Windows is removing customization, and replacing it with simplicity

[xcescxa]

I do not like the direction microsoft is taking, every windows is getting less and less customizable, they force you to have limited sound options, and use dolby headphones, and such. Which is just crapware. Making you use virtualization.
That is why im installing windows vista. There is def a sound difference vs windows 11. You cant hardly even use sound cards anymore, because they were designed for older os. Which older os cant really run anything.

Same with hardware, usb headphones are just complete trash. People say they are good but in reality they are still the same as a 5 dollar skullcandy headset, windows 11 is a complete failure. For my soundcard which is actually the greatest soundcard without the crapware, i had to re install windows 10 to get rid of all the updates just to use it. You shouldnt be forced to get rid of your things just to have a newer os, they should at least have better compatibility. But with new owners of companies that come in and dont know what the hell they are doing, it happens.

Only older windows users would know the struggle. Newer people that have never used a computer think windows 11 is the new standard, possibly the security aspect is, but anything else its just basically using and os that someone created in a day, and they had like 7 years to figure out something new. How about they release an os that doesnt need updates.

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

Windows does not force you to use dolby headphones
Dolby audio is shipped with OEM machines but not a stock Install

they force you to have limited sound options, and use dolby headphone

Futhermore i fail to see how any of this is microsofts fault
Seems to me its just an old soundcard struggling under a new Operating system which is not unheard of

 

[joemama]

Why use a sound card when you can use a USB DAC?

 

[Solaris17]

Only older windows users would know the struggle.

My current install works totally fine with my DAC and headset. No dolby.

 

[R-T-B]

Wow, you didn't like optional bundled Dolby, so you went back to... Vista?

 

[Bones]

I do not like the direction microsoft is taking, every windows is getting less and less customizable, they force you to have limited sound options, and use dolby headphones, and such. Which is just crapware. Making you use virtualization.
That is why im installing windows vista. There is def a sound difference vs windows 11. You cant hardly even use sound cards anymore, because they were designed for older os. Which older os cant really run anything.

Same with hardware, usb headphones are just complete trash. People say they are good but in reality they are still the same as a 5 dollar skullcandy headset, windows 11 is a complete failure. For my soundcard which is actually the greatest soundcard without the crapware, i had to re install windows 10 to get rid of all the updates just to use it. You shouldnt be forced to get rid of your things just to have a newer os, they should at least have better compatibility. But with new owners of companies that come in and dont know what the hell they are doing, it happens.

Only older windows users would know the struggle. Newer people that have never used a computer think windows 11 is the new standard, possibly the security aspect is, but anything else its just basically using and os that someone created in a day, and they had like 7 years to figure out something new. How about they release an os that doesnt need updates.

Hey - Some of us have headphones like those because we're not in a position to buy a set of headphones complete with payments comparable to an actual mortgage.

My Skulls have been good and around for the past 5 years at least - Maybe not top of the line but nothing for me to complain about either, still going strong too.

As for sound cards that's what I've got and get your points about those.

I also don't care for Win 11 or even Win 10 as many here know and I'm running Linux just to keep that shiite out of my machine.

Many like the newer Win versions and that's fine if they want it and don't care about what comes with it too.
I do care and keeping that out if at all possible myself.

 

[Chomiq]

Whatever floats your boat, at least you didn't go back to Windows Me.

 

[Emilychi]

At this point he should just use Linux and Proton/Wine his Stuff.
Less struggle, more compatability

 

[lexluthermiester]

I do not like the direction microsoft is taking, every windows is getting less and less customizable

I hate to tell you this, but this has been going on since Windows 8. Win7 was decently customizable, but it was a pain in the nads to customize with Win8 on..

Why use a sound card when you can use a USB DAC?

Simple, audio customizations and because it's internal to the system, not draped around it on a USB dongle.

 

[qubit]

I get that you don't like the customisation restrictions in W10 and W11, where I agree with you and the audio problems, but going back to Vista? That's way older, has more security holes and is even less supported with apps than W7 now. For example, you can't install Steam on it anymore. I think that's the case with W7 too and the problem will get worse as time goes on.

It's a fact of life that industry support is critical for the proper use of your computer, so you can't let it get too out of date. That means running W10 and soon W11. This is true for me where my still perfectly functional 2700K based PC (it even still games pretty well, just no longer at the top level) will have to be replaced with something current once W10 support is dropped, ie no more security updates.

 

[kiriakost]

I do not like the direction microsoft is taking, every windows is getting less and less customizable

Welcome in my planet ... ( MCSE) .. this is why a year ago I did buy Win 7 Pro (retail box from UK).
My workstation will be under my own control, by my own personal decision and at any cost.

 

[Emilychi]

Welcome in my planet ... ( MCSE) .. this is why a year ago I did buy Win 7 Pro (retail box from UK).
My workstation will be under my own control by my own personal decision at any cost.

Why not use Linux at this point then?
Y´all complain about not beeing able to Control the OS etc.
Infact, just disable Telemetry, block Update Servers etc in 10/11 and vóila.
Same experience as 7, Vista or whatever you want to use.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Vista? Really? I dont get it, there are lots of 3rd party customization apps for Win10. From the few I've seen, there isnt any performance hit with them.

 

[kiriakost]

but going back to Vista? That's way older, has more security holes ...

Clarification .. security holes under Microsoft vocabulary = issues that might arise at the environment of Win-server when this collaborates with a portion of Win-workstation.
Translation: Workstations for home use, they do not need such MS patches.

Why not use Linux at this point then?
Y´all complain about not beeing able to Control the OS etc.
Infact, just disable Telemetry, block Update Servers etc in 10/11 and vóila.
Same experience as 7, Vista or whatever you want to use.

Old dogs ( MCSE ) we paid money so to get in depth OS understanding.
Linux this is a special environment for server solutions, and not for general use.

 

[Emilychi]

Clarification .. security holes under Microsoft vocabulary = issues that might arise at the environment of Win-server when this collaborates with a portion of Win-workstation.
Translation: Workstations for home use, they do not need such MS patches.



Old dogs ( MCSE ) we paid money so to get in depth OS understanding.
Linux this is a special environment for server solutions, and not for general use.

I paid aswell for Windows.
Linux is not a special environment for server solutions.
Its also a daily driver Operating System. I´ve been running Arch since about 3 years.
Theres PPL running Ubuntu, which is very easy.
Thats not an argument. You can even do a VFIO Setup with a Windows VM with Passthroughs on Linux, which is e.g what im doing when i wanna play Anticheat Games etc

 

[mb194dc]

The opp is a tad odd, why go back to Vista ?

There is a good point here though, windows improved consistently from NT 4 to Windows 7, some OS in that period like Windows 2000 were giant leaps ahead.

Since Windows 7, the OS has been going backwards. A worse UI, so many bugs and bloatware.

 

[Emilychi]

The opp is a tad odd, why go back to Vista ?

There is a good point here though, windows improved consistently from NT 4 to Windows 7, some OS in that period like Windows 2000 were giant leaps ahead.

Since Windows 7, the OS has been going backwards. A worse UI, so many bugs and bloatware.

Bigger Project + more that has to be supported = More Bugs.
UI: debatable
But bloatware easy fixable with 0 effort

 

[Vayra86]

"I want my old stuff" sentiment is as old as Windows versions.

Meanwhile Win 10 and eventually 11 is still fully backwards compatible. We're literally talking about one of the highest quality OS'es when you consider the combination of 'ease of use + capability'. Sure, there are alternatives. But good luck finding that combo elsewhere. OSX doesn't have it. Android doesn't have it. And no, Linux DEFINITELY doesn't have it unless you know exactly what's what. Going back to older versions out of support is opening yourself up to major security issues.

If your shit doesn't work on Windows, its a PEBCAK problem. Or it will get fixed. Its really that simple. The user base demand is so varied, MS can never just kill features without creating a shitstorm. Look at the past twenty years for proof.

TL DR don't blame the OS, find the solution because it exists.

 

[Bomby569]

Besides the headphone issue, in general the OP problem seems real and it also gets to me. Giving me less options to customize is stupid, especially when those options already existed in W10.

And this is not happening because it's a new project, it's based on W10, W8, XP, etc... there are still elements of all those versions still around, it wasn't built from the ground up. Going to the trouble of cutting options to customize seems slike an extra step that they could easily avoid, and would save them time to not ship so many bugs.

All over W11 you see little things that you have less options to customize than before.

 

[AusWolf]

I understand your struggle with your soundcard / headphones setup on Windows 10/11, but I can't help but wonder how much you struggle with your AMD Chipset driver (that controls CPU power management features) and your RTX graphics card in Vista.

 

[Emilychi]

Besides the headphone issue, in general the OP problem seems real and it also gets to me. Giving me less options to customize is stupid, especially when those options already existed in W10.

And this is not happening because it's a new project, it's based on W10, W8, XP, etc... there are still elements of all those versions still around, it wasn't built from the ground up. Going to the trouble of cutting options to customize seems slike an extra step that they could easily avoid, and would save them time to not ship so many bugs.

All over W11 you see little things that you have less options to customize than before.

This is factually wrong.
They changed the DWM API, so many devs would need to rewrite theyre stuff.
Besides that, theres even more stuff like ExplorerPatcher, TaskbarXI etc that just werent there on Win10.
90% of the stuff that works on 10 customization-wise

 

[ZipStout]

Wasn't Vista that Windows flavour that no one liked and got buried quickly by a bug-fix called Windows 7?

 

[Bomby569]

This is factually wrong.
They changed the DWM API, so many devs would need to rewrite theyre stuff.
Besides that, theres even more stuff like ExplorerPatcher, TaskbarXI etc that just werent there on Win10.
90% of the stuff that works on 10 customization-wise

explorerpatcher is a tool to revert w11 to w10 made by the community, taskbarxi is a tool to modify the w11 taskbar

 

[ZipStout]

Linux would probably the best solution btw. Most distributions are extremely customisable and the audio system is so much better. Practically everything that you use is documented and explained in a fairly readable manner unlike Windows where everything seems to be hidden and documentation is mostly unhelpful and meant only for gurus. The drawback is of course limited hardware and app support but my guess is that Vista will be even worse in that category.

 

[Emilychi]

explorerpatcher is a tool to revert w11 to w10 made by the community, taskbarxi is a tool to modify the w11 taskbar

ExplorerPatcher isnt that.
It just has the Options to do it.
I use it to change my Alt-Tab Sizes etc.
TaskbarXI is indeed to modify the Taskbar. It only works on Win11 tho.