Which web browser has the best font renderer?

[lexluthermiester]

Look how awful it looks:

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I think both of those look like hudd... I prefer pixel perfect text, but that's just me.

 

[Regeneration]

Ironically, "the worst browser", IE 11 produced the prettiest "pixel perfect text" text.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Ironically, "the worst browser", IE 11 produced the prettiest "pixel perfect text" text.

Interesting. Never used it long enough to notice..

 

[remixedcat]

This is using the built in font changer in the extension "Dark Reader" for Firefox. Font selected: Actor

 

[R-T-B]

I don't understand the point of this thread. While I might see some slight differences on my monitors, who's to say which is "better" or "best"? The text was properly displayed in each, and I was able to easily read each one. None were blurry. None displayed garbled text. Each displayed graphics fine. So IMO, for this particular parameter, it is 100% subjective.

So which is best? Well Pale Moon, of course!

It's subjective until it matters to you. So yeah, it might matter to some. That's the point I think.

It's similar to chroma-subsampling employed on TVs. Some people barely notice, others go bonkers.

ClearType tuner just seems to adjust brightness and boldness of the text. Looks best in its default values.

It also can tweak the subpixel layout setting.

I'm curious actually if your monitor may use a nonstandard subpixel layout (like BGR), and that is adding to your woes.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Had to find this and mention
I added my cheapo lg LG 43UK6300PUE 43" class t.v. hdmi and duplicated the display of a cheapo acer monitor 1600-900 dvi and compared firefox on win-10 and win-7 and dang win-7 ooks so much better evga 980ti newest driver on both.
Very strange

 

[Solaris17]

I don't notice a difference but the true end game is too not be able to read my monitor eventually anyway.

 

[remixedcat]

Win 10 really fucked up fonts and every single forced update makes them worse and also undoes the mod I have to use to change the typeface!!

The default fonts on windows look god awful on all my TV's..

I change to the font face Actor or Candara or Cambria. Those 3 are much better

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Win-10 system area fonts looked fine scaled so it was just firefox that looked terrible on 10
System and firefox look good on win-7 so something is going on with 10 scaling with firefox is all I can figure
Never tried edge or new chredge on 980ti on this older Q9550 build I just woke up.

 

[Anderlfs]

The aim is to find a different engine, since most browsers share Gecko (Firefox & forked browsers) or Blink engine (Chrome, Opera & forked ones). I have been using Qt Web Browser with great font renderings. It's based or Qt / Webkit. I use Chrome only for sites that require more modern security features.

 

[sil3ntearth]

...and you're blaming the browser?

My guy, your DPI is low and your scaling is turned up...can't make pixels from nothing.

and here I thought 1080p and 24" was the lowest PPI I'd ever bother with. 1366x768 looks bad even on 17" laptop screens.

 

[Atomic77]

Microsoft edge is the best

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

90% of browsers are just chromium now a days

 

[lexluthermiester]

Microsoft edge is the best

Said no one who cares about security ever...

 

[Aquinus]

Fonts on Chrome look shit to me even with 2D canvas or without it. So ugly, makes me want to register a fake account.

That's because your zooming in to the point where you can see each pixel. No crap it's not going to look good.

Screenshots saved as bloody JPEGs.

Since that doesn't impact image quality either. This whole discussion is kind of dumb.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Said no one who cares about security ever...

Say the biased MS bashers who don't do their homework, and who constantly jump in at the chance to take yet another opportunistic bash at anything with the MS brand on it.

This thread is about font rendering, not browser security but to that, the new Edge is definitely secure and keeps getting better - as anyone who cares about security knows and would bother to learn the facts to stay in the know.

How to use Microsoft Edge's latest security and privacy features - TechRepublic

The "truth" is, all of the major browsers offer excellent security as long as the browser and Windows are kept current, they use a decent anti-malware solution (which does NOT mean it must be a paid or even 3rd party solution) and they keep that current too. And they avoid being "click-happy" on unsolicited links.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Say the biased MS bashers who don't do their homework, and who constantly jump in at the chance to take yet another opportunistic bash at anything with the MS brand on it.

Microsoft has well earned the angst they get from people like myself. They have consistently and continuously demonstrated their disregard of the rights, privacy and security of end users. It is difficult to trust them on any level because of this.

This thread is about font rendering

Quite right, sorry for my off-topic comments...

 

[Bill_Bright]

Microsoft has well earned the angst they get from people like myself. They have consistently and continuously demonstrated their disregard of the rights, privacy and security of end users. It is difficult to trust them on any level because of this.

More of your biased BS and falsehoods. Privacy and security are not the same thing as anyone with real expertise in security would know.

It is fine not to trust them - hate them even. They have in the past done much to deserve that. No denying that.

But to constantly tell falsehoods about them is not fine. TODAY'S Edge and Windows are very secure. And MS has taken HUGE steps to not only respect our rights, but to protect them and our privacy too. And one way they did that is by taking out much of the privacy threats inherent in Chrome when they used Chromium to create the new Edge. And they have listened to user complaints about telemetry in W10 and so now it is easy to clamp down on that. There are much greater threats than MS to our privacy, including Google, Facebook, our ISPs and especially our cell phone carriers.

Let's not forget it was you who said the new Edge did not support extensions with you even pretending to pause for a few seconds, go look then come back and claim you were right. When we all could see that the new Edge supports almost the entire library of Chrome extensions and add-ons - as well as many from MS. Again, its about doing your homework.

So again - I don't care if you hate MS. Let your angst fester in you, if you wish. But stop telling falsehoods about their products when clearly you don't bother to verify your facts. Misleading readers here is NOT what TPU is about!

 

[lexluthermiester]

More of your biased BS and falsehoods.

Oh really?

Privacy and security are not the same thing as anyone with real expertise in security would know.

You just described one of my professions. And if you think Privacy and Security are not directly, very closely related, you need to reexamine your definitions. You can not have security without a guarantee of confidentiality(which is a synonym of privacy). Security=Confidentiality=Privacy. Anyone who tells you differently is selling something, likely of fecal variety.

It is fine not to trust them - hate them even. They have in the past done much to deserve that. No denying that.

Then quit making excuses for them.

But stop telling falsehoods about their products when clearly you don't bother to verify your facts.

You assume I haven't tested Edge and found it lacking... What was that about falsehoods?

 

[Bill_Bright]

Oh really?

You just described one of my professions. And if you think Privacy and Security are not directly, very closely related, you need to reexamine your definitions. You can not have security without a guarantee of confidentiality(which is a synonym of privacy). Security=Confidentiality=Privacy. Anyone who tells you differently is selling something, likely of fecal variety.

Yes, really! And there's more of your biased BS. First, I said privacy is not same thing as security. So where did you get that I think they are not closely related? I never said or even implied that. So of course, you made it up! In other words, another one of your falsehoods.

Microsoft is NOT trying to get our real name, street address, passwords, phone number, social security or insurance numbers, bank accounts, children's or contact's names, or billing information. They are not trying to infect our systems with malware. Those are security concerns and in fact, Microsoft is working hard and is very adept at protecting our most sensitive personal information so it is not compromised and exploited. That is not the same as tracking which sites we visit or which products on Amazon we look it. And even then they cannot link your real name to that item on Amazon.

If you don't understand the difference then you need to learn the difference between privacy and security. It is not the same thing as a Peeping Tom leering at your daughter through her bedroom window. That definitely is a privacy AND a security concern.

You just described one of my professions

lol Yeah right.

Then quit making excuses for them.

More of your falsehoods. I am not making excuses, I am defending those products from your falsehoods that stem from your hatred and biases against the company. If anyone bothers to look at many of my other posts, they can easily see where I often offer harsh criticisms against Microsoft, the company, and their marketing "weenies" and many of their misguided, ill-conceived executive decisions. The developers at Microsoft are NOT the same as the marketing weenies or the execs there.

You assume I haven't tested Edge and found it lacking...

If it is like your history of other false claims, like you checking to see if Edge supports extensions (it does - extensively), then I can safely assume your tests (and I won't even assume you really tested it) are as biased as you are.

I, like many on this site who you condescendingly have decided don't "care about security ever" have used the new Edge since it came out. And guess what? Our systems still are not infected. So again, you once again, just assume you are right without doing any homework to verify your facts, but once again are wrong.

And I say, how dare you pretend to speak for all those who really do care about security.

Is the new Edge the most secure browser out there? Nope. Never said it was. But it doesn't need to be either.

Does the new Edge provide the best privacy protection out there? Nope. Never said it did. But it doesn't need to either.

But does it still provide great security and privacy protection? Absolutely! As long as we keep it, Windows and our anti-malware solution updated, and we are not "click-happy" on unsolicited links - THE SAME THINGS we must do regardless our browser of choice.

I mean come on people! Microsoft knows there are all sorts of lexluthermiesters out there - MS haters and those in the IT press trying to get attention - ready to pounce and spread fake news about Microsoft and their products. Does it make sense, after all these yeas of false or greatly exaggerated claims against them, that they would be the evil monster haters like lexluthermiester wants you to believe it is? No.

Microsoft certainly has done plenty to earn our and even lexluthermiester's angst. So criticize that! Don't be like Lex and simply make up stuff. All that does is make them look like people who make up stuff in some attempt to make them look good and important. Its sad, really.

Now until Lex can show that people who care about security don't use Edge - "ever", or that if you use Edge you will become infected, I say, give him all the attention he deserves. That is, none. And let's move on to the OP's issue.

 

[Athlonite]

@Bill_Bright & @lexluthermiester if you two wish to argue take it to PM's and stop muddying up this thread with off topic crap

 

[Regeneration]

Screenshots saved as bloody JPEGs.

Also, there are just three rendering font engines at least for PCs: Google Chrome's, Mozilla's and Windows 10 API rendering. It's not about browsers but what the underlying rendering engine they use.

/Thread (meaning it's near 100% useless).

Most of the screenshots are PNG, and rest are high quality JPEG (97 and above) without dithering that is near PNG in both quality and filesize.

 

[lexluthermiester]

@Bill_Bright & @lexluthermiester if you two wish to argue take it to PM's and stop muddying up this thread with off topic crap

Right, sorry.