Monday, September 14th 2009
First Radeon HD 5870 Performance Figures Surface
Here are some of the first performance figures of AMD's upcoming Radeon HD 5870 published by a media source. Czech Gamer posted performance numbers of the card compared to current heavyweights including Radeon HD 4870 X2, Radeon HD 4890, and GeForce GTX 285. Having not entered an NDA with AMD, the source was liberal with its performance projections citing AMD's internal testing that include the following, apart from the two graphs below:
Sources:
Czech Gamer, ChipHell
- Radeon HD 5870 is anywhere between 5~155 percent faster than GeForce GTX 285. That's a huge range, and leaves a lot of room for uncertainty.
- When compared to GeForce GTX 295, its performance ranges between -25 percent (25% slower) to 95 percent (almost 2x faster), another broad range.
- When two HD 5870 cards are set up in CrossFire, the resulting setup is -5 percent (5% slower) to 90 percent faster than GeForce GTX 295. Strangely, the range maximum is lesser than that on the single card.
- When three of these cards are setup in 3-way CrossFireX, the resulting setup is 10~160 percent faster than a GeForce GTX 295.
- The Radeon HD 5850 on the other hand, can be -25 percent (25% slower) to 120 percent faster than GeForce GTX 285.
265 Comments on First Radeon HD 5870 Performance Figures Surface
Physx is an Nvidia trademark, and in case you havent noticed it is dying and will be dead and gone when DX11 games start to come out. There where very few titles that used physx and it was a non starter from the get go, the score from an nvidia card running physx is not comparable to a ATI card of roughly the same perf cause the phyics tests in vantage were supposed to be done by the cpu and were not specifically for the Physx API. So saying a Nvidia card that got 40% more than a comparable ATI card in vantage is not representative of real life benchmarks and games, it was a bug that got fixed, end of. Wrong again, development my ass, what about the .Exe names that could be changed to give ATI users the same performance that nvidia users were getting in these so called " optimised for Nvidia" games, its marketing BS and it is wrong for game devs to bend over for a quick buck from Nvidia when the games shouldnt run any worse on ATI hardware :slap:
Devs will make games that work with the majority everytime.
If ATI take the lead then dev will make things work better with ATI.
Edit: see my below post.
Just watch XS and B3D. Stuff is just popping up left and right on those two forums. There will be nothing left to reveal by the time the NDA is up.
However, DX11 and PhysX dying has nothing to do with Vantage, a DX10 benchmark. Vantage was not just a benchmark to give raw graphical performance, it was a benchmark to give overall computer performance. The PhysX API was included, and meant to be used. Futuremark even allowed it entirely using dedicated PhysX cards. All the world records were set with Ageia cards in the machines, it was perfectly acceptable.
The PhysX tests in Vantage were meant to test PhysX performance, it didn't matter where it was calculated at, until nVidia started doing it on the GPUs, and the ATi fans started freaking out. Show me this, because I doubt it ever happened. What you are saying isn't possible. Changing the EXEs improves performance for ATi for several reasons, but not the reason you are stating. Usually it is done to invoke optimizations from and older game for a new game, in the drivers that were applied by ATi. It has noething to do with the game devs at all. Changing the name of the EXE fools outside programs(drivers), but it doesn't change the what the program runs itself. The in game optimizations won't be change if you rename the EXE.
But I fear we are going way off topic here, so I'll end it here. I think if you want to discuss it further, a dedicated topic would be best.
EDIT: I am so slow.
Sorry guys
Fixed in this post
tweakimg.net/g/forum/templates/tweakers/html/showimage.html?http%3A//i31.tinypic.com/oho6qa.png
tweakimg.net/g/forum/templates/tweakers/html/showimage.html?http%3A//i28.tinypic.com/2gt16v5.png
tweakimg.net/g/forum/templates/tweakers/html/showimage.html?http%3A//i32.tinypic.com/wj9ru9.png
It's a mechanism by which Nvidia could reap higher profits at absolutely zero risk, even if they're found out. Therefore, in the business world, trust me -- it's being done.
the 295 has two gpus! the 5870 one gpu.
And I think the fact that they could make millions is all the "preponderance" I (and anyone else) need.
Some games aren't optimized for ATI cards because game developers in general aren't going to optimize the games unless they are paid to do so. . . . because they can make money, its all about the money, its the money game as usual.
and certain games are faster after being renamed because ATI does optimizations every now and then for games by having the drivers hook onto the games filename, but if the game has no fixes or whatnot the game will run without them and might run like crap, so you rename the exe to a filename thats the drivers can recognize and hook to and then the game loads with those optimizations, nvidia tries to avoid this by saying here take this money and optimize this game for our cards, . . . . . done, . . . . . and ATI does the same thing sometimes.
Theres nothing evil about it, thats ATI's fault for not playing the game.
I can say this and I will be one of the first in line to get me a HD5870 in two weeks no matter what.
But that's all I'm going to bother saying -- it's not worth it.
Another reason why they've got nothing to lose is that they've got people like you, ready to defend anything they do. :laugh:
Being in a discussion doesn't make me a troll, no matter how much your disagree with my opinions. Hardly evidence to support your claims. Come on, at least try. Again, when you can back up your claims, then we'll talk. Show me at least a little hard evidence, and not just conspiracy BS. Thank you. There is really no use stating logic though, mdm-adph and others like him don't care. They believe nVidia is evil, with no evidence of any wrong doing, and nothing you can say will change that. mdm-adph, is the first person to bash nVidia as much as possible, and then call everyone else that disagrees with him a fanboy because they don't agree that ATi is god's gift to video card.
You say negative things about ATi, and your an instant nVidia fanboy to mdm-adph. Doesn't matter that you say something postive in the same post, or even that you say negative things about nVidia also...
Thank you.
Been holding off buying a 4870 1GB or 4890 for a bit here, glad time is closing in.