btarunrInterconnect is fast enough. What you're basically getting at is "build a 12-lane highway and four 100,000+ square foot supermarkets for a town with 5000 pop."

TroubledIf that is the way you see it then yes. There is no such thing as "Fast Enough" when it comes to computers. Computers are ever-expanding in speed, and complexity. For a time, the Pentium processor was "Fast enough" now you wouldn't wish it on your enemy. Using your own metaphor....Yes it would seem a little excessive...but those 5000 people will have children, then their children will have children and the population expands. eventually, that 12 lane highway and the 4 supermarkets will not be enough.

JizzlerAbove all, I just hope that AMD works on their south bridge performance, not just the feature-list.

btarunrThe point here is there's no use adding cache and broadening system interface for six K10 cores. A living example of this is AMD claiming that moving from 2 MB to 6 MB L3 cache size contributed to a mere 5% performance advantage.

mdm-adph[citation needed]

I could've swore it's a bit more than that -- the Phenom II's make the first Phenom's look downright slow, from everything I've seen.

swaayeI think gamers will be much better off with a Core i5/i7 than this chip. You guys want really fast CPU cores and at most 4 of them probably. Phenom II cores can't hold a candle to Nehalem-based stuff and games barely care about >2 cores.

TheGuruStudbut I'd rather hold a candle to my hand than touch a nehalem :laugh: :p

swaayeI think gamers will be much better off with a Core i5/i7 than this chip. You guys want really fast CPU cores and at most 4 of them probably. Phenom II cores can't hold a candle to Nehalem-based stuff and games barely care about >2 cores.

TheLaughingManI am confused, doesn't the AMD Phenom II's do slightly better in gaming tham the Nehalem....wait it does.

For my gaming friends with i7. Great processor. I got a 955BE on sale (at the time) for $225.00. I spent the ~$100 I save not going i7 on new games to play.

Wile EYour loss then.

TheGuruStudIt's a joke on their power consumption.

But I flat out will never purchase an intel product b/c of their business practices and ethics (none). I'm stuck with their shit like embedded flash chips and such, but I buy all of those products used.

Wile EThey just have the ethics and practices than any other major corporation. AMD is no different.

TheGuruStudRiiiight. AMD is cheating right and left, economically enslaving people (chinese style), strong arming anyone against them and bribing some media sources.

Yeah, totally, AMD does exactly that.

I don't shop at walmart, etc. I'm not adhering to the "well everyone else does it" bullshit. It doesn't make it acceptable nor okay. That's being complicit and is morally wrong (to me).

Wile EExcept that AMD does attempt those things when possible, and most certainly would if they had the same market share as Intel. Sorry, but all corporations are the same. They just want your money.

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TheGuruStudAnd those are ifs, not real life. Until AMD does it, saying they will is not a valid defense. If they ever become like that, then I won't buy their shit either.

I never said they weren't in it for the money. I'm saying I'm not paying some assholes that care about nothing else except that dollar. They (intel, etc) would trample over your body (dead or alive) to get that dollar. That's not someone I want to give my money to.

TheGuruStud...I'm not paying some assholes that care about nothing else except that dollar. They (intel, etc) would trample over your body (dead or alive) to get that dollar...

Wile ENo, not really. Neither are better. Most games are GPU limited, so the cpu means little.

But the i7 spanks PII in everything else. Guess it depends on what's important to you. Gaming, or everything else. lol.

TroubledWhen it comes down to it...you are not going to notice a difference in word processing, web surfing, or anything else because the software won't push the hardware enough. So...Gaming, or Everything else...i still choose a Phenom II. My wallet isnt deep enough for a Core i7...

Wile EHmmm, what about encoding home movies, or photoshopping large groups of pictures, or any of the other myriad of things computers are used for?

And fair enough, If you can't afford i7, you can't afford it. And if gaming is all you care about, then yeah, the majority of your money is best spent on your video card.

TroubledWhat is kinda funny is i do all of that stuff with ease too...and i dont have a Core i7. Go figure. You make it sound like you need a Core i7 to do all of the many things that a computer can do....when you don't really. I didnt really spend all that much on my video cards either. The Radeon 4670 isn't considered top of the line...but good enough to play the games that i play...Crysis, Far Cry 2, Need For Speed, and all the many other games that i play...along with the Zipping and Unzipping of files, dvd encoding and the many other things I do.