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Will you wait for NVIDIA's next-generation Kepler GPU?

Will you wait for NVIDIA's next-generation Kepler GPU?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,512 38.5%
  • No

    Votes: 1,494 22.9%
  • My GPU is strong enough to let me skip this new generation

    Votes: 2,512 38.5%

  • Total voters
    6,518
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#76
Im curious... why have a poll in the thread when it only redirects you to the front page in the first place? Bleh.
 
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#77
I think that's because the Main Page poll will redirect your here to discuss
 
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#78
I think the better question is: am I dumb?
 

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#79
I think the better question is: am I dumb?
Probably not - as you are clever enough to be a member of one of the most badass sites on the interwebs called TPU
 
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#81
It isn't entirely true, on consoles programmers have direct hardware access for coding and thus optimizing software for a specific hardware set, it's not like thousands of configurations for PCs that make hard to optimize performance.
Look at what the Xbox 360 does with a beefed up R500 with todays games.
Now I do agree that consoles do not have mouse n keyboard so I could care less about playing on them but be sure that the game development will ramp up things with the new Xbox.
The difference is that R500 was a high-end GPU when it was included in the XB360. If the rumors are true the Xbox Next will have a 3+ year old mid-range GPU by the time it launches. That's quite a difference and we'll have to suffer the stagnation at that crappy level for another 10 years, yay!! Improvement? NO. I mean for 1 year after release we'll be better than right now, but in 2 years and for the next 8 years we will be much much worse.

Direct hardware access providing massive improvements is a falacy anyway. Consoles do "well" because they play the games at 1/4 the resolution that PC gamers use, with no AA or AF in most titles and 10 bit HDR (instead of 24/32 bit) and the list goes on and on and on. Direct HW access helps something but does not make it 4x faster, not even 2x. Take a 8800 GT/HD4800, use 720p 0/2 xAA, 2x AF, enable every conceivable optimization in the CP (AF, trilinear, LOD bias, etc, etc) and you'll end up with very similar performance and looks as the consoles.
 
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#82
I didn't say it's going to make it like high end hardware, I said it's gonna help, why do you have to read something I didn't write in the first moment? Please read better before arguing.
It's blatantly obvious that you can't turn a 6670 into a 6970 with hardware optimization.
 
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#83
I didn't say it's going to make it like high end hardware, I said it's gonna help, why do you have to read something I didn't write in the first moment? Please read better before arguing.
It's blatantly obvious that you can't turn a 6670 into a 6970 with hardware optimization.
I read what you said perfectly, and I read your next posts too. I'm not arguing with what you said about HW optimizations, I'm arguing against your claim that HD6670 is somehow better than current consoles are. It will, maybe for one year and after that we will be much much worse. And really HD6670 is not even so much faster than what current consoles have. It's maybe 2x better only and that advantage will be gone if the new console does real 1080p in most games.

In fact I'm starting to believe that HD6670 is complte BS, or were there not rumors about M$ doing 2 consoles, one similar to the Wii and one for enthusiasts? HD6670 for a WiiBox480 or whatever does makes sense.

And from another perspective, I may also conceed that maybe, only maybe, HD6670 level of graphics on consoles could be a good idea and good for us, IF developers decide to screw the consoles and focus on PCs (at least for graphics), didn't EA said something like that and so did Carmack. Now I'm dreaming... :laugh:
 

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#84
I didn't say it's going to make it like high end hardware, I said it's gonna help, why do you have to read something I didn't write in the first moment? Please read better before arguing.
It's blatantly obvious that you can't turn a 6670 into a 6970 with hardware optimization.
Look bro - you can optimise the fuck out of anything and everything but theres a point where you can push as hard as you want and the hardware wont budge - and thats the limit im talking about - its great for consoles but it wont be great for PCs because devs make games for consoles first before porting them to the PC.

I dont need to READ your post again. you just need to understand mine a bit more (no offense I know english isnt your first language and all)
 
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#85
I didn't wait.....just bought a 570! WHOOT
 

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#86
I didn't wait.....just bought a 570! WHOOT
the 570 is still an awesome card - stand proud bro - I even considered downgrading to 570s in SLi too at one point but I got annoyed with BF3 so i didnt bother
 
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the 570 is still an awesome card - stand proud bro - I even considered downgrading to 570s in SLi too at one point but I got annoyed with BF3 so i didnt bother
You mean upgrade. 570's do better in BF3.
 
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#89
Look bro - you can optimise the fuck out of anything and everything but theres a point where you can push as hard as you want and the hardware wont budge - and thats the limit im talking about - its great for consoles but it wont be great for PCs because devs make games for consoles first before porting them to the PC.

I dont need to READ your post again. you just need to understand mine a bit more (no offense I know english isnt your first language and all)
I read what you said perfectly, and I read your next posts too. I'm not arguing with what you said about HW optimizations, I'm arguing against your claim that HD6670 is somehow better than current consoles are. It will, maybe for one year and after that we will be much much worse. And really HD6670 is not even so much faster than what current consoles have. It's maybe 2x better only and that advantage will be gone if the new console does real 1080p in most games.

In fact I'm starting to believe that HD6670 is complte BS, or were there not rumors about M$ doing 2 consoles, one similar to the Wii and one for enthusiasts? HD6670 for a WiiBox480 or whatever does makes sense.

And from another perspective, I may also conceed that maybe, only maybe, HD6670 level of graphics on consoles could be a good idea and good for us, IF developers decide to screw the consoles and focus on PCs (at least for graphics), didn't EA said something like that and so did Carmack. Now I'm dreaming... :laugh:

I understand what are your feeling about this guys, and share them with you, because I'm a PC gamer too.

The 6670 is a step forward of what current consoles have, that's what I meant to say but OF COURSE it isn't the leap forward we expected them to make, because let's say it, who doesn't want (especially amongst PC gamers) to completely piss on DX9 and jump with a jetpack on DX11?
It should have already happened by a long time, we are stuck at the level of consoles and that's not going to change, the reason being money.
 

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#90
You mean upgrade. 570's do better in BF3.
yeah

570s totally arse rape in BF3 compared to the 6970s with the issue they have when AA is turned on. I would have like it anyway as i dont really game at a huge rez (1920x1080)
 
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Yeah, and in the table it lists the shader clocks, and ive read somewhere that there will be no more dedicated clocks for it (or will be hidden)
 

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I didn't wait.....just bought a 570! WHOOT
I love my 580. Not going anywhere for a while. Maybe grab a second down the line used or something. I don't miss the AMD drivers at all.

I'll consider AMD again when they get their driver team up to snuff.
 
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My 2 5870's still do the trick....but those 7900 cards look nice. I go back and forth on the upgrade decision...In all reality, I needs me a good job before new cards.
 
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I love my 580. Not going anywhere for a while. Maybe grab a second down the line used or something. I don't miss the AMD drivers at all.

I'll consider AMD again when they get their driver team up to snuff.
Everything is fine until you start using CFX, then the problem begins :|
 
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Ordered a 7950 last night. The OCing will begin, soon. Muhahahhahah

No clue when high perf kepler will be out and it may not be until summer. Nvidia hasn't been behaving very favorable, to me, so they're kinda out anyway.

Last GTX was a no go b/c of the power consumption (at 1st) and not that great of perf if you ask me (until the 580), but then the 580 was retarded expensive. I bought my 1st 6950 for 275 bucks and unlocked it.

I've used a riva TNT2, had a Geforce 3 Ultra (maybe my fav card ever besides the Ti4600), used the Ti4600 extensively, skipped to a 6800GT, then 7900GT, SLI 8800GTs (very impressive cards), xfire 4890s (excellent, too), xfire 6970s (yes, definitely some xfire issues), and now a 7950.

S3 had some nice tech way back in the day, but it was wasted on terrible drivers. It was hard to play games without random crashing and freezing.
 
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Everything is fine until you start using CFX, then the problem begins :|
Considering my last card by them was a 4870X2, I was screwed from the get go. lol.
 
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Considering my last card by them was a 4870X2, I was screwed from the get go. lol.
*shrugs* I had zero issues with xfire on my 4890s unless it was a game problem (meaning it also was crap on SLI and had perf issues all around).
 

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The article from semi accurate is quite insightful eventhough I find Charlie's way of writing can be lengthily annoying.

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/02/01/physics-hardware-makes-keplergk104-fast/

The article says Kepler is like ATI. small die size, high Mhz, lots of stream processors (sp) and no more hot clock (no more 2x clock speed for the sp). So Nvidia is doing an AMD!
Also, why add more phyx specialised hardware?