Windows 11 - TPM 2.0 requirement

[Fangio1951]

hi all,

It appears that this requirement is going to be for both the mobo bios capability AND the hardware requirement for the mobo to have a TPM module and socket.

Searching over the last 4-6 weeks on eBay has revealed a nasty situation where a lot of sellers have the same listing for the same module, but the pics/photos show different modules.

An example = The ads state that the module is a 12 pi unit that will suit Gigabyte Z370 and Z390 mobos. This is incorrect as the pin outs are different = the blanked out pin (No connection) in the socket is on a different pin number.

 

[R-T-B]

It appears that this requirement is going to be for both the mobo bios capability AND the hardware requirement for the mobo to have a TPM module and socket.

Where on earth did you get that idea?

They can't even run at the same time. It defaults to one and one only.

 

[Fangio1951]

Where on earth did you get that idea?

They can't even run at the same time. It defaults to one and one only.

It clearly states it on Microsoft's own web site - it's not one or the other, it's both.

 

[Shrek]

link?

 

[Fangio1951]

link?

And this on CRN = Security updates in Windows 11 will include a requirement that PCs have a security chip, such as the TPM2.0 chip, to run the operating system.

 

[Solaris17]

They can’t be enabled at the same time (usage)and I have seen no official documentation stating that both need to co-exist.

infact while I DO use bit locker and a TPM 2.0 chip on both my desktop and surface, my desktop does not have a firmware TPM I bought one. Microsoft’s own tool passes my system for windows 11 readiness.

im not sure where you are getting your info but it is not technically or factually accurate.

 

[qubit]

And this on CRN = Security updates in Windows 11 will include a requirement that PCs have a security chip, such as the TPM2.0 chip, to run the operating system.

Come on, you need to supply a link to support your claim, otherwise it's hearsay and the thread should be closed.

 

[Mussels]

Onboard firmware TPM is fine, you're misunderstanding what is written

1. Firmware/onboard TPM is fine
2. MS has recently said the limit applies to OEM and windows updates, not custom installs
3. It's so easy to bypass the restrictions, without doing anything that compromises security

 

[Fangio1951]

Onboard firmware TPM is fine, you're misunderstanding what is written

1. Firmware/onboard TPM is fine
2. MS has recently said the limit applies to OEM and windows updates, not custom installs
3. It's so easy to bypass the restrictions, without doing anything that compromises security

hi Mussels,

So, what you're saying is, if your mobo has TPM v2.0 available in the bios, then all you have to do is Enable it which means you don't have to purchase the module.

So if the above is correct, then a lot of the eBay scalpers (The ones who originally purchased 100/1000s of the modules for around $20.00) are making a killing charging $100's / module.

 

[R-T-B]

hi Mussels,

So, what you're saying is, if your mobo has TPM v2.0 available in the bios, then all you have to do is Enable it which means you don't have to purchase the module.

So if the above is correct, then a lot of the eBay scalpers (The ones who originally purchased 100/1000s of the modules for around $20.00) are making a killing charging $100's / module.

That would be correct.

 

[Fangio1951]

hi Mussels/RTB = thanks for the clarification.

PS: I wasn't trying to put out any misinformation, I was just trying to get clarification for myself and others who may view this thread.

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

So if the above is correct, then a lot of the eBay scalpers (The ones whthe reason this happend o originally purchased 100/1000s of the modules for around $20.00) are making a killing charging $100's / mod

The reason this happend was early rumors where that machines without tpm 2.0 could not run it and people more outside the tech loop bought these up on ebay to put on computers without tpm 2 support to meet microsofts rumored requires

 

[qubit]

hi Mussels/RTB = thanks for the clarification.

PS: I wasn't trying to put out any misinformation, I was just trying to get clarification for myself and others who may view this thread.

Dude you got that link? I replied directly to you so you got the alert. Back up your claims with evidence.

 

[Mussels]

hi Mussels,

So, what you're saying is, if your mobo has TPM v2.0 available in the bios, then all you have to do is Enable it which means you don't have to purchase the module.

So if the above is correct, then a lot of the eBay scalpers (The ones who originally purchased 100/1000s of the modules for around $20.00) are making a killing charging $100's / module.

100% correct

the TPM modules are only needed for older boards, IF you dont use one of the many software workarounds

I took one file from a W11 USB, copied it to a W10 USB: bam. secureboot and TPM free windows 11.

I use the alternate method at the bottom of this guide:
Install Windows 11 without TPM & Secure Boot (100% Working) (makmodo.com)

 

[lexluthermiester]

IF you dont use one of the many software workarounds

Which is going to continue being a thing in one form or another.

I took one file from a W11 USB, copied it to a W10 USB: bam. secureboot and TPM free windows 11.

I use the alternate method at the bottom of this guide:
Install Windows 11 without TPM & Secure Boot (100% Working) (makmodo.com)

Like this.

 

[R-T-B]

Dude you got that link? I replied directly to you so you got the alert. Back up your claims with evidence.

I think he was confused and seems to be backing away from said claim now.

 

[qubit]

I think he was confused and seems to be backing away from said claim now.

Maybe. You'd think he'd have the courtesy to just fess up to it, wouldn't you? A bit of common courtesy is all it takes.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Maybe. You'd think he'd have the courtesy to just fess up to it, wouldn't you? A bit of common courtesy is all it takes.

Oh I don't think that's needed. They're not provoking anyone. It was an honest misunderstanding and mistake. No need to embarrass the guy. We're all human and have made mistakes like this.

 

[Fangio1951]

Oh I don't think that's needed. They're not provoking anyone. It was an honest misunderstanding and mistake. No need to embarrass the guy. We're all human and have made mistakes like this.

hi Lex,

Thanks = you're correct, especially with all the mixed messages being put out by M$.

Qubit,

Sorry, No avoiding at all = I was working at the same time as replying to this thread and got involved with a Major Priority 1 incident, for a customer who's network had gone down.

 

[ThrashZone]

hi Lex,

Thanks = you're correct, especially with all the mixed messages being put out by M$.

Qubit,

Sorry, No avoiding at all = I was working at the same time as replying to this thread and got involved with a Major Priority 1 incident, for a customer who's network had gone down.

Hi,
At least you don't post youtube/ twitter/ facebook... feeds for threads like others lol

 

[Fangio1951]

Hi,
At least you don't post youtube/ twitter/ facebook... feeds for threads like others lol

hi,

Nope = I don't do/get involved with any social media whatsoever = Way too many morons out their.

 

[lexluthermiester]

hi Lex,

Thanks = you're correct, especially with all the mixed messages being put out by M$.

No worries. There really are a lot of mixed message and misinformation coming out of microsoft themselves on top of media outlets not understanding the info. It's causing a metric ton of confusion, so yours is understandable.

Way too many morons out their.

We could not agree more on that point.

However, to be fair, YouTube can be a wonderful source of knowledge if you're careful about what you look for and who you listen too.

 

[R-T-B]

However, to be fair, YouTube can be a wonderful source of knowledge if you're careful about what you look for and who you listen too.

OT but I'd argue that's true of all social media. Put your mental filters on when online and you'll be ok.

 

[Mussels]

Alrighty, here to confirm actual facts:

1. You can still install W11 using all the various tricks, and having secure boot disabled
2. At present, you MUST then enable fTPM and secureboot, or windows will not allow you to update

As a result, i have W11 with ftpm on, but no actual secureboot which makes it easier to move this OS to another system, backups etc

 

[lexluthermiester]

Alrighty, here to confirm actual facts:

1. You can still install W11 using all the various tricks, and having secure boot disabled
2. At present, you MUST then enable fTPM and secureboot, or windows will not allow you to update

As a result, i have W11 with ftpm on, but no actual secureboot which makes it easier to move this OS to another system, backups etc

When did this change? Got a link? I mean, I believe you, just want to read the details.