Sweet now make a laptop with USB 3 & SATA 6 and has a i7, I'll buy it all

I wonder what this is going to the eSATA interface. Will they make an eSATA 2.0? Nevertheless, i wish USB3.0 would hit sooner rather than later.

Hooray!

Finally - Somebody is getting with the swing of things.

Good on 'ya Buffalo

I get that the development of USB 3.0 was to compete with eSATA. however mice/keyboards won't really benefit when they are already @ 1ms response times. So 3.0 will only benefit faster external drives and perhaps external burners?

lemodeI get that the development of USB 3.0 was to compete with eSATA. however mice/keyboards won't really benefit when they are already @ 1ms response times. So 3.0 will only benefit faster external drives and perhaps external burners?

and lets not forget USB based DAW equipment where as little latency as possible is key. These devices tend to have more than 1ms response times over USB 2.0, so hopefully this will be improved with 3.0. :toast:

Breathlessand lets not forget USB based DAW equipment where as little latency as possible is key. These devices tend to have more than 1ms response times over USB 2.0, so hopefully this will be improved with 3.0. :toast:

Actually that’s a good call. Hopefully the music industry hardware manufactures take full advantage of USB 3.0!

CrAsHnBuRnXpI wonder what this is going to the eSATA interface. Will they make an eSATA 2.0? Nevertheless, i wish USB3.0 would hit sooner rather than later.

ofc they will, based on the SATA-6Gb specs


USB 3.0 has more excitement for me, as its going to be more mainstream - at last, i wont be stuck with crap 30MB/s speeds when i plug my externals in to OEM machines...

(then again, we all better build a bunker to survive teh onslaught of new ipods with USB3.0 support.... FASTER THAN EVER BEFORE!)

lemodeI get that the development of USB 3.0 was to compete with eSATA. however mice/keyboards won't really benefit when they are already @ 1ms response times. So 3.0 will only benefit faster external drives and perhaps external burners?

Well I think you actually have it all wrong to begin with. USB in general and USB3 have nothing to do with COMPETING with any other protocol (although there WAS an obvious war of pride with firewire)

Its all about creating a "UNIVERSAL SERIAL BUS" so that we don't have to have 15 different types of cables & connections, and so that the tech industry can develop on a wide scale for one simple multi-platform connection system without having to continuously fall back on far more expensive proprietary interface systems.

A bus that serves ALL needs without any regard as to weather it is storage, or human interface, or printing or machining, and USB 3 is just the next evolution of that attempt at universal communication that pays a little more attention to more recent, high Data rate devices.

The fact that these new advances also happen to provide better avenues for external storage are almost coincidental (although granted, very convenient).

These data rates are essential for a number of other advanced applications such as seriously large , high resolution industrial printing, HD video peripherals, heck even High-Def CNC machining or 3D Printing, and a thousand other uses.

And that's before we even begin to look at medical applications.

Computers do a HELL OF A LOT MORE in this world than burn movies & play world of warcraft, and its those thousands of other absurdly more important applications that advances like USB3 are intended to help advance.

If they Help Razor get a mouse up to 4,096,000Dpi, or Creative make a 44 Channel external sound card, or yes even replace an external storage interface like eSata, then that's just a bonus.

lemode... however mice/keyboards won't really benefit when they are already @ 1ms response times...

Sorry To shoot you down again, but you also are VERY wrong here as well, the common polling rate for a USB mouse is approx 125Hz - And that boils down to an 8Ms input lag (Dont sound like much but that's 700% worse than 1ms), and this will be true for just about all Windows based PC's and Even worse for many other non windows PC's.

AFAIK this is the same for a USB Keyboard, and significantly worse for a PS2 Mouse / Kbd.

You can get a tool to check your own lag here : www.brothersoft.com/mouse-rate-checker-175872.html

And a tool to change this here : www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/System-Tweak/USB-Mouserate-switcher.shtml

BUT IT S NOT RECOMMENDED - As it will also generate a schyteload more bus traffic and uses more CPU time as most cheap-ass onboard USB chips are CPU-supported.

EDIT : And Sorry Dude, I'm not picking on YOU specifically , I've just seen many similar posts popping up allover the place and somebody has to set the record straight.

mine goes at an average of 500Hz, apparently with a low of 19hz


i'm not entirely sure that program is accurate.

nice one :)

Musselsmine goes at an average of 500Hz, apparently with a low of 19hz

i'm not entirely sure that program is accurate.

It is quite incredibly accurate.

Only the highest value really counts (Your peak IS your poll rate) - the low values are just a side effect of slow movement or lack of movement (When there is no motion to mention, a mouse stops mentioning it - as every poll sent back from the mouse does actually use processor time).

The sensor only reports IF it sees a difference, and at high enough poll rate, if you move slow enough it may see no difference at all for 3 or 4 effective polls in a row (Remember yer mouse is polling at 500 effective polls / second ) and hence appear to be responding slower :)

Some high end mice do replace the native drivers with newer, faster ones, and this can help in mouse response/resolution.

Other ppl include this patch in other forms of system "all-in-one"' optimizer packs, but on an older single-core system this can actually be very harmful to your performance, as your processor still has to deal with all of these responses from the mouse, and the faster they come the more work to do.

alright, well my high end gaming mouse that i have zero issues with, has a 500Hz poll rate - and thats on the logitech drivers

yay for logitech :P


tested with a cheap, antique MS mouse - 125Hz


seems like logitech (at least on the high end mice) quadruple the refresh rate.

Mussels...seems like logitech (at least on the high end mice) quadruple the refresh rate.

And the main reason there is to be able to use the Higher DPI :) - as the sensor would be generating data faster than the poll cycle is looking for it.

Fun test : Get an old PC single core if you can - open task manager - look at CPU load graph and spazz your mouse allover the place... I've seen as much as 20% load on older pentiums, depending on how crap the MoBo controller / mouse drivers where...

But on a newer quad, for example, its totally insignificant - there's PLENTY of spare MHz for the mouse data to completely disappear in ...

Musselsalright, well my high end gaming mouse that i have zero issues with, has a 500Hz poll rate - and thats on the logitech drivers

yay for logitech :P


tested with a cheap, antique MS mouse - 125Hz


seems like logitech (at least on the high end mice) quadruple the refresh rate.

I have a 1000Mhz poll rate :cool::cool:

FreedomEclipseI have a 1000Mhz poll rate :cool::cool:

what mouse?


also, thread derailment >.<

Logitech G7

FreedomEclipseLogitech G7

mines the early green and silver one, yours black?



Be fun when the first USB3.0 mice come out and we start comparing :D

Musselsmines the early green and silver one, yours black?



Be fun when the first USB3.0 mice come out and we start comparing :D

sorry, I dunno why i said G7 for a second there lol

I meant 'G9' but I do have a G7 the same as yours.

BazookaJoeWell I think you actually have it all wrong to begin with. USB in general and USB3 have nothing to do with COMPETING with any other protocol (although there WAS an obvious war of pride with firewire)

Its all about creating a "UNIVERSAL SERIAL BUS" so that we don't have to have 15 different types of cables & connections, and so that the tech industry can develop on a wide scale for one simple multi-platform connection system without having to continuously fall back on far more expensive proprietary interface systems.

A bus that serves ALL needs without any regard as to weather it is storage, or human interface, or printing or machining, and USB 3 is just the next evolution of that attempt at universal communication that pays a little more attention to more recent, high Data rate devices.

The fact that these new advances also happen to provide better avenues for external storage are almost coincidental (although granted, very convenient).

These data rates are essential for a number of other advanced applications such as seriously large , high resolution industrial printing, HD video peripherals, heck even High-Def CNC machining or 3D Printing, and a thousand other uses.

And that's before we even begin to look at medical applications.

Computers do a HELL OF A LOT MORE in this world than burn movies & play world of warcraft, and its those thousands of other absurdly more important applications that advances like USB3 are intended to help advance.

If they Help Razor get a mouse up to 4,096,000Dpi, or Creative make a 44 Channel external sound card, or yes even replace an external storage interface like eSata, then that's just a bonus.

You are absolutely correct. And i hope it takes out the rest of the peripherals because im tired of seeing old Firewire on my mobo and constantly disabling it in the Bios. Im tired of trying to find SATA cables for eSATA ports when i only get a double of USB2.0 speed because the controllers in the external HD enclosures cant handle faster speeds. It means i can get an external NAS type enclosure so i can have all my storage on one bus and not worry about speed problems or finding a ridiculously priced eSATA storage unit.

BazookaJoeWell I think you actually have it all wrong to begin with. USB in general and USB3 have nothing to do with COMPETING with any other protocol (although there WAS an obvious war of pride with firewire)

Its all about creating a "UNIVERSAL SERIAL BUS" so that we don't have to have 15 different types of cables & connections, and so that the tech industry can develop on a wide scale for one simple multi-platform connection system without having to continuously fall back on far more expensive proprietary interface systems.

A bus that serves ALL needs without any regard as to weather it is storage, or human interface, or printing or machining, and USB 3 is just the next evolution of that attempt at universal communication that pays a little more attention to more recent, high Data rate devices.

The fact that these new advances also happen to provide better avenues for external storage are almost coincidental (although granted, very convenient).

These data rates are essential for a number of other advanced applications such as seriously large , high resolution industrial printing, HD video peripherals, heck even High-Def CNC machining or 3D Printing, and a thousand other uses.

And that's before we even begin to look at medical applications.

Computers do a HELL OF A LOT MORE in this world than burn movies & play world of warcraft, and its those thousands of other absurdly more important applications that advances like USB3 are intended to help advance.

If they Help Razor get a mouse up to 4,096,000Dpi, or Creative make a 44 Channel external sound card, or yes even replace an external storage interface like eSata, then that's just a bonus.

Your whole reason for telling me I am wrong wrong wrong is the evolution of USB. Technology advances. New things gradually come from advancements. That’s the way technology rolls. You think the average consumer will notice anything you stated and are trying to argue? Nope. The average person will simply note "oh this is faster than my old computer".

Lol because having USB3.0 means your computer is faster :roll:

Is that 125mb/s both ways or total? If its total thats not better than eSATA.

PP MguireLol because having USB3.0 means your computer is faster :roll:

Yes because I clearly stated that USB 3.0 would make your computer fast right? L2R.

Learn to take a joke. Im not all for cereals like that guy up there.