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Which build i should choose for rendering?

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Aboag

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Hey guys...
I want to buy a new pre-build pc, and i found many choices for that, but there is two i conseder to choose one of them, the 1st with core i7 8700k, rtx 2080 and z370 motherboard, the 2nd one has core i9 9900k, rtx 2070 also with z370 motherboard.
The price is all most the same, and i need it for 3d rendering like v-ray, corona and lumion, so which one i should choose?
 
After a quick google search it seems vray can use either one but it looks like CPU is preferred. Corona uses CPU. Lumion uses GPU. So I guess it'll depend on which program you use the most. Also make sure to get at least 16GB of ram.

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Just gonna link you the stuff I found in case you want to look it over, or someone else.
vray, corona, lumion
 
Aboag said:
Hey guys...
I want to buy a new pre-build pc, and i found many choices for that, but there is two i conseder to choose one of them, the 1st with core i7 8700k, rtx 2080 and z370 motherboard, the 2nd one has core i9 9900k, rtx 2070 also with z370 motherboard.
The price is all most the same, and i need it for 3d rendering like v-ray, corona and lumion, so which one i should choose?
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I would get the 9900K. it is faster than the 8700K by a larger amount than the 2080 is over the 2070. If by a small amount, and it's always easier to get Render to work on the CPU. 9900K has 33.3% more cores than 8700K, 2080 has 27.7% more cores than 2080. Both comparisons have similar memory bandwidth. As as Rahnak says the CPU is preferred.

But I must add that for similar price you could get something like a 2920X? It would easily beat the 9900K in rendering. Even the 1920X would (these are cheaper than 9900K's at least here). is ther a way to customise the prebuilt. 1920X + 2080 might work? But otherwise I'd get the 9900K personally. Just had to throw some Ryzen in there for good measure^^
 
ArbitraryAffection said:
Yeah and if there is one thing we can agree on, it's that those zen cores are pretty good at rendering :)
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just look at the numbers I posted.
zen is a rendering cpu primarily.
it'd be silly to choose intel for one thing where ryzen can shine with the more cores approach.
 
yes go threadripper, the numbers add up.
 
cucker tarlson said:
just look at the numbers I posted.
zen is a rendering cpu primarily.
it'd be silly to choose intel for one thing where ryzen can shine with the more cores approach.
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Ugh! The first time i try to respect the OP's wish to get Intel and offer my advice on the Intel to get we both agree that Ryzen is better.

-_-
 
quick check-in: tr 1950x is more expensive than 9900k,at least here in PL,but I still think it's the way to go if it's a purely rendering rig.I got things confused cause I've seen them sell cheap used. Stock 1950x beats 7900x oc in rendering.that's enough for me.plus the op will be able to upgrade it to a bigger 7nm TR in the future.


btw,this is interesting,no one here to correct me when I thought 1950x sells at 8700k price,I only got upvoted for an obvious and glaring mistake. :laugh: But when I point out 8600k is cheaper than 2700x I always get a load of crap for saying what is basically 100% correct.only proves what I think fanboys.
lol,another upvote.this is hilarious.


1950x + x399 might be out of his budget after all.I still think it'd be a better idea to keep the TR platform and downgrade the gpu to rtx 2060 if gaming is not the primary goal here.
 
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It been said that video rendering is better with more cores. Not all programs are the same.
 
cucker tarlson said:
quick check-in: tr 1950x is more expensive than 9900k,at least here in PL,but I still think it's the way to go if it's a purely rendering rig.I got things confused cause I've seen them sell cheap used. Stock 1950x beats 7900x oc in rendering.that's enough for me.plus the op will be able to upgrade it to a bigger 7nm TR in the future.


btw,this is interesting,no one here to correct me when I thought 1950x sells at 8700k price,I only got upvoted.But when I point out 8600k is cheaper than 2700x I always get a load of crap for saying what is basically 100% correct.only proves what I think fanboys.
lol,another upvote.this is hilarious.
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I trusted you. You betrayed me. :| I didn't upvote you cuz I wanted ot spread fud, i did so because i trusted that you were correct. 1950X is £550-600 here, 9900K is £510~ 8700K is near £400. 1920X is £350. Prices fluctuate all the time so IDK. Please stop accusing me of being a fanboy. I stopped that behaviour now i consider myself "pro-AMD" not "bias" or a "fanboy". From now on I am trying really hard to stay focused and keep the neutral mindset and A) respect decisions to stay with one company without accusing, and B) looking at all products based on merit and price, not company bias. Fanboyism creates hostility and I hate it :<

1920X is the way to go IMO, here at least it is the same price as 8700K. Those 12 cores will eat the 9900K for breakfast in rendering.
 
ArbitraryAffection said:
1920X is the way to go IMO, here at least it is the same price as 8700K. Those 12 cores will eat the 9900K for breakfast in rendering.
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proof or didn't happen.
1950x can outperform 7900x,but once you compare 1920x and 9900k I am not so sure.4 cores less on the amd side,2 cores less on the intel side,plus 9900k clocks higher than 7900x.
I say 1950x+2060 if the focus is rendering,9900k plus 2070 if he wants more balance.Remember the cost of x399 vs z390 too.
 
1920X

8700K

9900K

The 1920X is £150 cheaper than the 9900K. I admit, the cost saving is eaten up by factoring in X399 Mobos and Quad-channel RAM for maximum performance.

1920X is consistently faster in Rendering.

Upgradability to 3rd gen TR, as you said, is also of merit. So is the increased platform I/O.

Edit: didn't see POV Ray, the 9900K is a bit faster in that one. IDK about factoring in OC though. Other points still stand.

cucker tarlson said:
I say 1950x+2060 if the focus is rendering,9900k plus 2070 if he wants more balance.Remember the cost of x399 vs z390 too.
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I agree with this. 1950X + 2060 combo would be the best bet :)
 
Looks like the Vray and corona rely on more cores:
https://benchmark.chaosgroup.com/cpu
https://corona-renderer.com/benchmark/results

Clicking through the Vray benchmark puts the Threadripper 1950X at 37 sec, 1920X at around 48 seconds, 9900K 59 Sec, 8700k 1 Min 9 Sec, . I am not sure how much the result is influenced by graphics card.

The same is true for Corona but the gap is less pronounced, threadripper 1920X 1 min 38 sec, 9900K 1 min 45 sec, 8700K 2 mins 47 sec. The 1950X result doesn't seem correct in their database.


Lumion relies on CPU frequency and high end graphics card.
https://www.boxx.com/solutions/architecture-engineering-and-construction/lumion said:
When viewing a Lumion-rendered model, it may come as a surprise to some that they aren't watching real-life video. The visuals are so realistic, textured and smoothly animated that it makes interacting with Lumion almost like playing a high-end PC game. Indeed, like those games, Lumion works best with a graphics card posting a PassMark score of 6000 or higher (e.g. NVIDIA GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 GeForce).
But graphics cards aren't the only hardware components AEC professionals need to optimize. They also need a Lumion workstation that's configured to support single-threaded workflows and high viewport frame rates that enable such realistic visuals. As opposed to multi-threaded tasks that benefit from more CPU cores, Lumion workflows benefit from increased CPU frequency.
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Because you use Lumion, I would probably recommend the 9900K + 2070 because it is a safe bet that it is close to the TR1920X on Vray and Corona and will likely perform much much better on Lumion.

The other thing is the OP wants to buy from a choice of two prebuilt machines. One would have to find a threadripper prebuilt for him, and for that we need more info on his budget and country/location.
 
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1920x and rtx 2060 I say.Best bang for the buck option in this scenario.Not worth paying for the 2070 IMO.Use that money for a quad channel ram kit.
 
9900k+2070
 
I agree with 9900K and 2070 that would be the best for you.
 
I'm just a little sad the op can go z390 only.Not cause 9900k is much slower,but rather about the platform.If he's rendering getting a x399 would last him a friggin lifetime.
 
cucker tarlson said:
I'm just a little sad the op can go z390 only.Not cause 9900k is much slower,but rather about the platform.If he's rendering getting a x399 would last him a friggin lifetime.
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Yeah, he could sell the 1920/1950X and drop a 2990WX or even something like a 3950X in there next year. That'd demolish those renders^^)~
 
ArbitraryAffection said:
Yeah, he could sell the 1920/1950X and drop a 2990WX or even something like a 3950X in there next year. That'd demolish those renders^^)~
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7nm TR's are what I had in mind.
 
ArbitraryAffection said:
On that note, maybe even AM4 with a 2700X would do for now? It's no slouch in rendering, and if those rumours of 16 core Am4's coming? Could be worth it no? Cheaper platform, too.
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it would.
 
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