Windows 11 a Flop, Survey Claims Less Than 1% Upgraded, Microsoft Improves Start Menu

[Chomiq]

I don't understand why, though. Do they think people don't use mice anymore?

Simple:

Windows 10X

Windows 10X (codenamed Santorini) was an edition of Windows 10 that had been in development by Microsoft as part of the Windows NT family. It was announced on October 2, 2019 as an operating system to support dual-screen devices, such as the Surface Neo. Windows 10X was originally expected to be...

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11 is a rebranded 10X. This is what you get when port interface designed for tablets to use for desktop environment.

 

[R0H1T]

This is what you get when port interface designed for tablets to use for desktop environment.

That was said for win8 as well, this isn't changing unless MS uses completely different OSes for touchscreens/mobiles/tablets & desktops.

 

[AusWolf]

Right & like I said you don't need it.

It's not a requirement.

 

[R0H1T]

Ok, I don't see a contradiction there. I said the same thing in both the posts. If you want a simple workaround just Google "windows 11 no TPM build" ~ that easy enough for the plebs?

It would be a problem if MS enforced that but clearly they're not doing it.

 

[Chomiq]

Ok, I don't see a contradiction there. I said the same thing in both the posts. If you want a simple workaround just Google "windows 11 no TPM build" ~ that easy enough for the plebs?

It would be a problem if MS enforced that but clearly they're not doing it.

Pleb clicks "Check if your system can run next Windows version" and once they see "No it can't" they go "Ok...".

 

[bug]

Ok, I don't see a contradiction there. I said the same thing in both the posts. If you want a simple workaround just Google "windows 11 no TPM build" ~ that easy enough for the plebs?

It would be a problem if MS enforced that but clearly they're not doing it.

In short, if Microsoft says it's a requirement, but doesn't enforce it yet, then it's not a requirement? I wouldn't risk my main system on that.

 

[AusWolf]

Simple:

Windows 10X

Windows 10X (codenamed Santorini) was an edition of Windows 10 that had been in development by Microsoft as part of the Windows NT family. It was announced on October 2, 2019 as an operating system to support dual-screen devices, such as the Surface Neo. Windows 10X was originally expected to be...

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11 is a rebranded 10X. This is what you get when port interface designed for tablets to use for desktop environment.

I knew about Windows 10X, but I didn't realise how similar 11 looks.

So essentially, 10X got scrapped because the idea of it was crap, but later they realised that the person who designed the UI was the son of some big boss, so they incorporated it into 11.

Pleb clicks "Check if your system can run next Windows version" and once they see "No it can't" they go "Ok...".

Exactly. Plebs don't even know what a TPM is.

 

[Chomiq]

MS lacks vision required to design a new OS from scratch and what we get instead are botched attempts at merging multiple branches over code that's been there for decades. They had UI designed for tablets, then someone saw a screenshot of this or a demo and said "Ok, let's put this in 11" without considering how will it work on regular displays that are 1080p or even lower res. Once eleven got released someone else decided that Office 365 needs to have the same type of design applied to it so now actual real estate when using any office app is greatly reduced because everything is 40% bigger.
I could design better UI in Paint.
Before:

After:

And you could still shave off lots of useless pixels that are there simply because UI is to be used on a touchscreen. That stupid top bar always has Icon, search bar and maybe filename. Why the hell does it have to take so much desktop real estate?

 

[Melvis]

Who didnt see that one coming? like Honestly...........

 

[Broken Processor]

Almost surely the 5950X system is upgradeable just with a UEFI change in the security options to enable TPM version 2.0 and secure boot.

It probably also requires partition modification to GPT

 

[Dristun]

It looks like ass with all the ridiculous padding, offers nothing interesting of value and Microsoft has the nerve to ask average consumers to change BIOS settings and mess with partitions to be able to update. Lol. Not to mention that lots of software is yet to support it officially, even if it might work ok w/o it.

 

[R0H1T]

In short, if Microsoft says it's a requirement, but doesn't enforce it yet, then it's not a requirement? I wouldn't risk my main system on that.

Yes kinda like you need to activate Windows to use it, after the initial grace period, but MS doesn't nuke your system if you don't.

But you probably don't have to, it's kinda like saying if you have to ask you probably don't need it.

Windows 11 is not a requirement for anything right now.

 

[AusWolf]

MS lacks vision required to design a new OS from scratch and what we get instead are botched attempts at merging multiple branches over code that's been there for decades. They had UI designed for tablets, then someone saw a screenshot of this or a demo and said "Ok, let's put this in 11" without considering how will it work on regular displays that are 1080p or even lower res. Once eleven got released someone else decided that Office 365 needs to have the same type of design applied to it so now actual real estate when using any office app is greatly reduced because everything is 40% bigger.

We don't even need a new OS from scratch. As long as the old one can support new software and hardware with updates, we're fine. Just like nobody needed Office 365, either.

 

[Totally]

It probably also requires partition modification to GPT

Nope just go into bios and hit a toggle OS handles the rest, if it does anything.

 

[Chris34]

Windows 12 coming next year. Probably.

 

[Aretak]

The UI really is a non-issue. It sucks, but you just install StartAllBack and it's gone. It fixes the Start menu, it fixes the taskbar, it fixes the context menus and can even put Explorer back to how it looked in Windows 10 (or even Windows 7) if you prefer that. The hardware requirements are also trivial to bypass. Rufus will automatically patch them out if you use it to create the installation media. I'm running it without my TPM or Secure Boot enabled, and have had no problems. It doesn't complain about anything and updates work just fine.

Beyond that, it's just Windows 10 with some minor improvements. It's somewhat lighter than Windows 10 and uses less RAM, comparing my custom debloating of both. It also outright allows you to disable telemetry via Group Policy if you're using Education or Enterprise (I installed the latter), which is something Windows 10 doesn't allow, with even those editions sending "necessary" data. I haven't encountered any more bugs than I ever had with Windows 10 either. Not that that's a high bar, given Microsoft's endless beta approach to Windows these days, but still.

It's really not a bad version of Windows once you fix Microsoft's boneheaded design decisions. On the whole I like it more than I ever liked Windows 10. In an ideal world I'd still prefer to be using Windows 7, but that becomes less and less viable, even with BypassESU.

 

[Abaidor]

Almost surely the 5950X system is upgradeable just with a UEFI change in the security options to enable TPM version 2.0 and secure boot.

My 7940X on Asus Rampage VI Extreme is eligible as well......just check your BIOS settigns.

 

[LifeOnMars]

I really like it, but obviously in the minority. Flawless game performance, fast subsystem, I've really had no issues from release day other than the Ryzen cache issue that was fixed but honestly, game performance has been great and that's all I'm bothered about. Could it be more streamlined? Definitely, but I'm certainly not losing sleep over it. I use firefox as my browser(super fast), browse a multitude of websites and youtube, game on it and that's it. As I've said before though, I wish Microsoft would release a gaming variant of Windows and back up their word that PC gamers matter to them.

 

[Guwapo77]

I like having the control panel still, but Microsoft is intent on removing it with W11.

Its still there. I can confirm first hand. I'm also a person who loves the control panel. Its pinned to the windows button (start menu).

Simple:

Windows 10X

Windows 10X (codenamed Santorini) was an edition of Windows 10 that had been in development by Microsoft as part of the Windows NT family. It was announced on October 2, 2019 as an operating system to support dual-screen devices, such as the Surface Neo. Windows 10X was originally expected to be...

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11 is a rebranded 10X. This is what you get when port interface designed for tablets to use for desktop environment.

It doesn't feel like Win 8's tablet design. It feels like Win 10, but prettier. I wouldn't use this UI for a tablet as it wouldn't be user friendly at all.

The UI really is a non-issue. It sucks, but you just install StartAllBack and it's gone. It fixes the Start menu, it fixes the taskbar, it fixes the context menus and can even put Explorer back to how it looked in Windows 10 (or even Windows 7) if you prefer that. The hardware requirements are also trivial to bypass. Rufus will automatically patch them out if you use it to create the installation media. I'm running it without my TPM or Secure Boot enabled, and have had no problems. It doesn't complain about anything and updates work just fine.

Beyond that, it's just Windows 10 with some minor improvements. It's somewhat lighter than Windows 10 and uses less RAM, comparing my custom debloating of both. It also outright allows you to disable telemetry via Group Policy if you're using Education or Enterprise (I installed the latter), which is something Windows 10 doesn't allow, with even those editions sending "necessary" data. I haven't encountered any more bugs than I ever had with Windows 10 either. Not that that's a high bar, given Microsoft's endless beta approach to Windows these days, but still.

It's really not a bad version of Windows once you fix Microsoft's boneheaded design decisions. On the whole I like it more than I ever liked Windows 10. In an ideal world I'd still prefer to be using Windows 7, but that becomes less and less viable, even with BypassESU.

I have to say I agree with most of everything you just said here. I didn't think I would like Windows 11, but I am really liking the UI as is and I don't need to change it back to 10. Oh, there is one thing I have an issue with and its the clock for those use use multiple monitor setups like I do (3 x 1440p). I don't have a close on my other screens, I need those back when I'm in full screen.

 

[rutra80]

Less than 1%... Who is surprised?? That's more or less as many as those who meet hardware requirements.

 

[Calmmo]

Steam hardware survey says otherwise. Higher than you'd think in such a short amount of time.

 

[zlobby]

 

[Octopuss]

clunky user interface (UI), a less functional Start menu than Windows 10

Say what?
Someone explain this shit to me.
What the hell did they do to the interface? I thought it looked mostly identical to Win10

 

[zlobby]

Steam hardware survey says otherwise. Higher than you'd think in such a short amount of time.

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Only that Steam stats count only for the store platform users. Steam users are a small number of all machines running Windows. Simple mafs.

The UI really is a non-issue. It sucks, but you just install StartAllBack and it's gone. It fixes the Start menu, it fixes the taskbar, it fixes the context menus and can even put Explorer back to how it looked in Windows 10 (or even Windows 7) if you prefer that. The hardware requirements are also trivial to bypass. Rufus will automatically patch them out if you use it to create the installation media. I'm running it without my TPM or Secure Boot enabled, and have had no problems. It doesn't complain about anything and updates work just fine.

Beyond that, it's just Windows 10 with some minor improvements. It's somewhat lighter than Windows 10 and uses less RAM, comparing my custom debloating of both. It also outright allows you to disable telemetry via Group Policy if you're using Education or Enterprise (I installed the latter), which is something Windows 10 doesn't allow, with even those editions sending "necessary" data. I haven't encountered any more bugs than I ever had with Windows 10 either. Not that that's a high bar, given Microsoft's endless beta approach to Windows these days, but still.

It's really not a bad version of Windows once you fix Microsoft's boneheaded design decisions. On the whole I like it more than I ever liked Windows 10. In an ideal world I'd still prefer to be using Windows 7, but that becomes less and less viable, even with BypassESU.

Thanks for the RUFUS hint!

 

[dyonoctis]

MS lacks vision required to design a new OS from scratch and what we get instead are botched attempts at merging multiple branches over code that's been there for decades. They had UI designed for tablets, then someone saw a screenshot of this or a demo and said "Ok, let's put this in 11" without considering how will it work on regular displays that are 1080p or even lower res. Once eleven got released someone else decided that Office 365 needs to have the same type of design applied to it so now actual real estate when using any office app is greatly reduced because everything is 40% bigger.
I could design better UI in Paint.
Before:
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After:
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And you could still shave off lots of useless pixels that are there simply because UI is to be used on a touchscreen. That stupid top bar always has Icon, search bar and maybe filename. Why the hell does it have to take so much desktop real estate?

Microsoft doesn't have the funds to develop a full desktop UI and a tablet UI at the same time . /S
But more seriously, if there's anything to blame, it's the sole existence of laptops with touch screens. The way that windows is currently designed allow people using such device to switch from a touch based to a trackpad/mouse based user input without delay. What's more annoying between wasted space but a design that is still functional, or having to manually switch from a touch UI to a desktop UI every time ?