Wrong fan-setup?! Annoying "clicking" sound on one of the fans?

[Vayra86]

Indeed. It is fugly for sure. Maybe so yes. Looking at the possibilities.



I'vet yet to use usb-c, actually... cannot say if that is something i need, really. 3.0 is nifty and useful tho, so that'd surely be nice.

Ok. After some googling and reading, i see that Define-series is by far the most smoothest one AND the most budget-friendly too.

So. I take it that Design R6 would be the one to actually go for.. Define C costs €15 less, so i can definitely add the extra €15 if it is worth it? And it is also future-friendly too. Minus the usb-c in the front i guess. Cuz it seems that if i want one with usb-c, i must push the budget well over €100...

So. Define C, R6, S1 or any other alternatives?

If you dont mind the size of it, the R6 is one of the worlds best cases IMO. You can build anything in it and it will last

 

[winterwonderland]

If you dont mind the size of it, the R6 is one of the worlds best cases IMO. You can build anything in it and it will last

Gotcha. Interestingly enough, i see people writing that the noise level on the R6 is worse than on the R4... and there seems to be a complaint about the quality of the threads for the motherboard(?) but yeah, R6 seems to be a clear choice for me at this moment, for sure! the thing is that i will be putting the case inside a cabinet that i've got here (due to space issues), and 233mm width is about 30mm smaller than the cabinet, so it'll fit nicely inside there. and those extra hdd spaces is also a good one,. as for height, the R6 is only 30mm taller than my current case, so it's all good.

regarding the PSU... which psu should i go for? the one i have now, doesn't have enough SATA-connections to cover 4xSATA drives... im currently using Corsair VS550 (regular). any recommendations to a new psu since it's making this annoying clicking noise?

 

[Vayra86]

Gotcha. Interestingly enough, i see people writing that the noise level on the R6 is worse than on the R4... and there seems to be a complaint about the quality of the threads for the motherboard(?) but yeah, R6 seems to be a clear choice for me at this moment, for sure! the thing is that i will be putting the case inside a cabinet that i've got here (due to space issues), and 233mm width is about 30mm smaller than the cabinet, so it'll fit nicely inside there. and those extra hdd spaces is also a good one,. as for height, the R6 is only 30mm taller than my current case, so it's all good.

regarding the PSU... which psu should i go for? the one i have now, doesn't have enough SATA-connections to cover 4xSATA drives... im currently using Corsair VS550 (regular). any recommendations to a new psu since it's making this annoying clicking noise?

Its possible, I haven't got an R6 myself, the R4 is still in one piece

Even so, it still strikes the optimal balance between decent airflow and silence. Many silent cases are pretty warm ones, the Define has tons of options to stay cool. The HDD cages are part- or fully removable as well.

PSU wise, and if price is no object, EVGA (G) Supernovas lead the pack for me. Has eco feature which means if you have a healthy bit of wattage headroom, you never hear the fan because its not on. And the platform is fantastic, plus 10 year warranty.

Alternatives would be anything Seasonic, its a safe bet, which isnt the case with most other brands (others have OEMs that differ across the product stack so you never know until you do actual research). That said I haven't been into PSUs for a few years, new models may offer new possibilities.

 

[winterwonderland]

Its possible, I haven't got an R6 myself, the R4 is still in one piece

Even so, it still strikes the optimal balance between decent airflow and silence. Many silent cases are pretty warm ones, the Define has tons of options to stay cool. The HDD cages are part- or fully removable as well.

PSU wise, and if price is no object, EVGA (G) Supernovas lead the pack for me. Has eco feature which means if you have a healthy bit of wattage headroom, you never hear the fan because its not on. And the platform is fantastic, plus 10 year warranty.

Alternatives would be anything Seasonic, its a safe bet, which isnt the case with most other brands (others have OEMs that differ across the product stack so you never know until you do actual research). That said I haven't been into PSUs for a few years, new models may offer new possibilities.

Right. Well, im sure that R6 will clear the issues that i have with my current case... which i dont even know the name of... but yeah, it's just crappp. and i do like the fact that the cooling system is so good on the R6.

I think it'll be safer for me to either start a new thread about a new PSU or something. the EVGA's seem to be a good AND affordable choice, yes. about €100 is my max budget for that tho. though the supernova seems to be a bit off for my budget. the cheapest supernova = 550W..

 

[Ruru]

Are you interested in water cooling (if not now, maybe in future)? S series are optimized for water cooling, I'd get a S2 if I'd be changing my case since I have a CPU/GPU full custom watercooling loop.

 

[winterwonderland]

Are you interested in water cooling (if not now, maybe in future)? S series are optimized for water cooling, I'd get a S2 if I'd be changing my case since I have a CPU/GPU full custom watercooling loop.

S2 is waaay out of my budget, unfortunately. R6 is about 50% of S2's price.

 

[Ruru]

S2 is waaay out of my budget, unfortunately. R6 is about 50% of S2's price.

My bad, didn't even realize that it's so expensive

Thought that it goes about in same price with R6.. Over 150eur here in Finland, no thanks.

 

[winterwonderland]

My bad, didn't even realize that it's so expensive

Thought that it goes about in same price with R6.. Over 150eur here in Finland, no thanks.

Yeah, exactly. hehe. same price here in norway as well...too steep that. R6 will do just fine for me.

Now, off to find a proper PSU...

Its possible, I haven't got an R6 myself, the R4 is still in one piece

Even so, it still strikes the optimal balance between decent airflow and silence. Many silent cases are pretty warm ones, the Define has tons of options to stay cool. The HDD cages are part- or fully removable as well.

PSU wise, and if price is no object, EVGA (G) Supernovas lead the pack for me. Has eco feature which means if you have a healthy bit of wattage headroom, you never hear the fan because its not on. And the platform is fantastic, plus 10 year warranty.

Alternatives would be anything Seasonic, its a safe bet, which isnt the case with most other brands (others have OEMs that differ across the product stack so you never know until you do actual research). That said I haven't been into PSUs for a few years, new models may offer new possibilities.

Just a curiosity... out of Dark Rock Pro 4, NH-D14 and NH-D15, which of them would be more advisable to go for, especially when im going to eventually upgrade my pc so i don't need to buy another cooler? i listed NH-D14 there because it's 50% of the price of NH-D15 and DRP4...

 

[Ruru]

Yeah, exactly. hehe. same price here in norway as well...too steep that. R6 will do just fine for me.

Now, off to find a proper PSU...

Seasonic Focus or Prime series, you can't go wrong.

 

[winterwonderland]

Seasonic Focus or Prime series, you can't go wrong.

Prime's way above my budget (around €100), but a Focus Plus Gold 550W is just at the €100... the EVGA G2 550W is actually priced the same.... Which one would you recommend of those 2? Also, will 550W be enough for me? when do i need 650W? I'm asking because there is a Focus Plus Gold 650W for just €4 more...

 

[Ruru]

Prime's way above my budget (around €100), but a Focus Plus Gold 550W is just at the €100... the EVGA G2 550W is actually priced the same.... Which one would you recommend of those 2? Also, will 550W be enough for me? when do i need 650W? I'm asking because there is a Focus Plus Gold 650W for just €4 more...

I'd say that you won't go wrong with any of those.

Since you have MSI 970 this won't be an issue: https://www.techpowerup.com/249838/seasonic-focus-plus-psus-encounter-gpu-compatibility-issues

 

[winterwonderland]

I'd say that you won't go wrong with any of those.

Since you have MSI 970 this won't be an issue: https://www.techpowerup.com/249838/seasonic-focus-plus-psus-encounter-gpu-compatibility-issues

I might as well choose the 650W then, since it's only €4 more expensive than the 2 other 550W's... and choose my next GPU carefully, though im gonna stick to my current MSi 970 for a little longer... what you reckon?

 

[Ruru]

I might as well choose the 650W then, since it's only €4 more expensive than the 2 other 550W's... and choose my next GPU carefully, though im gonna stick to my current MSi 970 for a little longer... what you reckon?

GPU or PSU? I can't say about PSU since the EVGA G2/G3 series and Seasonic Focuses are both high-quality good PSUs.

 

[winterwonderland]

GPU or PSU? I can't say about PSU since the EVGA G2/G3 series and Seasonic Focuses are both high-quality good PSUs.

Ah, well i was only referring to the link you posted.. whenever i will get a new GPU, i will choose one with care if i'll go for the 650W.

 

[Ruru]

Ah, well i was only referring to the link you posted.. whenever i will get a new GPU, i will choose one with care if i'll go for the 650W.

650W would run a 3-way SLI with 970s, at least you have some headroom.

 

[John Naylor]

Thanks for the tips, J!

here is an overview of my pc and fan-setup:

The pics frankly are a PITA... It would appear ...

Rear = Exhaust
Top = Exhaust
Bottom = Exhaust
Front = I can't tell... Intake ?

1) can you just list what you have in the format above, 2) if they are all the same fan, 3) which ones have air filters and 4) any more unused fan mounts left ?. Typically intake fan locations are filtered. Also isnt that a mATX MoBo ?

If you can manage 1.33 to 1.50 intake fans, then the way to go is

Rear = Exhaust
Top = Exhaust
Bottom = Intake
Front = Intake

So this works

Rear = 1 x Exhaust
Top = 2 x Exhaust
Bottom = 1x Intake
Front = 3 x Intake

If you don't have that many mounts in front that won't work. What's wrong with this picture ?

1 x exhaust top and 1x rear / 2 x intake front and bottom ? Each fan produces X cfm. The intake fans will typically have air filters on the case which will restrict air flow by as much as a third when dirty, so

2 intakes x 2/3 = 1.33 X air in
2 exhausts = 2.00 X air out

So it's understood that the fanc create negative pressure inside the case, and ince the case hasn't imploded, make up air is getting in somewhere.... the most likely place is the rear case grilles and the vented slot covers and what kind aie is back there ? All the hot exhaust from your 200 watt GPU and 550 watt PSU ... not good idea sucking hot air into the case, idea iss to get it out and keep it out.

2 x exhaust top and 1 xrear / 2 x intake front and bottom ?

2 intakes x 2/3 = 1.33 X air in
3 exhausts = 3.00 X air out

Now it's a lot worse.

So, if ya can let go of what we all learned in 8th grade earth science "hot air rises", as anyone who has ever sat under a ceiling fan knows.... not when a fan is blowing in the other direction. The air inside your case is chnaging between 1 and 2 times per second... all of it. But it's really know if the case is under negative pressure and the hot exhaust is being sucked back in. So if you find yaself in a situation where poor case design does not allow for more air in than out, you won't be able to maintain positive pressure. You can easily test this for yaself... I use a $35 garage band fog machine from Amazon to test and when negative pressure exists when you blow the fog behind the case, it fills up with fog so we know air behind the case is getting sucked in. I am going to assume that you have a spare fan mount in front and top.

Two fans in front + one at bottom = 3 intakes x 2/3 = 2.00 X air in
Two fans on top + one at rear = 3 exhausts = 3.00 X air out ... No Good.

Corrective option... don't like not having a rear fan but given the stock cooler and not a big heat sink...

Two fans in front + one at bottom = 3 intakes x 2/3 = 2.00 X air in
Two fans on top + none at rear = 2 exhausts = 2.00 X air out ... Good enough as long as you keep filters clean..

or...

Two fans in front + one at bottom = 3 intakes x 2/3 = 2.00 X air in
One fan at rear = 12 exhausts = 1.00 X air out ... extra air will be forced out rear and top grilles.

If course if you could manage 3 exhausts and 4 intakes, (via case mod on side panel if required), that would allow the rear fan to go back where it belongs. Another option would be to have both top fans blowing in (remeber ceiling fan from above. You don't need to have the same number of close to thr same number of fans, After all those who water cool always have rad fans blowing in "for best performance". See page 3, Window 1 of instructions for Corsair Top of case mounted AIOs.:

https://www.corsair.com/corsairmedia/sys_master/productcontent/49-000175_rev_AB_H100i_QSG_web.pdf

"For the best performance, we recommend mounting the fans as an air-intake into your case".

Great post! Ok. Will put 2x120 front and 1x120 back. Remove the others.

Actually, Katana 4 seems to be a very afforsable heatsink, thesame with Mugen... but which Mugen is the preferred and more quiet one? Mugen 5 Rev B? PCGH edition? Mugen Max? They are all at same price, more or less.

I think imma go for that Fractal Design C... but.. the regular is without glass while the TG is with glass.. is TG more silent or? I assume the regular one with no glass, hmm? Yes, im a sucker for silence too, for sure!

1. Leaving the 1 x 120mm on the bottom will help

2. The Mugen Max Rev B ($37) and Fuma ($46) are the best performance, matching / beating the performance of Noctua and Cryorig $90 flagships... will they fit ? However with that small mATX MoBo.... fit is often an issue issue.

3. The Fractal Design C has (120s only since that's what you have)

Front: 3 x 120mm (1 x pre-installed)
Top: 2 x 120
Bottom: 1 x 120mm fan
Rear: 1 x 120mm fan (1 x pre-installed)

That has the potential for 4 in and 3 out which works as long as you clean filters often and don't let them build up with dust which will reduce air flow

But again, that's an ATX ... much larger case ... for your mATX build. Since your build is currently mATX based, if moving to a new case, I'd suggest th mATX Evolv (Black, Gray and Silver options in Tempered Glass:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811854057