Windows 12

[Onasi]

I can compare two systems:
1. Windows 10 machine. With 14.8 GB of RAM - it idles, loads to Windows screen at 1.9 GB used.
2. Windows 11 machine. With 23.6 GB of RAM - it idles, loads to Windows screen at between 3.9 and 4.4 GB used..

I said “similar installs”. My setup with 32 gigs uses 2.1-2.3 at steady state on fresh boot (so after initial processes had run) and usually falls around 3 when in active use. It all depends on how one tweaks the system, base 11 can have more stuff enabled by default, so just turning it off can bring down the usage. Overall, the difference between 10 and 11 when properly setup over maybe a hundred of machines I work with is statistically negligible.
tl:dr - Skill issue.

A single browser tab uses 5.5 GB.

How is modern browsers aggressively using RAM is the fault of Windows exactly?

I agree that RAM must be used, but it doesn't do anything in order to justify so much resources wasted.

It’s not wasted, it’s literally used to make the OS experience snappier and is instantly re-allocated when needed. What do you think OS memory management even does, fills up the RAM and then just runs out of memory or goes to paging? Stop counting numbers in the task manager, set up your system according to your needs turning off what you don’t use and just let the OS do whatever it wants to. You are not smarter than the MS engineers in this instance.

 

[AUTOEXEC.BAT]

Just loaded some Gigabyte, Logitech and (AMD) Radeon in the background. Browser was closed during screenshot.

 

[Space Lynx]

I'm busy creating a system like that.


Don't know what to do yet

Go offline

or

Go LTSC for some years? Is there a Windows 10 22H2 LTSC? Or mabe IoT if possible for a gaming system?

I don't trust M$ not to fuck it up somehow, also, I have so much backlog, I can literally go offline with my current sig rig and probably not need to upgrade for 10-15 years or more. So, yeah, that is what I intend to do. Windows 10 is soooo fucking fast. I removed all Win10 apps with this special software, and yeah, omg everything is so fast in Win 10, like literally one click insta 0.000001 nanosecond load times, Win 11 is like 3 full seconds to open the same shit

 

[cvaldes]

One thing for sure, I will not upgrade to Windows 12 when it comes out. I will likely wait ~2 years which is fine since Microsoft provides security updates for the past two versions.

When Windows 11 released in October 2021, I stayed on Windows 10 and didn't upgrade to Window 11 23H2 in summer of 2024. Windows 11 24H2 still appears to have stability and reliability issues so it's unlikely I will upgrade to 24H2 anytime in the next six months. There's always a chance that I will simply skip 24H2 and wait for 25H2 to mature (June 2026).

So let's pretend Windows 12 debuts in late 2027. I'd probably consider upgrading to W12 28H2 sometime in 2029. Not interested in eating uncooked Redmond dogchow.

What features would you want to see?

I hope to see Microsoft increase the length of their hexadecimal error codes. So Windows 11 error code 0x80040214 becomes Windows 12 error code 0x0080040214.

 

[_roman_]

Why would you specifically turn OFF tpm?

Note: Check the docs and the security topics first.

In my point of view the TPM is an insecure solution. First things I turn off is secure boot. That is an intel problem. That is an apple problem to have a demand for secure boot.
TPM - I do not need it therefore turn it off. Windows 11 pro demands tpm for certain upgrades / installations in my expierence so far.

I'm also quite sure bitlocker needs tpm. I do not want on a gaming only, insecure, adware and bloated windows 11 pro installation any bitlocker. I'm also not sure if i can access the files when bitlocker may be used.

Bitlocker with & without TPM - What's the Difference? - Microsoft Q&A

What does the TPM do (what are its functions) when you encrypt the system drive with Bitlocker? And what is the difference if I encrypt the system drive without the TPM?

learn.microsoft.com

which leads to https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/hardware-security/tpm/how-windows-uses-the-tpm

I trust my efi-stub kernel with lvm2 + linux unified key setup + btrfs more than windows 11 pro with bitlocker and an online windows account as user login.

TPM + bitlocker makes it more complicated for myself. I also do not trust those game binaries from EA / ubisoft / calypso / epic games store. I'll use steam soon again to finish the last of us.

windows 11 pro is maybe similar to a sony playstation here. 99% only games. 1% benchmark tools.

I also hope or expect the following. When the feature is turned off, I hope and expect windows can not use secure boot and tpm. I mean the hole operating system that includes how files are handled, how passwords are handled and how the boot process is.

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Do not forget about the "fake" swap which windows has. it is called c:\pagefile.sys afaik. That is even worse than ram usage

 

[MCJAxolotl7]

Note: Check the docs and the security topics first.

In my point of view the TPM is an insecure solution. First things I turn off is secure boot. That is an intel problem. That is an apple problem to have a demand for secure boot.
TPM - I do not need it therefore turn it off. Windows 11 pro demands tpm for certain upgrades / installations in my expierence so far.

I'm also quite sure bitlocker needs tpm. I do not want on a gaming only, insecure, adware and bloated windows 11 pro installation any bitlocker. I'm also not sure if i can access the files when bitlocker may be used.

Bitlocker with & without TPM - What's the Difference? - Microsoft Q&A

What does the TPM do (what are its functions) when you encrypt the system drive with Bitlocker? And what is the difference if I encrypt the system drive without the TPM?

learn.microsoft.com

which leads to https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/hardware-security/tpm/how-windows-uses-the-tpm

I trust my efi-stub kernel with lvm2 + linux unified key setup + btrfs more than windows 11 pro with bitlocker and an online windows account as user login.

TPM + bitlocker makes it more complicated for myself. I also do not trust those game binaries from EA / ubisoft / calypso / epic games store. I'll use steam soon again to finish the last of us.

windows 11 pro is maybe similar to a sony playstation here. 99% only games. 1% benchmark tools.

I also hope or expect the following. When the feature is turned off, I hope and expect windows can not use secure boot and tpm. I mean the hole operating system that includes how files are handled, how passwords are handled and how the boot process is.

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Do not forget about the "fake" swap which windows has. it is called c:\pagefile.sys afaik. That is even worse than ram usage

I mean then just don't use bitlocker at all? This is from me, who is a hardcore Linux user.

 

[_roman_]

My response was, why I turn off secure boot and tpm. I refuse to use bitlocker on a unsecure operating system. The demand for an online login from microsoft does not make it more trustworthy. Bitlocker does not make it more trustworthy. The topic is much deeper. I'll not research to the last bit which "fake" claim is true or not anymore. Years ago there were already claims that windows takes screenshots every few seconds and does something with that, saves password someone else as your computer, checks every media and picture files and documents. I will not bother checking what it does or not. It's a black box. I came to the conclusion years ago, as a gaming DRM platform yes. For other personal purposes no. AT work those decisions are made by other people.