Windows 11 - Do you like it? (with poll)

[Onasi]

@Nhonho
Yes. It’s exactly the same OS as any other 24H2, just without most of the bloat pre-installed and with couple more policies aimed at enterprise available. Well, that, and the entire thing of it being frozen in terms of major version upgrades.

 

[lexluthermiester]

@Nhonho
Yes. It’s exactly the same OS as any other 24H2

No, it isn't. The updates released to the Enterprise/LTSC lineup are distinctly different from the other Windows product channels.

 

[Onasi]

@lexluthermiester
Source on that? They get the same KBs and there is no difference in build versions. The update channel might be different in the case of LTSC, but this is the first time I hear anyone saying that updates themselves are different. In fact, I don’t see how they can be since one can easily “switch” the regular Enterprise to Pro.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Source on that? They get the same KBs and there is no difference in build versions. The update channel might be different in the case of LTSC, but this is the first time I hear anyone saying that updates themselves are different. In fact, I don’t see how they can be since one can easily “switch” the regular Enterprise to Pro.

I'm not jumping down that rabbit hole again. Go look it up.

 

[Onasi]

@lexluthermiester
You realize that I did already and, in fact, work with Enterprise Windows professionally? Again, this is the first time I hear such a thing. That’s why I am asking for a source. Making a ridiculous claim and going “I am not backing it up, go look yourself” is not on, Lex. I expect better.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I asked a person

... if the world was flat. He said yes so I will never go on an ocean cruise. I don't want to fall off the edge. And where does that ocean water go after it falls?

 

[bonehead123]

They can have my W10Pro install when they can pry it from my cold, dead, mini-me box

or maybe when they get 11 to work as well as 10 does ATM (probably about 1 year after W12 comes out, hehehe !)

 

[lexluthermiester]

@lexluthermiester
You realize that I did already and, in fact, work with Enterprise Windows professionally?

So do I and I can definitively state that ALL versions of Windows Enterprise do NOT get all the same KBs as the general consumer versions of Windows. There are mutually distributed versions of update KB's true, however they are NOT all the same and not all of the KB's pushed to the Home and Pro versions of Windows are pushed to Enterprise versions. This is common knowledge. I'm not going to debate it any further.

Can't find the Enterprise version of this list but it's not far different;

What's new in Windows Server 2025

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[Fizban]

Windows 11 is mostly Windows 10, except with a better task scheduler, better HDR support, better multi-monitor support, better app docking, and some other small changes. I have not wanted to go back to W10 for a single minute since switching to W11 3.5 years ago.

 

[vacsati]

Pretty good system, no problem.
After a year with win 11 it was a bit strange to use win 10 again at my workplace, the GUI feels old, and everything is a bit less responsive.
Win11 is much faster, comfortable to use, after someone get used to it. Some people cry about start menu, but using the search bar to find stg is way faster and easier.

 

[3valatzy]

That's not true at all.

Sounds like they are the problem. I have W11 on all my systems and never had a BSOD or issue caused by Windows.
So in answer to the thread, YES I do like W11.

Reality check.

How to fix the blue screen of death error in Windows 11

The blue screen of death in Windows 11 can be frustrating but it's relatively easy to fix

www.itpro.com

 

[Fizban]

I asked a person - should I install win 11? The answer was: hell, no, unless you want constant BSOD. That OS is not ready and fixed just yet.

I didn't have this experience in June of 2021 on a leaked dev build. I definitely don't have this experience now 3.5 years later. If someone's getting constant BSOD's on W11, I am quite confident that the OS isn't the issue.

 

[Frick]

Reality check.

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How to fix the blue screen of death error in Windows 11

The blue screen of death in Windows 11 can be frustrating but it's relatively easy to fix

www.itpro.com

Uhh ok.

 

[SchumannFrequency]

I recently used an acquaintance's windows11 computer to print a file and it was a bad experience.

The default program to open PDF files was a free version of a paid program and you had to click away ads before you could use the app. I could not print the pages with the format I normally use via a Linux laptop.

Then I checked for other PDF apps on that windows11 PC and it also had the free version of Adobe Acrobat. While printing, this does not remember the previous page-range you printed. Getting the layout right was also much less streamlined that what I am used to in Linux.

I think Okular and Evince are better PDF apps than the typical free PDF apps people use on windows 11.

On OpenBSD, I currently use qpdfview which boots in 0.2 seconds (on a EVO 850 500GB SATA SSD). I think even a simple app like qpdfview is better than what I see many people using on windows 11.

 

[TSiAhmat]

I recently used an acquaintance's windows11 computer to print a file and it was a bad experience.

The default program to open PDF files was a free version of a paid program and you had to click away ads before you could use the app. I could not print the pages with the format I normally use via a Linux laptop.

Then I checked for other PDF apps on that windows11 PC and it also had the free version of Adobe Acrobat. While printing, this does not remember the previous page-range you printed. Getting the layout right was also much less streamlined that what I am used to in Linux.

I think Okular and Evince are better PDF apps than the typical free PDF apps people use on windows 11.

On OpenBSD, I currently use qpdfview which boots in 0.2 seconds (on a EVO 850 500GB SATA SSD). I think even a simple app like qpdfview is better than what I see many people using on windows 11.

That seems more like a critique of the adobe acrobat reader than windows 11 (off topic in a way), you can install a lot of different PDF Viewer/Reader Apps on Windows 11 as well.
Just have to find the right one.

Also Windows 11 has no "standard" PDF Reader as far as I am aware. Maybe Microsoft Edge could be the one, but that might be a stretch.

 

[windwhirl]

Maybe Microsoft Edge could be the one, but that might be a stretch.

Yes. I think Edge handles PDF reading if you don't have an already installed PDF reading software in your computer.

I recently used an acquaintance's windows11 computer to print a file and it was a bad experience.

From your comment, I feel like that's either complaining about Acrobat or your acquaintance's computer is just badly set up, not so much an inherent Windows 11 issue.

 

[_roman_]

From your comment, I feel like that's either complaining about Acrobat or your acquaintance's computer is just badly set up, not so much an inherent Windows 11 issue.

Do not ask me why. When consumers complaint about pdf and windows 10 / 11 the first thing I will check if acrobat reader is installed and set up as the pdf software to open with.
That issue I had in different companies with many users.

I do not know anymore why acrobat does pdf better in windows 10 and 11.

I always assumed that a windows update had set "Edge" as default pdf viewer.

Windows 10 / 11 / maybe other version and gnu gentoo linux have an issue with stupid software developers who will overwrite the "open with" dialog without being asked to. I have it also here in gnu gentoo linux with my i3wm and caja - my file explorer as a choice. (that happens maybe since day one of this gentoo installation - which dates back to 2006)

I think only some webbrowsers will ask on some operating system if they are allowed to overwrite being the default webbrowser. Mostly any other software will take without being asked to every "open with program file type" permission.

Also Windows 11 has no "standard" PDF Reader as far as I am aware. Maybe Microsoft Edge could be the one, but that might be a stretch.

-- the default pdf reader in windows 11 = Microsoft edge (why should I have to change that pdf dialog on so many boxes in the past?)

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I would suggest we keep this to windows 11 please.

There is no decent pdf app in gnu gentoo linux since 2006.
The paid acrobat version of windows can do things which no other softare most likely can.

app-text/mupdf-1.24.8
app-text/qpdf-11.9.1

 

[Shou Miko]

Problem with Edge is that it just opens a PDF file, it doesn't do it in a sandbox like a read pdf viewer can do so you could get a virus hurra Microsoft

 

[windwhirl]

Problem with Edge is that it just opens a PDF file, it doesn't do it in a sandbox like a read pdf viewer can do so you could get a virus hurra Microsoft

... You didn't know that Edge is based on Chromium and as such runs everything in separate, sandboxed processes, did you?

 

[_JP_]

My opinion solely on this post:

I voted "It's ok." but then I voted "I prefer Windows 7.", since it is really what I feel about it. Win11 is a forced move like an eviction from your rented flat to another one because your landlord said so while you happened to be in the toilet while dinner is almost done cooking, as far as I'm aware, and from the get-go I was not as curious about it like I was with 10.

It doesn't bring enough added value to the table, it's mostly cloud-connected stuff, whereas 7 is tweakers and customizing heaven, besides practical. Freshly installed, it's always a clean slate.
Windows 8 to 11 is an increasingly huge table with feature-annoucing stickers to remove and plastic appendages that you're not going to use (promoted UWP Apps).
Windows 11 allowing to customize even less of the OS makes it politically correct to be used by those that are better off with a mobile device to begin with. Get a Chromebook instead, honestly.

Cloud-connected stuff already existed then (Win7), but you had a separation from the OS and everything worked still. It was not the mess of integration that was seen with XP, coming from the ideas brought since 95.
Windows 10 brought great added value to Enterprise in the management-side of things and some of it to SOHO considering you could re-use current tech with new features, that would somewhat also work with 7, but I see 10 as a fully orientated Enterprise OS. That contrasts with 2K, that started as such and proved to be a ironclad OS for the home user with a bit more IT knowledge.

Or I could just be getting old and falling on te same paradigm of the generations before me: "What I saw with enthusiasm in my 20's is what is the best forever, everything newer sucks in comparison, besides being increasingly confusing."

 

[TechBuyingHavoc]

My opinion solely on this post:

I voted "It's ok." but then I voted "I prefer Windows 7.", since it is really what I feel about it. Win11 is a forced move like an eviction from your rented flat to another one because your landlord said so while you happened to be in the toilet while dinner is almost done cooking, as far as I'm aware, and from the get-go I was not as curious about it like I was with 10.

It doesn't bring enough added value to the table, it's mostly cloud-connected stuff, whereas 7 is tweakers and customizing heaven, besides practical. Freshly installed, it's always a clean slate.
Windows 8 to 11 is an increasingly huge table with feature-annoucing stickers to remove and plastic appendages that you're not going to use (promoted UWP Apps).
Windows 11 allowing to customize even less of the OS makes it politically correct to be used by those that are better off with a mobile device to begin with. Get a Chromebook instead, honestly.

Cloud-connected stuff already existed then (Win7), but you had a separation from the OS and everything worked still. It was not the mess of integration that was seen with XP, coming from the ideas brought since 95.
Windows 10 brought great added value to Enterprise in the management-side of things and some of it to SOHO considering you could re-use current tech with new features, that would somewhat also work with 7, but I see 10 as a fully orientated Enterprise OS. That contrasts with 2K, that started as such and proved to be a ironclad OS for the home user with a bit more IT knowledge.

Or I could just be getting old and falling on te same paradigm of the generations before me: "What I saw with enthusiasm in my 20's is what is the best forever, everything newer sucks in comparison, besides being increasingly confusing."

No, you are not getting older, sometimes the newer stuff just SUCKS. For example, I consider LCD TVs, fully backlit LED LCDs, and now OLED TVs to be a clear increase in quality over the old CRTs. Yes, there is a role for the old CRTs, with retro gaming as one niche use case. But for general use, TV technology has been improving for the better.

Power supplies for PCs and RAM technology and CPUs is the same trend, no compromises for the increases in product quality. I would also say that for GPUs but the pricing is definitely inferior to previous generations.

I can't say that about Windows. I agree with you that Windows 7 was probably the most friendly to user customization and before all the cloud/always connected crap infested Windows. I mean, you can't even move the taskbar around anymore, what if I want it on the left side of the screen?

10 is worse than 7 because of the reasons above, 11 is a LOT worse than 10, everything wrong is intensified.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Problem with Edge is that it just opens a PDF file, it doesn't do it in a sandbox like a read pdf viewer can do so you could get a virus hurra Microsoft

So uninstall Edge and use something else? Not really a big problem or complaint.

... You didn't know that Edge is based on Chromium and as such runs everything in separate, sandboxed processes, did you?

But it's not. Edge is microsoft's own bastardization of chrome and no it does not run in a sandbox mode by default..

10 is worse than 7 because of the reasons above, 11 is a LOT worse than 10, everything wrong is intensified.

As someone who loves Windows 7 and still runs it on a few of his systems, yes 10 is a crap-show compared to 7. However, 11 is not. 11 is a turn back in the right direction. It's not perfect by any means, but after it's debloated and tweak just right, it is joy to work with.

 

[Shou Miko]

So uninstall Edge and use something else? Not really a big problem or complaint.

1. It's not really easy to remove Edge you need to use like Chris Titus Tech winutil or install the N version of Windows which is missing the Media Feature Pack which can cause other problems which is annoying.

It can be added as a feature but I guess it's just Microsoft's way to give the EEA the middle finger since they were forced not to include Bing, Cortana, Edge, Xbox and a couple of more baked in things if I remember correctly.
Link: https://www.elevenforum.com/t/downl...-feature-pack-for-windows-11-n-editions.9082/

I also discovered with the LTSC version it has some bugs like remembering the last location in the "save as" dialog box maybe it's a Windows "Feature" I do not know.

 

[TSiAhmat]

1. It's not really easy to remove Edge you need to use like Chris Titus Tech winutil or install the N version of Windows which is missing the Media Feature Pack which can cause other problems which is annoying.

Ehhh it's actually really easy to uninstall Edge now, just go to settings -> apps -> search for edge -> press on uninstall -> and it's gone (maybe this is a regional/EU thing??)

They (had to) change it, because of regulations. If I am not completely wrong. But yeah, in the past it was a pain in the ass to remove.

 

[Shou Miko]

Ehhh it's actually really easy to uninstall Edge now, just go to settings -> apps -> search for edge -> press on uninstall -> and it's gone (maybe this is a regional/EU thing??)

They (had to) change it, because of regulations. If I am not completely wrong. But yeah, in the past it was a pain in the ass to remove.

If you use the non-N version you ain't allowed in Windows 11 to uninstall Edge.

This is why there are various github scripts that tries to.