Tuesday, January 12th 2010

AMD Readies Radeon HD 5830, Seals Upper-Mainstream Gaps

Having reclaimed the positions of having the fastest graphics cards and the most powerful GPU with the DirectX 11 compliant Radeon HD 5000 series, AMD is looking to make DirectX 11 accessible to all market segments. Later this month, AMD is expected to announce its lower-mainstream Radeon HD 5600 products, but with it, also an addition to the Radeon HD 5800 series: the Radeon HD 5830. This product is expected to fill the gap between Radeon HD 5770 and Radeon HD 5850.

The Radeon HD 5770 is priced in the sub-$200 range, while the HD 5850 at around $300. This gap is currently held by the previous-generation Radeon HD 4890, which faces competition from some NVIDIA GeForce GTX 200 series products. It is expected that the Radeon HD 5830 will be about as powerful as a Radeon HD 4890 in current applications, while being priced slightly lower, and a little more competitive owing to its feature set and future-proofing. The new product could be announced on the 25th Jan. No additional details or specifications are known at this point.

Source: Nordic Hardware
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77 Comments on AMD Readies Radeon HD 5830, Seals Upper-Mainstream Gaps

#1
Bo_Fox
by: mastrdrver
Depending on how good Google is, the 5830 is suppose to use the 5850 boards. Would I be right in to assume that if it used a 5770 board that it couldn't have more than a 128 bit bus?

ATI-forum.de
Google translation
Hmm, perhaps you're right. I'd prefer 1200 shaders at 700Mhz than 800 shaders at 850MHz, as the former would churn out much more horsepower!

But perhaps it takes a 5850 board since it has a 256-bit design (traces, pins, etc..)? A 5850 board is not too terribly long, and it could be just a bit modified, like with what Nvidia did for their GTX 275.

Is this 5830 supposed to be released real soon (a week or a month)?
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#2
mastrdrver
by: Bo_Fox
Hmm, perhaps you're right. I'd prefer 1200 shaders at 700Mhz than 800 shaders at 850MHz, as the former would churn out much more horsepower!

But perhaps it takes a 5850 board since it has a 256-bit design (traces, pins, etc..)? A 5850 board is not too terribly long, and it could be just a bit modified, like with what Nvidia did for their GTX 275.

Is this 5830 supposed to be released real soon (a week or a month)?
About 2 weeks according to that link (25th). If they could use the 5770 board I would think they would since it would be cheaper for AIB partners than the larger 5850.

I'm thinking 5770 core and memory speeds, so it doesn't end up slower, plus a 256 bit bus.
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#3
theorw
I think the 58xx series card should have the HIGH END PCB design,fully digital etc...The 5770 PCB is clearly cheaper design for reducing cost mainly and because its enough for 128bit.
For 256 the complexity is much bigger so the PCB should stay HIGH END like the other 58xx cards so using the 5850 PCB would look the most logical decision for amd!
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#4
Bo_Fox
^^ +1

by: mastrdrver
About 2 weeks according to that link (25th). If they could use the 5770 board I would think they would since it would be cheaper for AIB partners than the larger 5850.

I'm thinking 5770 core and memory speeds, so it doesn't end up slower, plus a 256 bit bus.
The 5850 board is still shorter than the reference 4870/4890 boards, so I dont think the 5850 board is bad at all! :toast:

A few possible specs:

800 shaders, 850 MHz clock, 3.9 GHz GDDR5 (256-bit)

800 shaders, 900 MHz clock, 3.9 GHz GDDR5 (256-bit)

1200 shaders, 700 MHz clock, 3.9 GHz GDDR5 (256-bit)

1280 shaders, 700 MHz clock, 3.9 GHz GDDR5 (256-bit)

The higher, the better! :D
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#6
TheMailMan78
Big Member
by: [I.R.A]_FBi
good replacement for my 4830 ... was saving for a 5850
Get the 5850 man. Go that extra mile!
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#7
werez
if it`s only 10-15EUR cheaper than 5850 i'm not interested . Hope i`m wrong :)
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#8
Flyordie
I heard the HD5770 was going to get a refresh... Instead of 128bit GDDR5 they would re-arrange the VRAM and do 192bit GDDR5. Then completely drop the HD4890 and the HD5770 would replace the HD4890 entirely. This is just rumor on the specs, but the refresh was planned.
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#9
DirectorC
by: werez
if it`s only 10-15EUR cheaper than 5850 i'm not interested . Hope i`m wrong :)
Well in terms of USD, a 5850 starts at 300 if you're lucky, though it's 320-350 realistically for some/most cards. It looks like the 5830 is poised to come out in the 250 price range. I know that it translates to less of a difference in Euros, but it's gonna be way more than 10-15 for sure.
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#10
TheMailMan78
Big Member
by: DirectorC
Well in terms of USD, a 5850 starts at 300 if you're lucky, though it's 320-350 realistically for some/most cards. It looks like the 5830 is poised to come out in the 250 price range. I know that it translates to less of a difference in Euros, but it's gonna be way more than 10-15 for sure.
Dell had a Visiontek 5850 for 279 this week.
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#11
Kantastic
^They tax almost everywhere so you're looking at $300 or so.
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#12
a_ump
u kno what's amazingly retarded thou. is that every single HD 4XXX series card is being replaced by a HD 5XXX series card of similar performance but the HD 5XXX series costs more when technically it should be cheaper.

HD 5750$129 = HD 4850$99
HD 5770$164 < HD 4870$169

The HD 5770 has a smaller chip, with a 128-bit bus which is cheaper than the HD 4870's 256-bit bus, and the HD 4870 slightly outperforms it...so the HD 5770 should be cheaper but its not which is homo. The same with the HD 5750, 128-bit bus vs a 256-bit bus, smaller die vs a bigger die. And the HD 4850 is $30 cheaper...just ridiculous.

And now this HD 5830 is suspected to be at HD 4890 performance for $250 or so?? yet the HD 4890 is only $200.....boo for ati's pricing..but i get the whole need to make money and make up for the past years i suppose.
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#13
DirectorC
Yeah, ATI & AMD get to be the ones raking in the cash for once. I don't see a problem with that. Their GPUs are definitely deserving of it.
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#14
erocker
by: a_ump
u kno what's amazingly retarded thou. is that every single HD 4XXX series card is being replaced by a HD 5XXX series card of similar performance but the HD 5XXX series costs more when technically it should be cheaper.

HD 5750$129 = HD 4850$99
HD 5770$164 < HD 4870$169

The HD 5770 has a smaller chip, with a 128-bit bus which is cheaper than the HD 4870's 256-bit bus, and the HD 4870 slightly outperforms it...so the HD 5770 should be cheaper but its not which is homo. The same with the HD 5750, 128-bit bus vs a 256-bit bus, smaller die vs a bigger die. And the HD 4850 is $30 cheaper...just ridiculous.

And now this HD 5830 is suspected to be at HD 4890 performance for $250 or so?? yet the HD 4890 is only $200.....boo for ati's pricing..but i get the whole need to make money and make up for the past years i suppose.
Newer tech costs more! OMG. Nothing new at all bud. Add to that that this newer tech currently has no competition, even more is charged to the consumer. I do agree, it is not the best situation for a consumer to be in.
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#15
jmcslob
by: erocker
Newer tech costs more! OMG. Nothing new at all bud. Add to that that this newer tech currently has no competition, even more is charged to the consumer. I do agree, it is not the best situation for a consumer to be in.
Which is exactly why this NON Nvidia Fan can't wait for Fermi to hit the markets and hopefully with some bang :D
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#16
a_ump
by: erocker
Newer tech costs more! OMG. Nothing new at all bud. Add to that that this newer tech currently has no competition, even more is charged to the consumer. I do agree, it is not the best situation for a consumer to be in.
newer eh? lol i suppose since its dx11 certified HD 5XXX is newer, but the HD 5770 chip just looks smaller than the HD 4870's imo, course idk the technicalities. N NO SHITS!!! fermi needs to hurry up n bounce up in the market on top of ATI's prices n get dem down to da floar!! :)
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#17
[I.R.A]_FBi
by: TheMailMan78
Get the 5850 man. Go that extra mile!
wait for fermi pricedrops then?
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#18
Mussels
Moderprator
by: [I.R.A]_FBi
wait for fermi pricedrops then?
when fermi drops, does it become limpi?
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#19
MKmods
Case Mod Guru
this will be cool for <$200, that should lower the 5770s to around $140ish and the 5850s to around $250ish(where they should be).
(so AMD hurry and get rid of all the 4870/90s)
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#20
[I.R.A]_FBi
by: Mussels
when fermi drops, does it become limpi?
i lol'd
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#21
werez
by: [I.R.A]_FBi
wait for fermi pricedrops then?
by the time fermi comes around and i can actually put my hands on the card directX 12 will be out . :))
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#22
[I.R.A]_FBi
by: werez
by the time fermi comes around and i can actually put my hands on the card directX 12 will be out . :))
maybe dx13 that my friend aldon always talks about
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#24
mastrdrver
Off topic: Chinese forums are weird :wtf:

OT: PCOline

They say MSRP will be 239 USD.
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#25
Aleksa
5830 unoffical specs

unofficial specs 5830 ;)

5830 is binned 5850,
same PCB, cooling, connectivity, DDR5, BUS 256 bit,
GPU core 625 Mhz,
Memory 800 Mhz DDR5,
1280 shaders. :toast:
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