Which 2080 Super?

[moproblems99]

So this is probably like my third post on this topic but the ole Vega 56 just can't do it anymore. Games like RDR2 and Fallen Order have me down to like 40-50FPS on the lowest settings and nearing the lower limits of Freesync 2. So, as much as I tried to hold off, I just can't do it. Right now I am leaning toward either the Founders Edition or the Ultra XC as this card is likely just a stop gap until later next year when the new generation of cards becomes available. However, for a small sum more I can get what appears to be a better overall card in the MSI.

What do you think? Keep in mind these points:

• This will likely be replaced in a year or less depending on GPU reqs for CP2077.
• If I can find a 2080 Ti for less than $1k then I will buy it and likely skip next gen all together.

 

[potato580+]

msi obviously
but to be frank as for me i probably go for fe, becouse i like cheapest one

 

[xkm1948]

3440*1440 resolution right? Why not get a good 5700XT? It should make best use of FreeSync2 I would assume.

Or how about waiting for big Navi to drop at least?

 

[btarunr]

MSI Gaming X Trio was the quietest out of the box among the 2080S we tested, so I'd recommend that.

 

[eidairaman1]

Heck I'd say Zotac, inno 3d, colorful Galaxy/KFA, Gainward/Palit.

Or asus

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I recently helped a buddy with a 3700X/2080 super build and he went with the Msi Gaming X trio on my advice. The card runs super cool and quiet even out of the box it was hitting around 2000Mhz boost clocks and didn't break 72c even when overclocked.



If you hate RGB it's definitely not the card for you though. I like the way it looks personally.

 

[Komshija]

I recommend higher-clocked RX 5700XT instead of much more expensive 2080 Super. For the example, Sapphire Nitro+ RX 5700XT Special Edition or XFX RX 5700XT Thicc III Ultra. Someone made a direct comparison of these two:

In other words, 2080 Super is a bad option considering its very high price tag and unnoticeably higher in-game FPS.

Another good option is used GTX 1080 Ti with valid warranty since it will basically perform as RTX 2080 - meaning negligibly slower than RTX 2080 Super.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I recommend higher-clocked RX 5700XT instead of much more expensive 2080 Super. For the example, Sapphire Nitro+ RX 5700XT Special Edition or XFX RX 5700XT Thicc III Ultra. Someone made a direct comparison of these two:

In other words, 2080 Super is a bad option considering its very high price tag and unnoticeably higher in-game FPS.

Another good option is used GTX 1080 Ti with valid warranty since it will basically perform as RTX 2080 - meaning negligibly slower than RTX 2080 Super.

The 2080 S is 17-26% faster depending on resolution over a range of games I'm pretty sure the OP is aware of this and has decided the 5700XT isn't good enough regardless of how good a value it is. He plays at 3440x1440 I believe so he's likely going to be in the 20-22% faster range. Pascal is pretty terrible in RDR2 a game the OP stated he plays so I doubt he's keen on picking up a 2-3 year old 1080 ti.

 

[moproblems99]

I recommend higher-clocked RX 5700XT instead of much more expensive 2080 Super. For the example, Sapphire Nitro+ RX 5700XT Special Edition or XFX RX 5700XT Thicc III Ultra. Someone made a direct comparison of these two:

In other words, 2080 Super is a bad option considering its very high price tag and unnoticeably higher in-game FPS.

Another good option is used GTX 1080 Ti with valid warranty since it will basically perform as RTX 2080 - meaning negligibly slower than RTX 2080 Super.

I have contemplated picking up a 5700xt but 50-60fps at the lowest settings is not that much more appetizing than the 40-50 I get now. I'll be honest in that the 60-70 fps I will get with the 2080s is not that particularly appetizing either. Sigh.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I know the price sucks but I've really enjoyed my 2080 ti even coming from the Titan Xp the difference has been more than I expected especially once overclocked.


If I was in your boat I would probably try to find a used evga variant on Ebay given the warranty transfers.

 

[xkm1948]

I have contemplated picking up a 5700xt but 50-60fps at the lowest settings is not that much more appetizing than the 40-50 I get now. I'll be honest in that the 60-70 fps I will get with the 2080s is not that particularly appetizing either. Sigh.

Wait for big Navi then. This GPU cycle is getting to the end. Amprere and maybe RDNA2 based GPUs will come out next year. I would wait at least until CES to see what they announce first.

 

[moproblems99]

Wait for big Navi then. This GPU cycle is getting to the end. Amprere and maybe RDNA2 based GPUs will come out next year. I would wait at least until CES to see what they announce first.

Long time to wait and play games at 40fps.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

i'll vote for MSi gaming x trio. Great card and quiet operation

 

[Komshija]

This is the thing. If, theoretically, an RX 5700XT pulls on average 50 FPS (let's say high level of details) in newest GPU-demanding games with your resolution, an RTX 2080 Super will pull 60 FPS in the same configuration. Humans can hardly notice such small differences.

There will be always trolls who will claim that they can notice 10 or 15 FPS difference and that is was absolutely and unquestionably worthy to spend $$$$ or €€€€ for such negligible difference (eg. going from perfectly working GTX 1080 to GTX 1080 Ti or some similar scenario). They literally behave like this:


With the most powerful consumer GPU like RTX 2080 Ti in the same scenario as mentioned above, you will be able to pull maybe 68 FPS, of course, if you are ready to waste your money and spend beyond ridiculous premium for this GPU. As a matter of fact, you can buy two RX 5700XT, buy 850W or 1000W 80 Plus Gold PSU and still have some money left compared to a price tag of a single RTX 2080 Ti. Two RX 5700XT will surpass the performance of a single RTX 2080 Ti and beat it in overwhelming majority of games.

Used RTX 2080 Super/Ti cards? That depends on where you live and how lucky you are to grab some excellent deal. Although it's extremely unlikely that you'll find perfectly working examples for the reasonable price.
Personally, I wouldn't spend more 430 € with included shipping costs and/or taxes for a GPU, regardless how popular it is. But that's me.

 

[phanbuey]

With the most powerful consumer GPU like RTX 2080 Ti in the same scenario as mentioned above, you will be able to pull maybe 68 FPS, of course, if you are ready to waste your money and spend beyond ridiculous premium for this GPU. As a matter of fact, you can buy two RX 5700XT, buy 850W or 1000W 80 Plus Gold PSU and still have some money left compared to a price tag of a single RTX 2080 Ti. Two RX 5700XT will surpass the performance of a single RTX 2080 Ti and beat it in overwhelming majority of games.

AMD’s RX 5700 cards ditched CrossFire because less than 1% of gamers care

AMD has left multi-GPU support to game developers as it gives up on CrossFire support with Navi

www.pcgamesn.com

Yes lol... with that scaling, the fact that crossfire isn't even a feature on the 5700 and you have to hack it to enable it, the lows and the fact only some DX12 games are supported; that it's so rare there are hardly any actual reviews of it... It definitely beats a single 250W 2080ti in the "Overwhelming Majority of Games". You should definitely go with 2 slower GPUs from a company that isn't multi-gpu anymore, instead of a faster gpu that will be easy to sell down the line once you're ready to upgrade, because it's still relevant.

Excellent. Also if you're thinking about a 5700xt, don't waste your money -- you can get a used set of 580s for less money, overclock them, and an 850W power supply, and it will be faster in the overwhelming majority of games.

 

[xkm1948]

Yeah! OP you should totally get a 5700xt

 

[Komshija]

@phanbuey : Oops. Ah well...

 

[64K]

It's hard to believe that people are still pushing Crossfire or SLI with such little support from Developers and AMD and Nvidia.

 

[Cheeseball]

Wait for big Navi if you can.

This is an alternative if you want to save $10.

 

[phanbuey]

Amazon warehouse deals has that MSI TrioX refurb for $699 if you wanna save $50.

Right now is kind of not a great time to buy brand new; since the next gen isn't so far away and the rumors are 58/5900xt and the upcoming 3 series are going to be lowering prices in the current high end.

 

[Cheeseball]

Amazon warehouse deals has that MSI TrioX refurb for $699 if you wanna save $50.

If this thing had the 20% deal that Amazon Warehouse sometimes does, I'll throw my wallet through my monitor.

 

[Jetster]

Resently bought a EVGA Ultra XC and FTW3 RTX 2080 and both were flawless. EVGA is doing really well with GPUs lately

 

[John Naylor]

I'll make this easy ... From TPU testing

ASUS RTX 2080 Super STRIX OC	2034 MHz​	2320 MHz​	180.6 FPS​
EVGA RTX 2080 Super Black	2017 MHz​	2290 MHz​	179.6 FPS​
EVGA RTX 2080 Super FTW3	2079 MHz​	2200 MHz​	183.7 FPS​
MSI RTX 2080 Super Gaming X Trio	2063 MHz​	2295 MHz​	184.8 FPS​
NVIDIA RTX 2080 FE	2100 MHz​	1980 MHz​	180.6 FPS​
NVIDIA RTX 2080 Super FE	2008 MHz​	2300 MHz​	169.0 FPS​
Palit RTX 2080 Super GameRock	2030 MHz​	2335 MHz​	180.7 FPS​
Zotac RTX 2080 Super AMP Extreme	2053 MHz​	2255 MHz​	183.6 FPS​

The Palit / Asus cards are 31 dbA with the "quiet BIOS " (aka lower performance settings) but among those running at full tilt ... the MSoi is also the quietest @ 32 dbA.

ASUS RTX 2080 Super STRIX OC	33°C​	28 dBA​	66°C​	37 dBA​
ASUS RTX 2080 Super STRIX OC (Quiet BIOS)	46°C​	Fan Stop​	76°C​	31 dBA​
EVGA RTX 2080 Super Black	50°C​	Fan Stop​	77°C​	38 dBA​
EVGA RTX 2080 Super FTW3	44°C​	Fan Stop​	68°C​	36 dBA​
EVGA RTX 2080 Super FTW3 (OC BIOS)	38°C​	27 dBA​	67°C​	37 dBA​
MSI RTX 2080 Super Gaming X Trio	51°C​	Fan Stop​	72°C​	32 dBA​
NVIDIA RTX 2080 FE	36°C​	29 dBA​	72°C​	35 dBA​
NVIDIA RTX 2080 Super FE	36°C​	29 dBA​	78°C​	36 dBA​
Palit RTX 2080 Super GameRock	34°C​	27 dBA​	74°C​	33 dBA​
Palit RTX 2080 Super GameRock (2nd BIOS)	50°C​	Fan Stop​	75°C​	31 dBA​
Zotac RTX 2080 Super AMP Extreme	48°C​	Fan Stop​	84°C​	37 dB​

As far as the 57000 XT being competitive .. . with both cards OC'd. The equivalent card to the 5700 XT is the 2070 (non super) with both cards overclocked, the 2070 is faster

AMD RX 5700	1726 MHz​	1860 MHz​	101.5 FPS​
AMD RX 5700 XT	2015 MHz​	1840 MHz​	118.1 FPS​
ASRock RX 5700 XT Taichi	2061 MHz​	1900 MHz​	120.5 FPS​
ASUS RX 5700 XT STRIX	2031 MHz​	1900 MHz​	118.3 FPS​
MSI RX 5700 XT Evoke	2050 MHz​	1900 MHz​	119.6 FPS​
MSI RX 5700 XT Gaming X	2068 MHz​	1900 MHz​	120.4 FPS​
PowerColor RX 5700 XT Red Devil	2000 MHz​	1900 MHz​	117.0 FPS​
Sapphire RX 5700 XT Nitro+	2064 MHz​	1900 MHz​	120.2 FPS​
Sapphire RX 5700 XT Nitro+ SE	2079 MHz​	1878 MHz​	121.4 FPS​
Sapphire RX 5700 XT Pulse	2001 MHz​	1900 MHz​	117.8 FPS​
XFX RX 5700 XT THICC II Ultra	2043 MHz​	1900 MHz​	118.7 FPS​
XFX RX 5700 XT THICC III Ultra	2077 MHz​	1900 MHz​	120.9 FPS​

 

[xkm1948]

I'll make this easy ... From TPU testing

ASUS RTX 2080 Super STRIX OC	2034 MHz​	2320 MHz​	180.6 FPS​
EVGA RTX 2080 Super Black	2017 MHz​	2290 MHz​	179.6 FPS​
EVGA RTX 2080 Super FTW3	2079 MHz​	2200 MHz​	183.7 FPS​
MSI RTX 2080 Super Gaming X Trio	2063 MHz​	2295 MHz​	184.8 FPS​
NVIDIA RTX 2080 FE	2100 MHz​	1980 MHz​	180.6 FPS​
NVIDIA RTX 2080 Super FE	2008 MHz​	2300 MHz​	169.0 FPS​
Palit RTX 2080 Super GameRock	2030 MHz​	2335 MHz​	180.7 FPS​
Zotac RTX 2080 Super AMP Extreme	2053 MHz​	2255 MHz​	183.6 FPS​

The Palit / Asus cards are 31 dbA with the "quiet BIOS " (aka lower performance settings) but among those running at full tilt ... the MSoi is also the quietest @ 32 dbA.

ASUS RTX 2080 Super STRIX OC	33°C​	28 dBA​	66°C​	37 dBA​
ASUS RTX 2080 Super STRIX OC (Quiet BIOS)	46°C​	Fan Stop​	76°C​	31 dBA​
EVGA RTX 2080 Super Black	50°C​	Fan Stop​	77°C​	38 dBA​
EVGA RTX 2080 Super FTW3	44°C​	Fan Stop​	68°C​	36 dBA​
EVGA RTX 2080 Super FTW3 (OC BIOS)	38°C​	27 dBA​	67°C​	37 dBA​
MSI RTX 2080 Super Gaming X Trio	51°C​	Fan Stop​	72°C​	32 dBA​
NVIDIA RTX 2080 FE	36°C​	29 dBA​	72°C​	35 dBA​
NVIDIA RTX 2080 Super FE	36°C​	29 dBA​	78°C​	36 dBA​
Palit RTX 2080 Super GameRock	34°C​	27 dBA​	74°C​	33 dBA​
Palit RTX 2080 Super GameRock (2nd BIOS)	50°C​	Fan Stop​	75°C​	31 dBA​
Zotac RTX 2080 Super AMP Extreme	48°C​	Fan Stop​	84°C​	37 dB​

As far as the 57000 XT being competitive .. . with both cards OC'd. The equivalent card to the 5700 XT is the 2070 (non super) with both cards overclocked, the 2070 is faster

AMD RX 5700	1726 MHz​	1860 MHz​	101.5 FPS​
AMD RX 5700 XT	2015 MHz​	1840 MHz​	118.1 FPS​
ASRock RX 5700 XT Taichi	2061 MHz​	1900 MHz​	120.5 FPS​
ASUS RX 5700 XT STRIX	2031 MHz​	1900 MHz​	118.3 FPS​
MSI RX 5700 XT Evoke	2050 MHz​	1900 MHz​	119.6 FPS​
MSI RX 5700 XT Gaming X	2068 MHz​	1900 MHz​	120.4 FPS​
PowerColor RX 5700 XT Red Devil	2000 MHz​	1900 MHz​	117.0 FPS​
Sapphire RX 5700 XT Nitro+	2064 MHz​	1900 MHz​	120.2 FPS​
Sapphire RX 5700 XT Nitro+ SE	2079 MHz​	1878 MHz​	121.4 FPS​
Sapphire RX 5700 XT Pulse	2001 MHz​	1900 MHz​	117.8 FPS​
XFX RX 5700 XT THICC II Ultra	2043 MHz​	1900 MHz​	118.7 FPS​
XFX RX 5700 XT THICC III Ultra	2077 MHz​	1900 MHz​	120.9 FPS​

Using the logic of someone posted above:

“Can your eyes see a difference between 121FPS and 184fps?”

OP has Freesync2 monitor which is why I think AMD GPU would better suite him. Also maybe even a Radeon 7?

 

[moproblems99]

Way too many quotes to manage with a phone but I seem to have resolved some of the playability issues and at least smoothed out the games. Stuttering and freezing and have been minimized so at this point I can stick this on the back burner for the 3rd or 4th time.

That said, I will never do multi gpu again. I spent more time using a single gpu than having both working. If I do need to buy, I'll likely pick up the gaming x trio.