Who will take a move from AMD to Intel and who else is doing an upgrade to Raptor Lake

[Hyderz]

staying put with my current rig that ive built in 2019 cost me 4.5grand already and im going to keep it until 2025..
then ill see what is available and decide the prices in 2025 whether its worth upgrading or not... i might extend until 2026 or 7
before i pull a big upgrade

 

[nguyen]

The 9900k was a great cpu I'm sure the 13700k will be as well. I'm sure when the X3D 7000 cpus drop amd fanboys will try to crap talk your cpu choice... Ignore them.

RPL still have lots of untapped potential that haven't been explored yet like 7600MT DDR5 support, I'm sure it will make a sizeable difference. Overclockers have already tried 7600MT DDR5 on 12900K and they say it improve 1%low FPS by 30%.

 

[Cowboystrekk]

Waiting for 7000X3D should be an option on the list

 

[wolf]

Not planning an upgrade but I'd very much consider intel if I was, would be silly not to at least consider them.

I also lol'd at HUB's coverage, it's easily hands down the best gaming CPU you can buy, but the thumbnail is that the room is on fire lol. Looks like gaming power consumption is like 90-130w.

Yes it can get hot and hungry playing cinebench all day long, I don't deny that, but are they the current fastest gaming CPU's money can buy? also yes. Interesting the differences in the thumbnails and coverage in general.

 

[AsRock]

Sticking with what I have for now, waiting on Meteor Lake

Shame they don't do Hallas Basin.

Anyways like to upgrade the other PC but has to wait and will be done with what ever is best at the time

 

[OkieDan]

Looks like gaming power consumption is like 90-130w

It was up to 180W in CP 2077 in HUB's review.

 

[docnorth]

My main PC is a i7-6700 system, my vote is I have Intel and will build a new RL system, but I also use a ryzen 3700x system as a mini workstation at the office (which now works solid after numerous and persistant initial problems) and ryzen 7700x is still an option. The lack of DDR4 choice on AMD side isn't a problem, I'm planning to use DDR5 anyway.

 

[AusWolf]

Grabbing the 13700K as we speak , I ain't gonna wait 30s on every boot with AM5.

You don't have to wait on every boot - just on the first one as the motherboard learns and trains the RAM.

The 9900k was a great cpu I'm sure the 13700k will be as well. I'm sure when the X3D 7000 cpus drop amd fanboys will try to crap talk your cpu choice... Ignore them.

That is true, but I have another reason: I don't want to upgrade to Win 11 just to make proper use of the P/E core configuration. A CPU has to be extremely compelling to convince me otherwise. Like if Raptor Lake came in a P-core only variant like the 12400 and 12500... that would be something! (I don't look down on E-cores - I just really don't want Win 11 on my PC)

 

[nguyen]

You don't have to wait on every boot - just on the first one as the motherboard learns and trains the RAM.

Pretty sure W1zzard said the first boot takes like 5 minutes and every boot after system shutdown takes 30s

Updated 7950X review

Update Sep 29: I just tested boot times using the newest ASUS 0703 Beta BIOS, which comes with AGESA ComboAM5PI 1.0.0.3 Patch A. No noticeable improvement in memory training times. It takes 38 seconds from pressing the power button (after a clean Windows shutdown), until there ASUS BIOS POST screen shots. After that, the usual BIOS POST stuff happens and Windows still start, which takes another 20 seconds or so.

 

[Dirt Chip]

I do mainly adobe suite workloads so 13900k is the only real option, alas the Wattage and heat.
Still dont know if it will br dd4 or dd5 but z690 is set.

 

[AusWolf]

Pretty sure W1zzard said the first boot takes like 5 minutes and every boot after system shutdown takes 30s

That would have gained A LOT of attention from media like Gamer's Nexus.

 

[nguyen]

That would have gained A LOT of attention from media like Gamer's Nexus.

Every media outlets are saying the same thing, you just didn't notice

 

[AusWolf]

Updated 7950X review

Yep - the memory training time. That only happens on the first boot.

 

[OkieDan]

You don't have to wait on every boot - just on the first one as the motherboard learns and trains the RAM.

My AM5 system takes 45 seconds to complete POST when I have XMP enabled, around 15 seconds if I don't.

 

[AusWolf]

Every media outlets are saying the same thing, you just didn't notice

When? The reviews don't mention it, and I don't see anything else here.

My AM5 system takes 45 seconds to complete POST when I have XMP enabled, around 15 seconds if I don't.

Is that EVERY boot or just the first one after you enable XMP?

 

[nguyen]

Yep - the memory training time. That only happens on the first boot.

Read again, very slowly

To clarify: after a clean system shutdown, without loss of power, when you press the power button you're still looking at a black screen for 30 seconds, before the BIOS logo appears. I find that an incredibly long time, especially when you're not watching the POST code display that tells you something is happening. AMD and the motherboard manufacturers say they are working on improving this—they must. I'm having doubts that your parents would accept such an experience as an "upgrade," considering their previous computer showed something on-screen within seconds after pressing the power button.

From Guru3d:
"The first time you startup the PC the BIOS will do memory training; this can take a few minutes. Once you move the BIOS to EXPO mode (the optimal SPD timings) and restart, it'll train again. Once trained you're looking at POST times of less than 30 seconds, which is still too much IMHO. Stability-wise we had no issues, but of course, since AMD provided these kits, they've been extensively tested for compatibility. This isn't any criticism by the way; for both Intel and AMD, with the start of a new architecture, it's racing against the clock to get memory kits compatible at a firmware level."

 

[Gmr_Chick]

My vote went to "Not planning on upgrade and stick with AMD for now". Just went from a 3600 to a 5600 a few weeks ago and content with its performance compared to the 3600. ASRock, though I love their B550 Velocita, has abysmal BIOS and so I'd like to grab an X570 board from Asus in the future. More pressing, however, is my GPU upgrade, as I feel like my 1660 Super has served me well enough but it's time for an upgrade.

 

[OkieDan]

Is that EVERY boot or just the first one after you enable XMP?

Every boot.

 

[R0H1T]

You can use EXPO instead?

 

[AusWolf]

Read again, very slowly


From Guru3d:
"The first time you startup the PC the BIOS will do memory training; this can take a few minutes. Once you move the BIOS to EXPO mode (the optimal SPD timings) and restart, it'll train again. Once trained you're looking at POST times of less than 30 seconds, which is still too much IMHO. Stability-wise we had no issues, but of course, since AMD provided these kits, they've been extensively tested for compatibility. This isn't any criticism by the way; for both Intel and AMD, with the start of a new architecture, it's racing against the clock to get memory kits compatible at a firmware level."

Every boot.

Oh jesus... no wonder AM5 isn't selling.

 

[OkieDan]

Oh jesus... no wonder AM5 isn't selling.

I think it's more of the upgrade cost TBH... It's honestly not a huge deal to me as I just let the computer go to sleep or put it into sleep mode manually when I'm done with it. I'm waiting on the issue to be fixed before I start tinkering with RAM timings though.

You can use EXPO instead?

No, it's XMP only, kit is in my specs.

 

[R0H1T]

I'd go mad at anything over 20-30 seconds these days, kinda funny given we had at least 2-20x longer boot times on HDD's in the past

 

[OkieDan]

I'd ago mad at anything over 20-30 seconds these days, kinda funny given we had at least 2-20 longer boot times on HDD's in the past

Kinda ninja-edited my last post so you may have missed it... It would be maddening if I were trying to set RAM timings so I'm waiting on that to get fixed before I do. I always use sleep mode instead of shutting down and have for years so it's pretty much instant-on. In the past I used to keep my computers always on 24/7 in case I wanted to access from work but now I work from home.

 

[AusWolf]

I'd go mad at anything over 20-30 seconds these days, kinda funny given we had at least 2-20x longer boot times on HDD's in the past

I'm a slow and patient man, but half a minute for every boot... I don't know...

 

[R0H1T]

I do the same on an x570 system these days after upgrading to an 80+ Gold PSU, just put the system to (hybrid) sleep or hibernate & rarely do full shutdown or restart unless I absolutely need to.