Your Haswell-E max stable OC

[springs113]

I have searched and couldn't find anything of the sort onto the topic at hand, so I wanna start by saying my stat is not validated only because I forgot to do so. CPU-Z screen shot necessary.

Do the following:
OC @what vcore
CPU
Mobo
Mem:Speed as well
HDD/SSD
Liquid cooling or Air? Type?

Mine:4.6 GHZ @1.28 auto-tuned, think I'm going to try and lower vcore to see if auto is being generous.
CPU-Intel 5820k
Mobo-Asus x99 Deluxe
Mem-G.Skill ddr4 4x4 2133-cl15-15-15-35
SSD-Samsung 240gb Evo
Liquid- custom made

I'll edit this post and post my CPU-Z when I get home.

 

[the54thvoid]

I have searched and couldn't find anything of the sort onto the topic at hand, so I wanna start by saying my stat is not validated only because I forgot to do so. CPU-Z screen shot necessary.

Do the following:
OC @what vcore
CPU
Mobo
Mem:Speed as well
HDD/SSD
Liquid cooling or Air? Type?

Mine:4.6 GHZ @1.28 auto-tuned, think I'm going to try and lower vcore to see if auto is being generous.
CPU-Intel 5820k
Mobo-Asus x99 Deluxe
Mem-G.Skill ddr4 4x4 2133-cl15-15-15-35
SSD-Samsung 240gb Evo
Liquid- custom made

I'll edit this post and post my CPU-Z when I get home.

This might be a quiet thread, although my temptation to upgrade my x79 rig is growing again. My main upgrade benefit would be an up to date platform with reduced power consumption. Speed wise, I don't see my aging 3930k (@4.4Ghz) being trumped too much by the Haswell-E's. Especially so considering my use is predominantly gaming.

If I do upgrade though it will be to a 5930. I think the $$$'s for a 5960 would be unreasonable, unless the third Witcher game uses 16 threads!!

 

[springs113]

This might be a quiet thread, although my temptation to upgrade my x79 rig is growing again. My main upgrade benefit would be an up to date platform with reduced power consumption. Speed wise, I don't see my aging 3930k (@4.4Ghz) being trumped too much by the Haswell-E's. Especially so considering my use is predominantly gaming.

If I do upgrade though it will be to a 5930. I think the $$$'s for a 5960 would be unreasonable, unless the third Witcher game uses 16 threads!!

Yea it may be quiet for a while, but I know a lot of members here who don't have all the pieces for their system, so I will definitely give it time. I think I'm going to purchase a 5930k(maybe in another hour or so since I also have a spare Dominator kit and the MSI SLI x99 sitting down...I may just throw that in my 900D.

 

[d1nky]

I cant see the point in the 5930k especially where its priced, after doing some reading the only thing it has on the 5820k is 12 more pcie lanes and about £150 or so more.

Shame they didnt add the cores, cut the clocks and left the cache the same.

 

[springs113]

I cant see the point in the 5930k especially where its priced, after doing some reading the only thing it has on the 5820k is 12 more pcie lanes and about £150 or so more.

Shame they didnt add the cores, cut the clocks and left the cache the same.

True but I stumbled upon a 3rd Hawaii card so I may just flat out need to.

 

[d1nky]

Im tempted to get an X99 build and a few 780s!

If my missus found out that itll be a 2grand build.... id never post again lol

 

[cadaveca]

Aircooled. Still playing with BIOSes to find what suits my memory kits the best, and then I'll post my review of the X99 DELUXE. Temps are not an issue with my retail 5930K chip.

 

[springs113]

Im tempted to get an X99 build and a few 780s!

If my missus found out that itll be a 2grand build.... id never post again lol

same here...shit i haven't even totall'd my build yet

 

[cadaveca]

same here...shit i haven't even totall'd my build yet

Ram prices are scary. But seems to me the fuss about DDR4 timings is nothing BUT fuss. At the same time, perhaps it's the core improvements that have my X99 builds performing so well, or it's something else. Having a 4960X rig next to a 5930K, both with similar speeds, cache and core counts, with 2133 MHz of C15 DDR4 in the 5930K, and 2666 C10 DDR3 with the 4960X, X99 is still faster. Once you OC, there simply isn't any compare at all to be had, the 5930K is significantly faster. If you have X79, and can offload it for a decent amount of cash, I think the investment into X99 is a good one if performance is your primary concern. Can't ignore the power savings (nearly 100W in CPU alone for same clocks), either.

 

[springs113]

Ram prices are scary. But seems to me the fuss about DDR4 timings is nothing BUT fuss. At the same time, perhaps it's the core improvements that have my X99 builds performing so well, or it's something else. Having a 4960X rig next to a 5930K, both with similar speeds, cache and core counts, with 2133 MHz of C15 DDR4 in the 5930K, and 2666 C10 DDR3 with the 4960X, X99 is still faster. Once you OC, there simply isn't any compare at all to be had, the 5930K is significantly faster. If you have X79, and can offload it for a decent amount of cash, I think the investment into X99 is a good one if performance is your primary concern. Can't ignore the power savings (nearly 100W in CPU alone for same clocks), either.

Are you tri-firing or tri-sli'n on that deluxe? I think I'm going to get a 5930k and see, I've got 3 290s.

 

[cadaveca]

Are you tri-firing or tri-sli'n on that deluxe? I think I'm going to get a 5930k and see, I've got 3 290s.

Not too much use of triple card yet, but I have done a TONNE of benchmarking with two so far. Slot arrangement has a big impact on what's really usable on which board, so I'll be spending more time with tri-SLI in the near future, once I get some of my backlog of reviews and the building pile of homework I have dealt with. I want to pick up a 5820K and see just how large of an impact the PCIe configurations have, too. Once I get all my memory kits working at the maximums I'll focus more on GPU configurations.

 

[springs113]

Not too much use of triple card yet, but I have done a TONNE of benchmarking with two so far. Slot arrangement has a big impact on what's really usable on which board, so I'll be spending more time with tri-SLI in the near future, once I get some of my backlog of reviews and the building pile of homework I have dealt with. I want to pick up a 5820K and see just how large of an impact the PCIe configurations have, too. Once I get all my memory kits working at the maximums I'll focus more on GPU configurations.

You killing me with this...where's/when will the deluxe review be up.

 

[cadaveca]

I was pretty close to being ready to write things up, but then got a new BIOS to play with that was supposed to provide increases to performance a bit. But it's more Turbo profiling tweaks, which could be done manually anyway. Then I had to test with several memory kits, since for once, it seems that ASUS has a feature that no other brand does that really makes a difference...the OC socket. With the rumors about it affecting Intel's warranty and such, I had to get clear answers before posting anything, since that's a critical thing for some people. Then there's homework, school, physio from my car accident, travel by bus now that the rental we had via insurance expired, and we don't have any wheels right now (van was written off, insurance doesn't cover anything more than the loan that was left + $50, not enough to buy another), plus added testing...UGH.

I'd love to just get all this done and not have to worry about it myself, believe me. Yet I cannot rush things out and make careless mistakes, and my recent accident highlights this even more so.

 

[15th Warlock]

Great job Dave! Looking forward to your review!

This time around I'll wait for DDR4 prices to stabilize, the ROG RVE Black edition to become available, and the 5970X with higher clocks or perhaps Broadwell-E to be released, ATM Haswell-E is enticing, but not worth the price of admission IMHO

Kudos to all Haswell-E owners out there, I'm green with jealousy, good luck with your OCing endeavours!

 

[buildzoid]

If people post consistent 4.4Ghz+ I'm going to upgrade because no amount of self assurance can stop me from not seeing that my 3960X is no longer 5Ghz capable at a reasonable voltage. Though it can still run my 4.5Ghz OC from when I bought it on the same voltage so I'm not sure that it degraded or if I'm just pushing the ram and IMC too far. Either way I really want to get a 6 core that is good a Cinebench and SuperPi and 3D benchmarks which my 3960X simply isn't. I'm just having a hard time choosing a board. I really like the EVGA X99 boards but I've read horror stories about EVGA's BIOSes.

 

[GhostRyder]

Aircooled. Still playing with BIOSes to find what suits my memory kits the best, and then I'll post my review of the X99 DELUXE. Temps are not an issue with my retail 5930K chip.

Very nice, I'll have to test mine at items limits on Monday once I get it. I plan on first shooting for 4.5 stable then pushing it by 100mhz until voltages get to ridiculous.

5930k with an MSi Gaming 9 board btw.

Oh anyone here the story about the 5960X burning on a motherboard? I have now heard 2 reports of this.

 

[springs113]

Very nice, I'll have to test mine at items limits on Monday once I get it. I plan on first shooting for 4.5 stable then pushing it by 100mhz until voltages get to ridiculous.

5930k with an MSi Gaming 9 board btw.

Oh anyone here the story about the 5960X burning on a motherboard? I have now heard 2 reports of this.

Wow I wonder what were the volts of those cases. Ghost Since I have a 3rd 290 on the way I am now thinking of getting that 5930k even more, I gotta go reread the manual and see how the slots are aligned in tri fire cause now those swiftech lock n seals that I sent back.

I was pretty close to being ready to write things up, but then got a new BIOS to play with that was supposed to provide increases to performance a bit. But it's more Turbo profiling tweaks, which could be done manually anyway. Then I had to test with several memory kits, since for once, it seems that ASUS has a feature that no other brand does that really makes a difference...the OC socket. With the rumors about it affecting Intel's warranty and such, I had to get clear answers before posting anything, since that's a critical thing for some people. Then there's homework, school, physio from my car accident, travel by bus now that the rental we had via insurance expired, and we don't have any wheels right now (van was written off, insurance doesn't cover anything more than the loan that was left + $50, not enough to buy another), plus added testing...UGH.

I'd love to just get all this done and not have to worry about it myself, believe me. Yet I cannot rush things out and make careless mistakes, and my recent accident highlights this even more so.

I know how it goes, but one thing about the rental...isn't the other party at fault shouldn't their insurance cover you until...(plus i hope you are suing). Don't know much about your laws and regulations but something seems off. I'm not paying for that rental I have, it sucks I don't have my car(brand new by the way) but my attorney's got it covered. It is hard getting around without a vehicle in my neck of the woods as there really no public transportation. Back in NY I got hit and they total the vehicle so I know what it is like cabbing, footing and bus'ing it everyday from home school and work. It's definitely not easy and once you throw kids into the mix all hell breaks loose. I don't wanna get into too much here though so I'll leave it where it's at for another day Dave, just hoping you get well soon and you're still doing a great job but the suspense is killing us all lol.

What's your thought on the setup of the board w/o getting into any details about revealing too much. O and the feature that you're talking about.

 

[cadaveca]

I had the choice of continuing to pay a loan for a vehicle that I didn't have, or take payment from my insurance for the vehicle's current value (was a decent offer). The at fault party WAS paying for the rental, and yeah, technically they should still be paying, but because I accepted the offer from my insurance (already had notice form the government here that our vehicle's VIN was no longer legal on the road), it's normal for them to refuse to continue to pay, since they expect you to use the $$$ from payout to get a new one. Of course, my situation is slightly unique in that regard, so I will deal with the lost use of a vehicle and the problems that it caused at a later date. I mean, simply, I've got several reviews that have been delayed because of this accident, and should that affect me, in an accident that I had ZERO fault in, there's something to be done there. If I have to take it all the way to court to have those things dealt with, I will. I really needed the money that would have gone to the monthly payment to pay for my kid's school fees plus my own, and the accident already cost me money that forced me to take that offer. It's not going to be much work for a lawyer to deal with this case if it goes that far. IT all sucks, but I'm not really concerned about getting money out of this accident. What I do want is for it to be like it never happened, and the courts will take care of that for sure.


Board is great. Nothing else I have can match the clocks it gives, and if other reviews haven't already said this, I will be sure to. The OC socket has more pins in it that allows for finer voltage control and greater clock stability on BCLK, CPU, cache, and memory, and we're talking like MANY MANY pins in 6 different areas of the chip. That's not to say that other boards are poor, but they do not compare when it comes to OC to the limit. I'm going to have to do a special review for OC on this platform, but I really want to get several more chips and be able to give more info about EXACTLY what it offers, in many examples, before going that far. I'll have to get rid of some hardware to fund those CPUs first though, likely, or maybe I can get ASUS to sponsor me some, but I have too much other stuff to do review-wise before that can happen. Next 6-8 weeks will have one-two reviews from me, both boards, and memory, depending on what the other front page staff has cooking, I suppose.

 

[bubbleawsome]

I bet you could get some boards from the community. You shouldn't have to bother with that just to do your job. Interesting that the oc socket actually helps though.

 

[cadaveca]

I bet you could get some boards from the community. You shouldn't have to bother with that just to do your job. Interesting that the oc socket actually helps though.

I have plenty of motherboards; it is CPUs that I would need. And time. I have an added two hours of travel every day as it is, back and forth to school, since I have to take the bus rather then having a vehicle to get me there, so I have to stop accepting more review work stuff until I get all the stuff I have on-hand dealt with.

 

[natr0n]

Very nice, I'll have to test mine at items limits on Monday once I get it. I plan on first shooting for 4.5 stable then pushing it by 100mhz until voltages get to ridiculous.

5930k with an MSi Gaming 9 board btw.

Oh anyone here the story about the 5960X burning on a motherboard? I have now heard 2 reports of this.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=msi_x99_fail&num=1

http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-x99-motherboard-goes-up-in-smoke-for-reasons-unknown_150008

 

[cadaveca]

Oh look, I have retail CPU and not ES CPU to test boards. I have had NO problems. Go figure...

Or maybe me mentioning that use of ES CPUs in reviews was a bad idea is simply now well qualified. ROFL.

As far as I have seen so far, TPU is the ONLY site with retail sample used in reviews on launch day. I very specifically ask for RETAIL CPUs to test with, because I want to show what the end users gets, not what those working inside the industry get, but this just gives more weight to my opinion about this, IMHO. We should NOT see reviews with ES parts. Phoronix specifically states that they have retail board and ES CPU, Legit Reviews, shows ES CPU... and a board that is either ES or has bits removed from it. That said, stuff does fail from time to time, as being a reviewer, usually most of this stuff goes in the background, not the foreground when end readers see it. Makes me wonder why there's articles posted about it...



Now, if it was an end user with a problem, I'd be concerned a bit. But then, warranty covers this sort of stuff. Oh wait, no warranty on ES parts...

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

I had the choice of continuing to pay a loan for a vehicle that I didn't have, or take payment from my insurance for the vehicle's current value (was a decent offer). The at fault party WAS paying for the rental, and yeah, technically they should still be paying, but because I accepted the offer from my insurance (already had notice form the government here that our vehicle's VIN was no longer legal on the road), it's normal for them to refuse to continue to pay, since they expect you to use the $$$ from payout to get a new one. Of course, my situation is slightly unique in that regard, so I will deal with the lost use of a vehicle and the problems that it caused at a later date. I mean, simply, I've got several reviews that have been delayed because of this accident, and should that affect me, in an accident that I had ZERO fault in, there's something to be done there. If I have to take it all the way to court to have those things dealt with, I will. I really needed the money that would have gone to the monthly payment to pay for my kid's school fees plus my own, and the accident already cost me money that forced me to take that offer. It's not going to be much work for a lawyer to deal with this case if it goes that far. IT all sucks, but I'm not really concerned about getting money out of this accident. What I do want is for it to be like it never happened, and the courts will take care of that for sure.


Board is great. Nothing else I have can match the clocks it gives, and if other reviews haven't already said this, I will be sure to. The OC socket has more pins in it that allows for finer voltage control and greater clock stability on BCLK, CPU, cache, and memory, and we're talking like MANY MANY pins in 6 different areas of the chip. That's not to say that other boards are poor, but they do not compare when it comes to OC to the limit. I'm going to have to do a special review for OC on this platform, but I really want to get several more chips and be able to give more info about EXACTLY what it offers, in many examples, before going that far. I'll have to get rid of some hardware to fund those CPUs first though, likely, or maybe I can get ASUS to sponsor me some, but I have too much other stuff to do review-wise before that can happen. Next 6-8 weeks will have one-two reviews from me, both boards, and memory, depending on what the other front page staff has cooking, I suppose.

I understand that there are more pins, but I'm interested in how exactly this influences anything. Are there generally unused pads on the CPU, which these OC pins connect to?

In general, I don't get how ASUS can get anything from added pins, unless they connect to the CPU in some meaningful way. As yet, I haven't seen how this is accomplished, and the promotional material is less than useful. Is there any way you could shed some light on this quickly, without the need for a full review?


Please excuse the forwardness of the question, but curiosity has grabbed me here. I understand you've got far more on your plate, but I'd appreciate quantification rather than marketing mumbo-jumbo.

 

[buildzoid]

I understand that there are more pins, but I'm interested in how exactly this influences anything. Are there generally unused pads on the CPU, which these OC pins connect to?

In general, I don't get how ASUS can get anything from added pins, unless they connect to the CPU in some meaningful way. As yet, I haven't seen how this is accomplished, and the promotional material is less than useful. Is there any way you could shed some light on this quickly, without the need for a full review?


Please excuse the forwardness of the question, but curiosity has grabbed me here. I understand you've got far more on your plate, but I'd appreciate quantification rather than marketing mumbo-jumbo.

There is a bunch of unused pads that intel has on the CPU for testing purposes. Asus figured out what said pads do and added pins to their sockets to get access to things that the pads control.

 

[cadaveca]

I understand that there are more pins, but I'm interested in how exactly this influences anything. Are there generally unused pads on the CPU, which these OC pins connect to?

In general, I don't get how ASUS can get anything from added pins, unless they connect to the CPU in some meaningful way. As yet, I haven't seen how this is accomplished, and the promotional material is less than useful. Is there any way you could shed some light on this quickly, without the need for a full review?


Please excuse the forwardness of the question, but curiosity has grabbed me here. I understand you've got far more on your plate, but I'd appreciate quantification rather than marketing mumbo-jumbo.

It's 48 added pins. The CPU has these pins for "diagnostic purposes" for various sections of the CPU, and ASUS manipulated those interfaces.

Marketing image comparing socket pins:

I know that the CPU has lands for these pins, and because of that, those lands are there for a reason. Since the number of lands is so high, there can't just be some "mumbo-jumbo" here, and honestly I was as skeptical as you were at first. But having played with many boards now, there is a marked difference in boards with this socket, and specifically in CPU speed, cache speed, BCLK ability, and memory speeds, especially when you combine all of them together, compared to other boards. But I still remain cautious, and this is why I want more CPUs to test with. I honestly don't care WHAT they do specifically myself, I'm concerned about the RESULTS, and those I do have, albeit with a very limited number of CPUs (ie, 2). It is more than possible some sort of BIOS-level stuff is at play, but the huge gap in everything that I have experienced says to me that simply BIOS-level tweaking is not the sole cause for this huge gap in clocking ability between boards with either socket design.

I do not think ASUS would readily give out the info of what they did, as this is a grand thing if they really have something no other board does. Maybe understanding my delay in publishing a review is easier with that said.