Windows 10 Vs 11, Which one to choose?

[lexluthermiester]

I even use a local account tied to my email, and I bought stuff from the store

Well yeah. I meant to say debloating and configing it to be a LOT less annoying and intrusive. I do the same with Windows 7 and 10.

 

[freeagent]

I meant to say debloating and configing it to be a LOT less annoying and intrusive.

Maybe it is a regional thing, I literally find nothing annoying or intrusive, this is just like running anything else. Lets me know I have an email, lets me know scan is done no viruses, those are the notifications that I get..

 

[MrBanana]

Maybe it is a regional thing, I literally find nothing annoying or intrusive, this is just like running anything else. Lets me know I have an email, lets me know scan is done no viruses, those are the notifications that I get..

Yeah same I never found something annoying. I just uninstall like 3 apps that I won't use, set the feedback frequency to never, use a local account and that's it.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Maybe it is a regional thing, I literally find nothing annoying or intrusive, this is just like running anything else. Lets me know I have an email, lets me know scan is done no viruses, those are the notifications that I get..

Fair enough. I sometimes forget how persnickety about security and privacy I am compared to others.

 

[R-T-B]

Fair enough. I sometimes forget how persnickety about security and privacy I am compared to others.

This is something I forget a lot too. I have at times removed things coworkers actually want, just assuming no one would ever want that app, lol.

I actually ran into a human that wanted the new snipping tool for example. I was confused.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I actually ran into a human that wanted the new snipping tool for example. I was confused.

Right?

I'm running a laptop with an i3-2310 dual core and Windows 11 runs on it perfectly well

On this note, I'd like to add the following.

Now I can't prove how snappy and smooth it is, but this at least shows it's doable. However, the 16GB of RAM, the good quality SSD AND the debloating/custom configuring I do with Win11 go a long way to helping things along. IF I had to daily drive on this system, I'd be happy with it. Not ecstatic mind you, but happy enough.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Running any sort of modern virus scan / security software, Office 365 (Teams), and so on with those old laptops is absolutely horrible though.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Running any sort of modern virus scan / security software, Office 365 (Teams), and so on with those old laptops is absolutely horrible though.

I never allow realtime scanners to be running anyway, so that's not a problem. I'm not an irresponsible nitwit who visits places that fall under the "I-should-not-be-here.com" type. Besides, Windows 11 is not that system's daily driver OS. It was installed and tested for giggles. It's not the fastest thing ever, and that was never the claim, only that it is a smooth and snappy experience from a UI perspective. Heavy tasks do take a bit if time to complete, but are not horrible. The overall experience is acceptable within reasonable expectations.

 

[Octopuss]

I actually ran into a human that wanted the new snipping tool for example. I was confused.

Are you talking about the "Snip and sketch"?
I do actually use it, lol. I am not sure why though. I think I read the old program was being discontinued years ago, and if that meant it was to be entirely removed in some future version/build, I figured I might as well get used to the replacement right there and then.
I don't even remember what the original program looked like, this mostly works just fine.

 

[R-T-B]

Are you talking about the "Snip and sketch"?
I do actually use it, lol. I am not sure why though. I think I read the old program was being discontinued years ago, and if that meant it was to be entirely removed in some future version/build, I figured I might as well get used to the replacement right there and then.
I don't even remember what the original program looked like, this mostly works just fine.

Yeah I just prefer the old one but everyone has their own pet peeves.

 

[ARF]

i Know it's an Old topic and a lot of thing on windows 11 get there hands on windows 10 too, and the windows 11 is less buggy since the launch,

i have i5 13400 and as you know it's P/E Core intel CPU and in terms of this windows 11 thread scheduler they work better than windows 10, but is it really noticeable?

i watched a lot of Youtube Vid but i want to know the real answer.

10 ofc.
11 is bloatware garbage
in 11 scheduler work worse than 10, check tech yes city. he busts this sheduler garbage myths

Windows 10 is the better OS. Because it is really slow and troublesome to work with Windows 11. You need more clicks to get where you want, there are features which Windows 11 lacks, its interface is not good, either.

For example, if you want to see this menu, right-click:
In Windows 10 - one mouse click, in Windows 11 it is hidden behind two mouse clicks, if you know about it:

 

[Athlonite]

there are features which Windows 11 lacks, its interface is not good

And what features are those ARF I've yet to find any that are missing

 

[InVasMani]

Been running Windows 11 for awhile really don't see a problem with it in general. It's not perfect, but doesn't feel any worse than Windows 10 did to me in practice. It's a bit quirky during update cycles, but that's typical Microsoft for you. The updates don't always go smooth as you'd prefer, but if you use a fresh ISO it's fine enough.

 

[ARF]

And what features are those ARF I've yet to find any that are missing

There is a whole Wikipedia page dedicated for this. Read it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_11

Start menu​

Some functionality from the Start menu was removed and replaced with other features.

• Folders and groups<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_11
• Live tiles, but the Widgets panel provides portions of what the live tiles of Windows 10's bundled apps provided
• Recent and pinned files on pinned apps

Taskbar​

The following taskbar features are no longer available as of Windows 11:

• Support for moving the taskbar to the top, left, or right of the screen
• Support for changing the size of the taskbar or its icons
• "Time" is not displayed in the calendar when clicking on the "Date/Time" on taskbar
• Scheduled events are not displayed in the calendar when opened
• The option to show or hide Windows shell's tray icons (Only third-party icons can be hidden or shown)
• All settings and shortcuts in the taskbar's context menu (Only a shortcut to the taskbar settings area of the Settings app is available.) href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_11
• The network and audio flyouts have been consolidated into a new settings flyout
• "Some icons in the System Tray", although Microsoft doesn't specify which
• Support for third-party taskbar components (deskbands)
• The upward swipe gesture for jumplists
• Ability to move the system tray from the primary monitor
• The People button (The "Chat" button powered by Microsoft Teams takes its place.)
• The News and Interests panel (The "Widgets" panel serves the same purpose.)
• Action Center (Two separate flyouts take its place: "Notification Center" and "Quick Settings")
• Support for showing one icon per app window the taskbar (Reinstated in May 2023; option merged with showing labels href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_11
• Support for showing windows labels on taskbar (Reinstated in May 2023; option merged with separating window icons
• Support for bringing an app into focus by dragging a file to its button
• Task Manager can no longer be opened by right-clicking taskbar (Reinstated in September 2022 insider builds)
• Ability to peek at the desktop by hovering the mouse cursor over the Show Desktop button
• Ability to display the seconds on the current time removed
• Support for adding toolbars such as the Quick Launch Bar (apart from 3rd party software)
• Expanding Taskbar to two levels

 

[lexluthermiester]

There is a whole Wikipedia page dedicated for this. Read it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_11

Most of that is stuff no one cares about. This is classic and deliberate picking at nits.

 

[Durvelle27]

Windows 10 EOL


So honestly the best option is only 11 if you still want to continue receiving future updates

 

[lexluthermiester]

Windows 10 EOL


So honestly the best option is only 11 if you still want to continue receiving future updates

The consumer versions are EOL in three months IF users don't opt for the extra year of security updates for $30 or if they use microsoft's free option.

 

[Athlonite]

The consumer versions are EOL in three months IF users don't opt for the extra year of security updates for $30 or if they use microsoft's free option.

$30 bucks = not as much spying
free option = more spying than cold war era CIA/KGB

 

[A Computer Guy]

There is a whole Wikipedia page dedicated for this. Read it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_11

Start menu​

Some functionality from the Start menu was removed and replaced with other features.

• Folders and groups<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_11
• Live tiles, but the Widgets panel provides portions of what the live tiles of Windows 10's bundled apps provided
• Recent and pinned files on pinned apps

Taskbar​

The following taskbar features are no longer available as of Windows 11:

• Support for moving the taskbar to the top, left, or right of the screen
• Support for changing the size of the taskbar or its icons
• "Time" is not displayed in the calendar when clicking on the "Date/Time" on taskbar
• Scheduled events are not displayed in the calendar when opened
• The option to show or hide Windows shell's tray icons (Only third-party icons can be hidden or shown)
• All settings and shortcuts in the taskbar's context menu (Only a shortcut to the taskbar settings area of the Settings app is available.) href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_11
• The network and audio flyouts have been consolidated into a new settings flyout
• "Some icons in the System Tray", although Microsoft doesn't specify which
• Support for third-party taskbar components (deskbands)
• The upward swipe gesture for jumplists
• Ability to move the system tray from the primary monitor
• The People button (The "Chat" button powered by Microsoft Teams takes its place.)
• The News and Interests panel (The "Widgets" panel serves the same purpose.)
• Action Center (Two separate flyouts take its place: "Notification Center" and "Quick Settings")
• Support for showing one icon per app window the taskbar (Reinstated in May 2023; option merged with showing labels href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_11
• Support for showing windows labels on taskbar (Reinstated in May 2023; option merged with separating window icons
• Support for bringing an app into focus by dragging a file to its button
• Task Manager can no longer be opened by right-clicking taskbar (Reinstated in September 2022 insider builds)
• Ability to peek at the desktop by hovering the mouse cursor over the Show Desktop button
• Ability to display the seconds on the current time removed
• Support for adding toolbars such as the Quick Launch Bar (apart from 3rd party software)
• Expanding Taskbar to two levels

Them getting rid of wordpad was a low blow. How am I supposed to edit my rtf documents now?

 

[Waldorf]

@lexluthermiester
i expect a lot having to do with location, and not so much with user/setup/"cleaning".

it doesnt matter if its mobile/tv/pc etc, or what OS/app/browser, you have a lot of privacy things that are not "allowed" in some countries (like EU), which you cant decline or dont even show up/give no options, when you are in the US.

@Durvelle27
@Athlonite
just get a Enterprise license for ~15$ online, LTSC IoT has support till 2030.
and less crap coming with it...

 

[Athlonite]

Them getting rid of wordpad was a low blow. How am I supposed to edit my rtf documents now?

Just use the new Note Pad instead

just get a Enterprise license for ~15$ online, LTSC IoT has support till 2030.
and less crap coming with it...

Yeah I got Pro for $11 online which fine for me

 

[lexluthermiester]

free option = more spying than cold war era CIA/KGB

Not really. If you follow the instructions found in the video below one can avoid any and all unpleasantness.

it doesnt matter if its mobile/tv/pc etc, or what OS/app/browser, you have a lot of privacy things that are not "allowed" in some countries (like EU), which you cant decline or dont even show up/give no options, when you are in the US.

If I'm understanding your statement, you seem to very much have the wrong idea about the USA.

 

[Waldorf]

@lexluthermiester
no "idea" involved. i AM american, and have lived half my life in CONUS, half outside in EU, and i care to read what i "accept" when setting up devices.
just the fact that when i want to "customize" yahoo cookies in the US, all "3rd party/ads/tracking" stuff is enabled, when i do the same in Germany, all are disabled/only absolute needed stuff is selected by default.

fact is, consumer/user "protection" in the states is a lot less, then what you get in other 1st world countries, same for other things like warranties (3y vs 2y; or who you have to deal with for rma).

 

[lexluthermiester]

@lexluthermiester
no "idea" involved. i AM american, and have lived half my life in CONUS, half outside in EU, and i care to read what i "accept" when setting up devices.
just the fact that when i want to "customize" yahoo cookies in the US, all "3rd party/ads/tracking" stuff is enabled, when i do the same in Germany, all are disabled/only absolute needed stuff is selected by default.

fact is, consumer/user "protection" in the states is a lot less, then what you get in other 1st world countries, same for other things like warranties (3y vs 2y; or who you have to deal with for rma).

Sounds like disillusioned and misplaced rage to me..

 

[Waldorf]

@lexluthermiester
so far you havent posted anything that shows im incorrect, and i dont care to reset any of my devices, just to show that there is a difference.

edit:
something to read up on:
US vs EU privacy laws
privacy protection differences