Windows 11 Performance Issues on Ryzen Fixed by Updates from Microsoft and AMD

halodies · Oct 23, 2021

Here is my results!

KarymidoN · Oct 23, 2021

TheoneandonlyMrK said:
Is it still a free upgrade from 10pro?!

yep

LiveOrDie · Oct 23, 2021

I dont care I use intel AMD sucks.

Raiden85 · Oct 23, 2021

LiveOrDie said:
I dont care I use intel AMD sucks.

If it wasn't for AMD kicking Intel up the ass we would stiil be stuck with quad cores and the overpriced HEDT platform. About 10yrs of quads was enough.

R-T-B · Oct 23, 2021

Gentlemen, keep your fanboy at the thread entrance...

Deleted member 24505 · Oct 23, 2021

R-T-B said:
Gentlemen, keep your fanboy at the thread entrance...

Yeah there's enough AMD ones in TPU now anyway.

R-T-B · Oct 23, 2021

Tigger said:
Yeah there's enough AMD ones in TPU now anyway.

Brand don't matter, just stow it if that's all you got.

Deleted member 24505 · Oct 23, 2021

R-T-B said:
Brand don't matter, just stow it if that's all you got.

I never unstowed it did i

R-T-B · Oct 23, 2021

Tigger said:
I never unstowed it did i

Wasn't talking about you... but uh... I guess?

Deleted member 24505 · Oct 23, 2021

R-T-B said:
Wasn't talking about you... but uh... I guess?

You was you replied to me, Brand don't matter, just stow it if that's all you got. But no worries eh

R-T-B · Oct 23, 2021

Tigger said:
You was you replied to me, Brand don't matter, just stow it if that's all you got. But no worries eh

I was speaking generally in response to the AMD part. But no worries yeah.

Patriot · Oct 23, 2021

fiftofar said:
Personally never had a good time with AMD drivers in general, when Windows updates are thrown in the mix it is even worse (mainly with alpha/beta/insider etc)
Especially the AMD RAID drivers and software.

Pre-nvme their raid drivers were fine...their testing of nvme+hdd raid was lackluster and a pita to use.
Now in combination with windows update touching drivers they shouldn't...
Needless to say I moved that friend to storage spaces... I figure they are more likely to test compatibility with things they make.

Windows has changed driver frameworks once or twice with windows 10 and I have seen many driver issues due to that from many vendors. There is no longer windows 10 compatibility, there is a recipe of Win10build +driver.
AMD gpu drivers have been more or less unstable trying to use their screen recording capabilities, but then again shadowplay has gone through bouts of instability.

@bug, AMD having to make a new driver seems more like another framework change with the changes Intel made to the scheduler, Keep in mind Intel and MS made the scheduler for win11 together.

TheoneandonlyMrK · Oct 23, 2021

Patriot said:
Pre-nvme their raid drivers were fine.

Now in combination with windows update touching driers they shouldn't...
Needless to say I moved that friend to storage spaces... I figure they are more likely to test compatibility with things they make.

I've used raid0 on Amd for years across builds and HDD and nvme without a single issue.

Hopefully you will continue to be wrong in the future but I'll let you know if I ever agree with that.

Now on Topic.

Good a new OS tends to have teething problems good to see prompt fixes.

Patriot · Oct 23, 2021

TheoneandonlyMrK said:
I've used raid0 on Amd for years across builds and HDD and nvme without a single issue.

Hopefully you will continue to be wrong in the future but I'll let you know if I ever agree with that.

Now on Topic.

Good a new OS tends to have teething problems good to see prompt fixes.

Wow toxic trash.

Windows changes driver frameworks, it causes driver issues. Thems the facts.

If you don't keep your driver in lockstep recipe it causes issues.
Windows 11 changed stuff again, and Intel helped write the scheduler hence new driver required.

AMD had issues with young Windows 10 drivers and nvme+raid. I wrote multiple bug reports and got them fixed...
Having to have 3 different drivers on install to enable hdd raid from nvme boot... is still a jank install method.

Whose fault is it? Well windows 10 has been a bit of a moving target for driver writing...
Drivers written on earlier frameworks are supposed to work on later but MS has broken support between "compatible" versions multiple times.

Windows breaks stuff with updates, and vendors are forced to find fixes and release drivers that work around MS changes.

TheoneandonlyMrK · Oct 23, 2021

Patriot said:
Wow toxic trash.

Windows changes driver frameworks, it causes driver issues. Thems the facts.

If you don't keep your driver in lockstep recipe it causes issues.
Windows 11 changed stuff again, and Intel helped write the scheduler hence new driver required.

AMD had issues with young Windows 10 drivers and nvme+raid. I wrote multiple bug reports and got them fixed...
Having to have 3 different drivers on install to enable hdd raid from nvme boot... is still a jank install method.

Whose fault is it? Well windows 10 has been a bit of a moving target for driver writing...
Drivers written on earlier frameworks are supposed to work on later but MS has broken support between "compatible" versions multiple times.

Windows breaks stuff with updates, and vendors are forced to find fixes and release drivers that work around MS changes.
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Yeah and yet still no problems here hmmn.

bug · Oct 23, 2021

Patriot said:
Pre-nvme their raid drivers were fine...their testing of nvme+hdd raid was lackluster and a pita to use.
Now in combination with windows update touching drivers they shouldn't...
Needless to say I moved that friend to storage spaces... I figure they are more likely to test compatibility with things they make.

Windows has changed driver frameworks once or twice with windows 10 and I have seen many driver issues due to that from many vendors. There is no longer windows 10 compatibility, there is a recipe of Win10build +driver.
AMD gpu drivers have been more or less unstable trying to use their screen recording capabilities, but then again shadowplay has gone through bouts of instability.

@bug, AMD having to make a new driver seems more like another framework change with the changes Intel made to the scheduler, Keep in mind Intel and MS made the scheduler for win11 together.

I doubt the new scheduler was MS and Intel only, AMD was most likely involved too. And let's not forget Qualcomm. The bug was linked here at some point, it's 6 months old. So it wasn't a last minute change, bat rather something both MS and AMD were ok with - they might have deemed it not critical or agreed on a timeline beforehand. Either that, or they spat about behind the curtains.

R-T-B · Oct 23, 2021

TheoneandonlyMrK said:
Yeah and yet still no problems here hmmn.

Luck you.

Patriot · Oct 23, 2021

TheoneandonlyMrK said:
Yeah and yet still no problems here hmmn.

I am glad you are enjoying the results of my bug reports, subsequent patches, and updated install directions, you are welcome.

bug said:
I doubt the new scheduler was MS and Intel only, AMD was most likely involved too. And let's not forget Qualcomm. The bug was linked here at some point, it's 6 months old. So it wasn't a last minute change, bat rather something both MS and AMD were ok with - they might have deemed it not critical or agreed on a timeline beforehand. Either that, or they spat about behind the curtains.

Main point, Dev build had the fix without new AMD driver. I am sure the agreed on schedule had a Fix before RTM not after... and MS may have released earlier than originally scheduled to correspond with ADL launch. I have seen plenty of companies having a good face together and fighting behind curtains.

bug · Oct 23, 2021

Patriot said:
Main point, Dev build had the fix without new AMD driver. I am sure the agreed on schedule had a Fix before RTM not after... and MS may have released earlier than originally scheduled to correspond with ADL launch. I have seen plenty of companies having a good face together and fighting behind curtains.

Which fix is that? Because the cache latency seems to have been fixed by MS, but that preferred core was AMD's to fix.
And while I'm glad you're sure about what happened between MS and AMD, I'm not and as such I choose not to point fingers.

TheoneandonlyMrK · Oct 23, 2021

Patriot said:
I am glad you are enjoying the results of my bug reports, subsequent patches, and updated install directions, you are welcome.

Main point, Dev build had the fix without new AMD driver. I am sure the agreed on schedule had a Fix before RTM not after... and MS may have released earlier than originally scheduled to correspond with ADL launch. I have seen plenty of companies having a good face together and fighting behind curtains.

Thank you lord but I did say I've been using it since FX days ,was that you fixing the issues I wasn't having back then too, praise to you bro.

Patriot · Oct 23, 2021

TheoneandonlyMrK said:
Thank you lord but I did say I've been using it since FX days ,was that you fixing the issues I wasn't having back then too, praise to you bro.

Reading is hard.

ValenOne · Oct 23, 2021

It looks like AMD Ryzen Chipset Driver 3.10.08.506 doesn't support AMD Ryzen Mobile 2000U Series with Windows 11.

Patriot · Oct 23, 2021

bug said:
Which fix is that? Because the cache latency seems to have been fixed by MS, but that preferred core was AMD's to fix.
And while I'm glad you're sure about what happened between MS and AMD, I'm not and as such I choose not to point fingers.

Why was it AMDs to fix? The frameworks are supposed to be backwards compatible, yet oddly often require new drivers from...everyone. (shrugs)
And I am sure they agreed on a fix, since they listed timelines on their (amd) website... Every OS before 10 had 1 framework listed... 10 has.. 10, and 11 yet another.
They are all supposed to be backwards compatible yet the windows 10 driver doesn't have preferred core working on 11, why is that?

My main point has been its the constant changing frameworks that are causing the driver headaches all around. Drivers built on older builds may work on newer or they might not... it's been pretty hit and miss on windows 10 rolling release.

I am not saying I know what is going on behind the scenes... Just saying those framework changes are not as compatible as they claim, and why would they be, they can't test everything, they are just being reckless at the speed of changes.

Mussels · Oct 24, 2021

LiveOrDie said:
I dont care I use intel AMD sucks.

Shhh, you know better.

rvalencia said:
It looks like AMD Ryzen Chipset Driver 3.10.08.506 doesn't support AMD Ryzen Mobile 2000U Series with Windows 11.

That's because the 2000U series are Zen1 chips, unsupported in 11.

ValenOne · Oct 24, 2021

Mussels said:
Shhh, you know better.

That's because the 2000U series are Zen1 chips, unsupported in 11.

FYI, Ryzen 3 3200U and 3250U are also Zen 1 APUs and it's on WIndows 11s' CPU supported list. https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-3-3250u LOL

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