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I'm thinking of replacing my 2080Ti to 3080Ti/3090. The prices in the second hand market are tempting.
I believe the 4080 will be 5-10% faster than 3080Ti at best, will be available -practically- at Christmas the soonest and cost about 1000 euros, also practically.

So, a 3080Ti at that price or lower, doesn't seem a bad idea to me.

Any suggestions?
Not sure where you are in the world but in Australia the pricing on 3090s particularly is still shocking.
 
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Not sure where you are in the world but in Australia the pricing on 3090s particularly is still shocking.

I'm in UK.
The prices for new gpu are ok-ish here but I wouldn't buy a new 3080Ti/3090 at msrp 2 years after the release and certainly a couple of months before the next gen release.
I'm thinking of a second hand gpu. These prices are quite tempting....
 
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These prices are still to high even at MSRP. GPUs are out since 2020 and by now they should be way below MSRP .
 

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Prices go down but not by much and definitely not below the 2020 MSRP.
New generation coming in several weeks.

NVIDIA & AMD GPU Prices Saw 57% Drop Since The Beginning of 2022, 14% Used GPU Price Drop Since June Alone (wccftech.com)

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB, RTX 4080 16 GB, RTX 4070 10 GB Graphics Card Specs Leaked: Flagship Rumored To Feature Over 2.75 GHz Clocks at 450W TGP (wccftech.com)

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Prices go down but not by much and definitely not below the 2020 MSRP.
New generation coming in several weeks.
They should go down since as if they launched yesterday. Prices are still unnatural.
 

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They should go down since as if they launched yesterday. Prices are still unnatural.

The problem is a global pricing issue in Europe.

Newegg lists the 16 GB Radeon RX 6800 XT for 695 dollars incl. shipping: radeon rx 6800 xt | Newegg.com

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That is 660 euros at the exchange rate for today:

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Meanwhile, in Europe they ask 800 euros: AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT Grafikkarte Preisvergleich | Günstig bei idealo kaufen

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Robbery during a bright daylight :kookoo::banghead:

A purchase is an agreement/deal between a seller and a buyer. If one of the sides uses its position to dominate, it is not good for either side.
 

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ab € 759,00 with VAT included 20%. so it's the same.

We have to wait for the miners let go of all the cards ~600 Th/s (3070 60.00 Mh/s),
The resellers have to feel some pressure. There is no way around it.
 

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ab € 759,00 with VAT included 20%. so it's the same.

US states have no VAT. The German price is the lowest in Europe, in some other countries it is multiple times higher.

You can ask the EU commission to erase the VAT from technology products such as graphics cards.
 
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Most of the US does have sales tax though, even if it's "only" around 8-10%.
Well too bad 4070 isn't out by xmas it seems like, but oh well.
 
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But prices in online stores are without sale tax, I presume? So... your final price is different based on the state you are ordering from? Looks kinda complicated...
 
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Most of the US does have sales tax though, even if it's "only" around 8-10%.
Well too bad 4070 isn't out by xmas it seems like, but oh well.

Five are without any VAT, and most and in the 4-7% range. 8-10% is the worst.

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Sales taxes in the United States - Wikipedia

Europe is so bad in this regard. Hungary, for example, has the highest - 27%, Sweden, Norway and Denmark - 25%, Greece, Iceland and Finland - 24%, Portugal - 23%.
While Switzerland is the best - 7.7%. VAT Rates in Europe | Value-Added Tax | European Rankings (taxfoundation.org)
 

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Well you have to quote the price without VAT for direct comparison and problem solved.
so 759 / 1,19 would be 637. shipping included, now to be fair this is the only store. Most of them start at 999, so it's pretty bad. and probably doesn't ship to EU, Germany only. And even if it did, remains 19% I guess. SO recipient being in Hungary doesn't matter, VAT remains 19%.
 
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But prices in online stores are without sale tax, I presume? So... your final price is different based on the state you are ordering from? Looks kinda complicated...

Taxes are complicated here in the USA. Where I live the sales tax is 9.25% but there is no State Income Tax. Tags for cars are ridiculously cheap compared to some places I've lived. $30 a year whether you drive an old clunker or a brand new luxury car.

One thing is certain, the tax man is going to get his money one way or another. That applies to every country no matter where you live.
 

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You mean 799.
759 for the asrock taichi, up until 18.6, 2 weeks ago used to be 964 shown by the price development chart on the pricewatch, we are slowly getting there. Just this one store over at the mindblown factory, but the others will follow I suppose.
 

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Not listed there, the other pricever.. not shipping abroad. But resellers are scouting those deals for quick bucks no doubt.
it's happening. Very real. unraveling rapidly over the next few months.
 
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60% & 49% is the percentages if you compare 4090/3090 base/boost clocks.
The 33% percent where did you find it?
Because it says that the actual max (boost) is 2750MHz vs the advertised (traditionally for Nvidia the actual max boost is 5-10% more vs the advertised boost depending on the model and on top of that we have what the OC models can do)
I didn't see a highly OC 3090 model like Strix/Aorus hitting 2100MHz (factory clocks) either, so logically it will be at least 43% instead of 33% imo.
Edit: it's from the article, but the assumptions are wrong imo
 
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Taxes are complicated here in the USA. Where I live the sales tax is 9.25% but there is no State Income Tax. Tags for cars are ridiculously cheap compared to some places I've lived. $30 a year whether you drive an old clunker or a brand new luxury car.

One thing is certain, the tax man is going to get his money one way or another. That applies to every country no matter where you live.

But prices in online stores are without sale tax, I presume? So... your final price is different based on the state you are ordering from? Looks kinda complicated...


Vehicle tabs in MN are stupid pricy when you have a new car because it's based on the value of the car and the age of it.

There's the administration fee of $10.
There is a filing fee of $6.
There is a wheelage tax (depends on the county you live in); my county is $10.
That's just $26 in fees/taxes.

Next:
The biggest charge is based on the age & MSRP of your car (you're charged 1.25% of the car's MSRP) + shipping charges when the car is brand new (whatever the hell that entails, I don't know). Then, every year you pay tabs the value of the car drops by 10 percentage points. During the first year of the vehicle's life, the assessment is based on 100 percent of the base value. It's 90 percent for the second year, 80 percent for the third year, 70 percent for the fourth year and so on. In year 10, the state stops calculating the value and gives the flat rate sum of $25.

As to where the state finds the MSRP value of your car, it can differ for each person. The value many be obtained from the dealership or KBB or Edmunds or even a national database.

If you purchase a new car and it's MSRP is $50,000
1.25% is $625
Admin fee = $10
Filing fee = $6
Wheelage tax = (depends on your county); mine is $10

First year for Tabs in MN for a $50k car is going to be roughly $650 +/- a little depending on wheelage tax for your county.

Sales taxes are pretty simple for the average person living in the US. Sales tax will vary from state to state and even vary from county or even city. Examples: Hennepin county in MN has a sales tax rate of 7.53%. The city of Minneapolis resides in Hennepin county, but it has a different sales tax rate of 8.03%.

There can certainly be variations in what is taxed and why it is taxed, here are a couple examples:
In MN, there are no taxes on clothes/shoes. If you see a price tag of $50 on a pair of shoes, you pay $50. (but if you drove to Wisconsin - about a 45 minute drive from my location - clothing is taxed there. As you can see, what is taxed/not taxed will vary from state to state).
Also in MN, food at the grocery store is not taxed - unless it is food that is prepared for you. For example; you buy a loaf of bread on the shelf - no tax because there was no human preparation of the food once it gets to the shelf. If you go to the deli and purchase a sandwich that's been made (bread, mayo, mustard, meat, lettuce, etc) - taxed because human preparation was required to make the sandwich.

For most other things you'll always be taxed - the price you see marked on an item will be that price + sales tax. If you buy a GPU and it's priced $500 and the sales tax is 7.5%, you'll pay a total of $537.50 at the register.
 

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60% & 49% is the percentages if you compare 4090/3090 base/boost clocks.
The 33% percent where did you find it?
Because it says that the actual max (boost) is 2750MHz vs the advertised (traditionally for Nvidia the actual max boost is 5-10% more vs the advertised boost depending on the model and on top of that we have what the OC models can do)
I didn't see a highly OC 3090 model like Strix/Aorus hitting 2100MHz (factory clocks) either, so logically it will be at least 43% instead of 33% imo.
Edit: it's from the article, but the assumptions are wrong imo

I think the main assumption is that users should stop considering and stop the unnecessary purchases of the old generation because something considerably faster is just around the corner.
 
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Interesting, according to wccftech the rops in ad102 is 384 (instead of 192 that it would have if the rops was an Ampere derived iteration)
Probably ad102 can do 384 pixel launch-test/cycle and 192 pixel color blends/cycle (not unlike Navi21 which can do 128 pixel launch-test/cycle but only 64 pixel color blends/cycle)
 

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I'm thinking of replacing my 2080Ti to 3080Ti/3090. The prices in the second hand market are tempting.
I believe the 4080 will be 5-10% faster than 3080Ti at best, will be available -practically- at Christmas the soonest and cost about 1000 euros, also practically.

So, a 3080Ti at that price or lower, doesn't seem a bad idea to me.

Any suggestions?
Yeah stick with what you have until the RX7000 arrives

Vehicle tabs in MN are stupid pricy when you have a new car because it's based on the value of the car and the age of it.

There's the administration fee of $10.
There is a filing fee of $6.
There is a wheelage tax (depends on the county you live in); my county is $10.
That's just $26 in fees/taxes.

Next:
The biggest charge is based on the age & MSRP of your car (you're charged 1.25% of the car's MSRP) + shipping charges when the car is brand new (whatever the hell that entails, I don't know). Then, every year you pay tabs the value of the car drops by 10 percentage points. During the first year of the vehicle's life, the assessment is based on 100 percent of the base value. It's 90 percent for the second year, 80 percent for the third year, 70 percent for the fourth year and so on. In year 10, the state stops calculating the value and gives the flat rate sum of $25.

As to where the state finds the MSRP value of your car, it can differ for each person. The value many be obtained from the dealership or KBB or Edmunds or even a national database.

If you purchase a new car and it's MSRP is $50,000
1.25% is $625
Admin fee = $10
Filing fee = $6
Wheelage tax = (depends on your county); mine is $10

First year for Tabs in MN for a $50k car is going to be roughly $650 +/- a little depending on wheelage tax for your county.

Sales taxes are pretty simple for the average person living in the US. Sales tax will vary from state to state and even vary from county or even city. Examples: Hennepin county in MN has a sales tax rate of 7.53%. The city of Minneapolis resides in Hennepin county, but it has a different sales tax rate of 8.03%.

There can certainly be variations in what is taxed and why it is taxed, here are a couple examples:
In MN, there are no taxes on clothes/shoes. If you see a price tag of $50 on a pair of shoes, you pay $50. (but if you drove to Wisconsin - about a 45 minute drive from my location - clothing is taxed there. As you can see, what is taxed/not taxed will vary from state to state).
Also in MN, food at the grocery store is not taxed - unless it is food that is prepared for you. For example; you buy a loaf of bread on the shelf - no tax because there was no human preparation of the food once it gets to the shelf. If you go to the deli and purchase a sandwich that's been made (bread, mayo, mustard, meat, lettuce, etc) - taxed because human preparation was required to make the sandwich.

For most other things you'll always be taxed - the price you see marked on an item will be that price + sales tax. If you buy a GPU and it's priced $500 and the sales tax is 7.5%, you'll pay a total of $537.50 at the register.

We have no State Tax here, but there is sales, property, Alcohol, vehicle taxes.

Sales Tax in most major cities is 8.25%
 
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Thnx for the research ARF, lol. I'm in CA, not Alabama. Indeed VAT & some non-USA prices sure can be wack. Anyways people need to sometiems have more "gumption" and not settle for paying so much just to get certain gpus. Personally I might not go 40 series anyways or concerned w/ 30 series dropping much, but 3-4 months is not very long. --Edit: definitely mainly liking the ATX 3 and 12+4pin setup. Haven't done a single cable since my GTX 660.
 
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