboards have had 3 or 4 bios updates since launch) with a 12400 and then get a discounted 13th gen chip when 14th gen comes out

I'm really debating that too. Should I just dive right on in with AM5 or go with an Intel Core i7-12700K?

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Very tempting.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

That's exactly the issue i'm having. I'm doing a full system rebuild end of September so logically AM5 would make sense but given there previous track record i'm not sure if I want to be a guinea pig. The other alternative would be Alderlake (most motherboards have had 3 or 4 bios updates since launch) with a 12400 and then get a discounted 13th gen chip when 14th gen comes out

I'm running a 12400F and B660-G. The board I picked up for 235$ and supports BCLK and DDR5. All I can say is it's bloody fast, but not at stock. The memory performance is kinda bad until you get up and above 5800mhz, then you really see some uplift. But gen 1 DDR5 you know.... has it's quirks yet. That's why I don't anticipate AMD claiming 6000mhz for average builds being the real deal Holyfield if you know what I mean. Cause it's not quite that easy on Intel unless you wanna fork out the big bucks for the top boards and memory kits.

 

[freeagent]

His water cooled 5900X

You mean air cooled

 

[Deleted member 185158]

You mean air cooled

I thought you had it under a loop? (at the time we compared)

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

The only problems I faced were initially poor memory support and later unstable overclocks caused by. Me.

 

[LifeOnMars]

B450 Cheap Assrock board 2 years ago /16Gb 3200 Gskill+ 3600@4.2 - Smooth as silk at 1440p with a 5700xt

The same Cheap Assrock board/Added 16Gb, so now 32Gb 3200 Gskill+ 5700X@Eco Mode - Smooth as silk at 4K with a 3080 12Gb

I've been very happy

 

[freeagent]

I thought you had it under a loop? (at the time we compared)

No sir, the closest I got to watercooling was with my H100 on x5690

It was good for a year.. and then down hill from there

Edit:

It is why I smack talk CLC systems all the time

 

[Deleted member 185158]

No sir, the closest I got to watercooling was with my H100 on x5690

It was good for a year.. and then down hill from there

Still have that screen shot? We can show everyone 5000 chips POAWAR!!!!!!

Ahem, also let me correct myself 6ghz+ was actually at 6.2ghz and core/thread reduction to increase epeen!!!

You know I won a comp at OverclockersForums with this screen shot too!

 

[tabascosauz]

I just can't do it. I really want AMD to win and to completely smash Intel. Why? To finally make the Intel fanboys shut up and stop all their gloating.

Part of me wants AMD to fall short on Ryzen 7000. We've all seen what a complacent AMD looks like (Ryzen 5000 pricing 2020, RDNA2 supply 2020-2021). But an AMD up against the ropes also sends AGESA straight to the dark ages which is far worse, so i'll just hope for some close and healthy competition this generation.

I've not seen any real masses of Intel fanboys since the 9900K. Intel didn't give them much ammunition after But whenever something new comes up (eg. fTPM stutter) and we want AMD to fix asap, first to chime in are always the Ryzen-can-do-no-wrong gang. "I've never had any stutter on my Ryzen" "well Intel has x problem and it's worse". The fTPM issue was lucky, in that it simply got too big to ignore with evidence too damning to explain otherwise.

The hardware is [now] solid. But 3 years of offloading QA onto the customer - getting sick of it.

That's exactly the issue i'm having. I'm doing a full system rebuild end of September so logically AM5 would make sense but given there previous track record i'm not sure if I want to be a guinea pig. The other alternative would be Alderlake (most motherboards have had 3 or 4 bios updates since launch) with a 12400 and then get a discounted 13th gen chip when 14th gen comes out

I'm thinking the same, wanting to get on the trailing edge instead of the leading edge of releases, for a change. Tired of paying more for less. 11th gen let me down last time, though, from the rumors I'm not blown away by 13th gen. If not, AM5 is chock full of life - waiting for 8000 is easy.

I should revise my statement - 6 months into production seems to be the golden ticket for AMD. Yields and AGESA have matured to a point where CPU is exactly as advertised, and might even get in on some price drops too.

But there's no reason why we should consider that "acceptable". 6 months is halfway to the next release...

 

[eidairaman1]

Worked right out of the box

 

[A Computer Guy]

If these chips didn't loose 20% by running 1:2 mclk : Fclk, maybe it would had been more enticing for me personally.

I thought I saw an older buildzoid video that suggested if you could get the difference between mclk and fclk > 166MHz you could overcome the latency penalty.

 

[trparky]

I've not seen any real masses of Intel fanboys since the 9900K.

Then you haven't seen...
Potential Ryzen 7000-series CPU Specs and Pricing Leak, Ryzen 9 7950X Expected to hit 5.7 GHz | TechPowerUp Forums
Read the last few pages if you need an example of outright Intel fanboism.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

I thought I saw an older buildzoid video that suggested if you could get the difference between mclk and fclk > 166MHz you could overcome the latency penalty.

Yes that is 100% true and Buildzoid knows his shit. In fact I recently referenced a ddr5 OC video of his for my own uses.

Say you uncouple at 4000mhz, at 4400mhz you're making up that performance with a little extra. This is because bandwidth is king.

______

For my daily use, I try to find the performance through efficiency.

For example, using PiMod in the screen shot above is a raw mhz push. You can tell by the numbers it's not really efficient. If it took nearly or exactly the same time to complete each loop, then you know the efficiency is good and should stick with that overclock. Because it will be consistent performance.

 

[freeagent]

Still have that screen shot? We can show everyone 5000 chips POAWAR!!!!!!

Ahem, also let me correct myself 6ghz+ was actually at 6.2ghz and core/thread reduction to increase epeen!!!

You know I won a comp at OverclockersForums with this screen shot too!

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Hopefully this will do! I am on my phone atm..

freeagent`s 6 sec 820 ms score: SuperPi - 1M with aRyzen 9 5900X

The Ryzen 9 5900X @ 5150.3MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the SuperPi - 1M benchmark. freeagentranks #1993 worldwide and #17 in the hardware class. Find out more at HWBOT.

hwbot.org

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Hopefully this will do! I am on my phone atm..

freeagent`s 6 sec 820 ms score: SuperPi - 1M with aRyzen 9 5900X

The Ryzen 9 5900X @ 5150.3MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the SuperPi - 1M benchmark. freeagentranks #1993 worldwide and #17 in the hardware class. Find out more at HWBOT.

hwbot.org

I know the screen shot is at LTT for sure. Like 98% percent sure that's where you bitch slapped me lol.


edit edit edit.

Maybe it was a 3D benchmark? We both running the GTX 980's maybe?
Can't remember, obviously it was a while ago now. And the Pipe. That doesn't always help either XD

 

[freeagent]

I know the screen shot is at LTT for sure. Like 98% percent sure that's where you bitch slapped me lol.


edit edit edit.

Maybe it was a 3D benchmark? We both running the GTX 980's maybe?
Can't remember, obviously it was a while ago now. And the Pipe. That doesn't always help either XD

Edit:

Ohh I think it was 3DMark.. Firestrike maybe?

 

[A Computer Guy]

Part of me wants AMD to fall short on Ryzen 7000. We've all seen what a complacent AMD looks like (Ryzen 5000 pricing 2020, RDNA2 supply 2020-2021). But an AMD up against the ropes also sends AGESA straight to the dark ages which is far worse, so i'll just hope for some close and healthy competition this generation.

I've not seen any real masses of Intel fanboys since the 9900K. Intel didn't give them much ammunition after But whenever something new comes up (eg. fTPM stutter) and we want AMD to fix asap, first to chime in are always the Ryzen-can-do-no-wrong gang. "I've never had any stutter on my Ryzen" "well Intel has x problem and it's worse". The fTPM issue was lucky, in that it simply got too big to ignore with evidence too damning to explain otherwise.

LOL, I never did notice any stutter on my Ryzen and Windows 10 (ver1809 to current). (2600, 3800x, 3950x, and 5950x on x470 or 2200g, and 2700 on b450)
I didn't realize it until after watching this video

that I likely did have the stuttering problem with my 3800x on b550 while gaming.
At the time I thought the problem was my HDMI cable which I replaced and the problem seemed to go away. Now I'm curious to test the new UEFI/BIOS with my old HDMI cable to see what happens.

So far my biggest issues (on my x470 daily) were
- Memory compatibility / overclocking (worked around with manual timings with each AGESA release)
- USB reset glitch for a short time (introduced and resolved with BIOS/UEFI update and/or driver update)
- Blowing out my board with PBO (extreme fatality)
- A handful of minor annoyances that didn't really impact me being able to work

The hardware is [now] solid. But 3 years of offloading QA onto the customer - getting sick of it.

Not a fan of that either however now new tech is turning around from both AMD and Intel not sure how to avoid it completely other than the traditionally wait a few months for them to work the bugs out. I'm pretty happy with what I have now and will probably skip the 7000 series unless someone in the family needs an upgrade.

 

[stinger608]

Only problem I (had) was terrible lag trying to run the stupid Windows 11 LOL.

Other than that, it's been very solid! And quick!

 

[thegnome]

Yep. He likes to play Civilization and he commented to me that late into the game, the 2600X was a dog. Most turns would take over a minute to complete. The 5600X did the same late-game turns in a fraction of the time.

Can confirm, but to a much lesser degree for me. Likely because the Civ I play is the 5th one, which is already over 10 years old.