Windows 10 Vs 11, Which one to choose?

[theouto]

I'd argue that both windows 11 and windows 10 are largely the same. Sure, 11 does add some annoyances (while maybe removing other annoyances), but if you're tired of windows 11 then 10 is not the answer, because 11 is more of the same, as it has been since it released, the "11" is just a number, it's almost just a UI overhaul for windows 10.

 

[gwync]

I used windows 11 for a few days on an N100 based system, and i gave it every chance to be reasonable but it just doesnt run well in comparison to 10, so i stuck with 10.
I use it daily at work however.
I REALLY dont like the intrusive nature of modern windows, 10 is pretty bad with it too but i think 11 was worse with the amount of little popups and notifications and such on everything.
I dont like the start menu design, 8/8.1 and 10 strayed pretty far away from what i like, classicshell fixed that for me. But it doesnt like to install normally on 11 and doesnt work with the normal design of the 11 UI anyway.
I do think the settings menus are objectively better than the ones designed for metro, definitely better than windows 10, a huge step up from 8/8.1's design for those settings. For the most part they stay UI consistent too, you can get pretty deep before you end up in a windows 9x style menu somewhere.

But thats probably gonna be the last of windows for me, i dont see me continuing with it now that the few bits of software i need on a modern system run well on ARM, got me looking at alternatives...

 

[Athlonite]

I used windows 11 for a few days on an N100 based system

And how did you think it was going to perform on an under powered 4C4T cpu with only 16GB's of slow DDR5 in single channel mode you may aswell have tried to get a racehorse with 4 broken legs to run a 2 mile steeplechase uphill

 

[gwync]

And how did you think it was going to perform on an under powered 4C4T cpu with only 16GB's of slow DDR5 in single channel mode you may aswell have tried to get a racehorse with 4 broken legs to run a 2 mile steeplechase uphill

I gave it the most fair possible circumstances to really show what the CPU was capable of:

Spoiler: the n100 system

And it performed objectively worse than windows 10 in every way. I expect any modern usable hardware to be able to run the modern windows OS well enough that you dont notice it being slow.
Running windows 10 on the same hardware and suddenly it performs like a perfectly normal computer and even played videogames well enough. 11 was the issue, and i dont think its acceptable for the OS to be so demanding that it drains performance of the entire system.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I gave it the most fair possible circumstances to really show what the CPU was capable of:

Spoiler: the n100 system

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And it performed objectively worse than windows 10 in every way. I expect any modern usable hardware to be able to run the modern windows OS well enough that you dont notice it being slow.
Running windows 10 on the same hardware and suddenly it performs like a perfectly normal computer and even played videogames well enough. 11 was the issue, and i dont think its acceptable for the OS to be so demanding that it drains performance of the entire system.

That is some next-level nonsense! Not worth taking seriously, IF indeed you were being serious and not a total smartass.

 

[Frick]

Then you seemingly haven't talked to many people.. Most people I talk to like the 11 UI better. Many agree that it's a step in the right direction.

Nah, probably just different circles.

Sure, 11 does add some annoyances (while maybe removing other annoyances)

This is a very good summary. For me on the desktop it would be essentially unusable but on the laptop is fine, but that is down to preference.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Nah, probably just different circles.

I actively serve the general public and professional clients. You were saying?

 

[Frick]

I actively serve the general public and professional clients. You were saying?

I actively hang on tech forums.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I gave it the most fair possible circumstances to really show what the CPU was capable of:

Spoiler: the n100 system

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And it performed objectively worse than windows 10 in every way. I expect any modern usable hardware to be able to run the modern windows OS well enough that you dont notice it being slow.
Running windows 10 on the same hardware and suddenly it performs like a perfectly normal computer and even played videogames well enough. 11 was the issue, and i dont think its acceptable for the OS to be so demanding that it drains performance of the entire system.

Haha, the nerd in me can't help but admire how adorably dorky this build is. Chock full of high performance and high quality components for that silly stupid motherboard, I've always enjoyed making these and testing the absolute limits of weird and/or old gear. I love the frame, which one is it?

That is some next-level nonsense! Not worth taking seriously, IF indeed you were being serious and not a total smartass.

I mean, he kind of has a point, if going by out of the box experience... Win11 enables some pretty heavy things like VBS by default, and that has gotta weigh on low end hardware a lot. Once it's properly configured and some of the fat trimmed (I don't mean gut the OS and leave it barebones though, just scaling down a bit on a few things and adjusting a few automatic settings and services while leaving a fully functional experience), both should perform indistinguishably to one another. In theory, anyway. In practice... I can't deny that Windows 10 has generally felt snappier on my personal experience overall.

My biggest problem with 11 is ultimately the poor workflow, I just can't get used to it without resorting to Start11, restoring the classic context menus, etc., it's 2025 and Microsoft is still desperately attempting to find a compromise for touchscreen/tablet type devices instead of focusing on a desktop, keyboard and mouse environment, even after each and every venture of theirs into this market has failed.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I actively hang on tech forums.

That is ever not the same. Seriously..

I mean, he kind of has a point, if going by out of the box experience..

While that is a somewhat fair point, most people these days are not leaving 11 in it's default state.

 

[Frick]

That is ever not the same. Seriously..

Hence "different circles".

 

[lexluthermiester]

Microsoft is still desperately attempting to find a compromise for touchscreen/tablet type devices instead of focusing on a desktop, keyboard and mouse environment, even after each and every venture of theirs into this market has failed.

Agreed. You think they would have learned by now..

Hence "different circles".

Yes and this is why the folks you've talked to are greatly more limited in scope than the wide array of folks I've talked with person to person concerning the subject. Now, are we done with this tit-for-tat?

 

[gwync]

I love the frame, which one is it?

Its actually just one of those cheap open air chassis from ebay, its alright, i wouldnt recommend it if it were 100$, but for 50 bucks you can do far worse, it made for a good test bench.
I was doing a LOT of gpu testing at the time so i had 3 of these, one with a jetway gtdual (sockets 754 and 939 on the same board), one with a 11400f and one with the n100, all for different purposes and different eras of gpu

by out of the box experience... Win11 enables some pretty heavy things like VBS by default, and that has gotta weigh on low end hardware a lot

That was really one of the major problems with it was just ootb theres too much going on for that n100 to handle. But if the n100 cant handle it, neither can a 4790k, because the stupid alder lake cluster of e cores is surprisingly similar in performance to quadcore hell era intel chips, and has the advantage of faster ram. Im sure you could make it viable by configuring the install and removing or disabling a lot of the bloat but that problem was also solved by installing windows 10.

My biggest problem with 11 is ultimately the poor workflow,

and this is why i dont personally like it, im not that old but i grew up with windows 98se and xp, i used XP straight until like 2017, the best feature change to me was being able to press the start key and type an application and press enter
ie Win > "calc" > Enter and the calculator opens, 6 keystrokes happening faster than i can move a mouse
but beyond that it just keeps moving further away from what i know and prefer, i HATE this:

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No i do not want to save the file to onedrive by default, why is the option to put it in a folder behind the tiny text option "more options..."
Because all it brings up in "choose a location" is onedrive
im used to pressing ctrl + s, typing a name because the first field it selects is the file name, and pressing enter because it defaults to saving to "my documents", im really not liking having to use my mouse to save a file

That is some next-level nonsense! Not worth taking seriously, IF indeed you were being serious and not a total smartass.

It was 100% serious just to annoy those people who are super adamant about their i5 2500k lasting til the end of time. When the N100 outperforms the 2500k, and the 2600k, by a reasonable margin, at 11 watts under load.
The GPU is basically a necessity though, that config with a 3070ti was playing CSGO in 4k at max settings for a not perfect but ok 45-50fps with no stuttering. If you reduced settings you got... 45-50fps with no stuttering. If you reduced the resolution, you got a buttery smooth 45-50fps with no stuttering. And if you cranked it all the way down to 1024x768 at minimum settings, you got an eye watering 45-50fps with no stuttering.
And if you tried to play a game with bots it would cut that to 45-50fps with some flavorful stuttering.

 

[lexluthermiester]

No i do not want to save the file to onedrive by default, why is the option to put it in a folder behind the tiny text option "more options..."

The solution is simple and there are multiple choices:
A. Configure OneDrive to run the way you want it to run.
B. Disable OneDrive running in the background.
C. Uninstall OneDrive.

Of course, these issues apply to 10 as well so this is not a problem specific to 11.

It was 100% serious just to annoy those people who are super adamant about their i5 2500k lasting til the end of time.

I'm running a laptop with an i3-2310 dual core and Windows 11 runs on it perfectly well and with ZERO discernible difference between it and 10. Windows 7 runs better on it but then it naturally would. So instead of annoying anyone, you just made an example of how context is so easily missed.

When the N100 outperforms the 2500k, and the 2600k, by a reasonable margin, at 11 watts under load.
The GPU is basically a necessity though, that config with a 3070ti was playing CSGO in 4k at max settings for a not perfect but ok 45-50fps with no stuttering. If you reduced settings you got... 45-50fps with no stuttering. If you reduced the resolution, you got a buttery smooth 45-50fps with no stuttering. And if you cranked it all the way down to 1024x768 at minimum settings, you got an eye watering 45-50fps with no stuttering.
And if you tried to play a game with bots it would cut that to 45-50fps with some flavorful stuttering.

No one is going to run 11 on such old hardware and expect a great gaming experience with modern games. As such, the premise and logic of your display exercise is flawed. Pull the other one..

 

[gwync]

I'm running a laptop with an i3-2310 dual core and Windows 11 runs on it perfectly well and with ZERO discernible difference between it and 10. Windows 7 run better on it but then it naturally would.

I dont think thats windows 11 performing the same as 10 so much as it is both 10 and 11 running poorly on that cpu.
My ancient Pentium G3260 doesnt like windows 10 or anything to do with modern videogames not because its old, but because its a dual core with almost no cache.
An era equivalent i5 4570 is the same thing but with more cache and 2 more cores and that runs 10 perfectly fine, same as 7 or 8.1 from my experiences.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I dont think thats windows 11 performing the same as 10 so much as it is both 10 and 11 running poorly on that cpu.

Not so poorly. Both 10 AND 11 run fine on said laptop and identically.

My ancient Pentium G3260 doesnt like windows 10 or anything to do with modern videogames not because its old, but because its a dual core with almost no cache.

OR, and try to keep up here, you're expecting more from it than is reasonable. Regardless, that old Pentium will run 10 and 11 IDENTICALLY. Seriously, how much understanding can you possibly miss here?

An era equivalent i5 4570 is the same thing but with more cache and 2 more cores and that runs 10 perfectly fine, same as 7 or 8.1 from my experiences.

This is just blah blah blah.

Are you done?

 

[Frick]

Yes and this is why the folks you've talked to are greatly more limited in scope than the wide array of folks I've talked with person to person concerning the subject. Now, are we done with this tit-for-tat?

Never!

As for the Pentium G3260 vs i3-2310 ... the latter one has HT, and my guess is that is the big difference. I've run Win10 on dual cores without HT and it was struggling a bit, but that was also on lower clocks, IIRC.

 

[gwync]

Not so poorly. Both 10 AND 11 run fine on said laptop and identically.

OR, and try to keep up here, you're expecting more from it than is reasonable. Regardless, that old Pentium will run 10 and 11 IDENTICALLY. Seriously, how much understanding can you possibly miss here?

This is just blah blah blah.

Are you done?

see this is why i stopped using forums

 

[Hecate91]

I have doubts of a 2nd gen i3 running W11 "fine". I've put W11 on newer systems, still unsupported by MS, and W11 runs noticeably slower on them than W10 does. The discussion was with a stock installation, not debloated and tweaked to performs how W10 does, IMO it's disingenuous to claim W11 is the same to the point of attacking others for the experience they have. The reality is most people will be dealing with a normal install on a lower end desktop or laptop.

 

[RandallFlagg]

MS really messed up when they tried to make Windows a "Tablet OS" cause you know, that was the future.

The fact that they never undid that blunder is a reflection of how near of a monopoly they have on the market.

 

[freeagent]

I couldn't be bothered to tweak windows anymore. I am just running mine the way it came, local account and all

 

[lexluthermiester]

As for the Pentium G3260 vs i3-2310 ... the latter one has HT, and my guess is that is the big difference.

Not really. I turn it off for security reasons(side channel attack stuff). So NOPE!

I've run Win10 on dual cores without HT and it was struggling a bit, but that was also on lower clocks, IIRC.

I always run in a slimmed down configuration regardless of the Windows version. That fact is FAR more likely to be the difference between my experience and yours. Lean and Clean is how I roll without exception.

see this is why i stopped using forums

Why, because you post nonsense and expect everyone to just take it and smile? Welcome to the real world!

I have doubts of a 2nd gen i3 running W11 "fine".

So you're calling me a liar? When YOU test it on the same hardware and come to a different conclusion, we can compare notes and figure out what you're doing wrong. Until then, bite me.

I've put W11 on newer systems, still unsupported by MS, and W11 runs noticeably slower on them than W10 does.

Then you're doing something wrong.

I couldn't be bothered to tweak windows anymore. I am just running mine the way it came, local account and all

Ouch! Why? It's really very easy these days.

 

[freeagent]

Why?

This system is already insanely fast

 

[lexluthermiester]

This system is already insanely fast

Ok, but that's no reason not to cut out the crap(from the Windows install).. Just saying..

 

[freeagent]

Ok, but that's no reason not to cut out the crap.. Just saying..

I even use a local account tied to my email, and I bought stuff from the store