Monday, August 9th 2010

GF100 512 Core Graphics Card Tested Against GeForce GTX 480

NVIDIA seems to have overcome initial hiccups with the GF100 graphics processor, and could release a new graphics card that makes use of all 512 CUDA cores, and 64 TMUs on the GPU. The GeForce GTX 480 was initially released as a top SKU based on the GF100, with 480 out of the 512 CUDA cores enabled. What NVIDIA calls the new SKU is subject to some speculation. While GPU-Z screenshots show that the 512 core model has the same device ID (hence the same name, GeForce GTX 480), leading us to believe that this is a specifications update for the same SKU à la GeForce GTX 260 (216 SP), it seems possible that the release-grade models could carry a different device ID and name.

Expreview carried out a couple of tests on the 512 core "GTX 480" graphics card, and compared it to the 480 core model that's out in the market. NVIDIA GeForce 258.96 drivers were used. The 512 core card got a GPU Score of 10,072 points compared to 9,521 points of the 480 core card, in 3DMark Vantage Extreme preset. The additional TMUs showed an evident impact on the texture fillrate, 41.55 GTexel/s for the 512 core card against 38.82 GTexel/s for the 480 core card.
In the second test, Crysis Warhead, with Enthusiast preset, 1920 x 1080 px, and 8x AA, the 512 core card churned out a framerate of 34.72 fps, while the 480 core card trailed at 32.96 fps. In this short bench, the 512 core laden GF100 card is 5~6% faster than the GeForce GTX 480. If NVIDIA manages to release the SKU at the same price-point as the GTX 480 as it did with the GTX 260-216, it will increase NVIDIA's competitiveness further against AMD's ATI Radeon HD 5970, which is still the fastest graphics SKU in the market. Below are screenshot comparing scores of both cards.
Source: Expreview
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90 Comments on GF100 512 Core Graphics Card Tested Against GeForce GTX 480

#26
LAN_deRf_HA
vagxtrWould that be GTX465x2 :roll: Or how to put two already 250W+ wasting chips onto same card, even if pcb's sandwiched together it should be at least triple slot edition with 450W TDP. So i think Asus is selling c-r-a-p yet again and collecting some freebie advertising as their fans bragging about that never to be released card all around the net :wtf:
Yes cause surely they haven't done something like that before, and have many raging fans :rolleyes:
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#27
KainXS
I'm waiting for a die shot before I believe anything, why would Nvidia release the 512sp version when we know that the tweaked architecture on the GF104 is better than the 100's.

that or they got a rare 512sp sample.

but expreview did have a wei hang GTX480 and said it was 512sp when the one wei hang had has actually 480sp, not trusting them.
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#28
crazyeyesreaper
Not a Moderator
same not gonna trust this yet and oooo 2fps gain in crysis so impressed with a peak TDP at 320w on a 480gtx im willing to guess the 512sp will hit 340w -350w tdp on a single gpu card reaching nearly 4870x2 power consumption lol fail / sarcasm
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#29
HillBeast
crazyeyesreapersame not gonna trust this yet and oooo 2fps gain in crysis so impressed with a peak TDP at 320w on a 480gtx im willing to guess the 512sp will hit 340w -350w tdp on a single gpu card reaching nearly 4870x2 power consumption lol fail / sarcasm
They really are doing this just to have the undisputed champion of performance. And heat. And power. And noise. And unreliability due to the above.
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#30
crazyeyesreaper
Not a Moderator
well more power to them but from what reviews i can find around the net crysis is the wrong game to hype performance gains with as at 8xAA the 5870 is faster then even this 512sp part let alone the 5970 etc lol should have used a different game to give more hype lmao and if not ahead there still equal so yea moot point a whopping 2fps that u can get from overclocking the cpu alone let alone the gpu :roll: and overclocking this thing id bet we would see people hit 400w draw peak
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#31
$ReaPeR$
everything depends on the price....
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#32
HillBeast
crazyeyesreapercrysis is the wrong game to hype performance gains with as at 8xAA
Crysis isn't actually a hardcore epic looking game like people think, it's just badly written. It runs just as bad on my HD5870 as it did on my GTX285 as it did on my 9800GX2 as it did on my 8800 Ultra. Fail. To be honest it seems to get slower every time I play it.
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#33
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
Already running 2x 470's, so i really don't care for what they have lined up next within with Fermi architecture. I can deal with the other cards having a bit more stream processors etc.
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#34
LAN_deRf_HA
HillBeastCrysis isn't actually a hardcore epic looking game like people think, it's just badly written. It runs just as bad on my HD5870 as it did on my GTX285 as it did on my 9800GX2 as it did on my 8800 Ultra. Fail. To be honest it seems to get slower every time I play it.
I thought everyone got over that assumption already? Crysis isn't poorly coded, the engine does more than other game engines do. It's just not as apparent to the average person. If you pay any sort of attention to it you'll see a huge gulf in quality between it and an unreal powered game. Even trying very hard to optimize in warhead they ultimately had to reduce quality to get a few extra frames. It's not a skill issue, it's just what you get from a no corners cut engine. Even with all the time they'll have put into crysis 2 it will only be mildly more efficient.
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#35
dalekdukesboy
I already have this card...2 of them...512 graphics cards:)
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#36
dalekdukesboy
oh...I'm sorry I have 8800gts 512...not gtx480 512 guess that's not quite the same is it? LOL least I don't have to apply for a new power grid around my house to run these cards...though I admit this is an interesting idea, but gf100 needs to die, it was an experiment and gf104 was the winning result. I agree till they do a die shrink or modify the gf100 architecture it's just way too hot, and way too inefficient as well as expensive for me to recommend it to someone.
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#37
Bjorn_Of_Iceland
dalekdukesboythough I admit this is an interesting idea, but gf100 needs to die, it was an experiment and gf104 was the winning result. I agree till they do a die shrink or modify the gf100 architecture it's just way too hot, and way too inefficient as well as expensive for me to recommend it to someone.
Multiple GPCs (gf100) vs Lesser GPC but more Shader Procs crammed per SM's (gf104)... The former was thought to have better tesselation performance that way.. so far, the only thing reacting well to it was Heaven Benchmark.. not a lot of tessellated games anyway.. I say they should stick to cramming SPs per SM for now..
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#38
EastCoasthandle
crazyeyesreapersame not gonna trust this yet and oooo 2fps gain in crysis so impressed with a peak TDP at 320w on a 480gtx im willing to guess the 512sp will hit 340w -350w tdp on a single gpu card reaching nearly 4870x2 power consumption lol fail / sarcasm
It looks to me they maybe trying to push a 512 core variant because they know AMD is releasing 6000 series. It was said a long time ago that the difference between 480c and 512c would be about 5% difference. So seeing that come true wasn't a shocker. As for the power consumption it would consume more then it's actual performance increase over the 480c. In a word it's simply underwhelming when you consider heat and power draw. I seriously doubt it will cost the same as the 480c but we will see.
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#39
HillBeast
LAN_deRf_HAI thought everyone got over that assumption already? Crysis isn't poorly coded, the engine does more than other game engines do. It's just not as apparent to the average person. If you pay any sort of attention to it you'll see a huge gulf in quality between it and an unreal powered game. Even trying very hard to optimize in warhead they ultimately had to reduce quality to get a few extra frames. It's not a skill issue, it's just what you get from a no corners cut engine. Even with all the time they'll have put into crysis 2 it will only be mildly more efficient.
I never mentioned Unreal. Unreal looks nice but I do admit CryEngine looks better but it's not the bets looking game engine IMHO. Unigine from what I've seen of demos looks better to be honest, and that's doing DX11 which is slower and it stilll goes faster than Crysis.

CryEngine may be doing alot but it's still not a great engine.
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#40
dalekdukesboy
Bjorn_Of_IcelandMultiple GPCs (gf100) vs Lesser GPC but more Shader Procs crammed per SM's (gf104)... The former was thought to have better tesselation performance that way.. so far, the only thing reacting well to it was Heaven Benchmark.. not a lot of tessellated games anyway.. I say they should stick to cramming SPs per SM for now..
and that takes a lot for someone to say when I see in his sig rig he has a gtx480 of all things!! lol Admittedly performance is great, just I have a budget and hot summers, and these two g92's in sli warm this room up considerably and they even as 2 are nowhere near what a reference gtx480 does for heat/power consumption! I'd be tempted to get the zotac amp version which at least is well cooled but you still have all that heat created which vents out the case into your room and the wall socket still would be on fire from it regardless of a good cooler lol.
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#41
EastCoasthandle
Hmm, CB says that a 480 offers 24 FPS in Crysis warhead at that resolution and AA. Even CB's 258.96 review didn't show any significant improvements for that game. In any case we will see if this 512c is true or not.
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#42
dalekdukesboy
you know what we/nvidia REALLY needs is to release the gf104 with ALL it's cores unlocked...I believe that is the gtx475 that is rumored right? That may be interesting to see what it can do.
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#43
OnBoard
Hmm, core revision is blurred, so will this be A4 or B1 ?)

Anyhow, looks like NVIDIA lineup will be GTX 460 (gf104), GTX 475 (gf104), GTX 485 (gf100 revA/B), GTX 49x (2xgf104 full).

GTX 465 is EOL, GTX 470 will be EOL as soon as they sell out and GTX 480 will be EOL and of year, but will most likely be around for a while for nice discounts, like GTX 280 was after GTX 285 release.

What I don't know is what to do with all the GF100 512 shader cards that don't cut it, as there won't be a SKU for them?
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#44
FreedomEclipse
~Technological Technocrat~
vagxtrDon't think this will be a real product. Rather some Limited Edition vaporware like ATi's XT800PE (if anyone remembers that today)
wasnt that supposed to be the X850XTPE?? ive not even heard of a XT800PE - but obviously the did exist as google has thrown up some references - mainly people having issues with games on their card. ummm I know the X850XTPE was like vapourware, but I still have one...I had the 2nd fastest overclocked X8x0 card on Guru3d back in the day the guy who beat me had a volt modded X800XT. ahh, such fond memories....
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#45
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
20 bucks says this will be called ''GTX 480 Core 512''.:)
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#46
a_ump
hmmm u know, at stock we know who wins. but for the people that'll be buying this, enthusiasts, who probly like to overclock, i can't see this GTX 480 512 out-clocking the 480core GTX. Ergo i think that when overclocking's taken into account they'll probly be even.
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#47
DarthCyclonis
theonedubI agree, GF104 for now and when a die shrink is possible we can revisit a new and improved GF100.
Absolutley. I would not want this with the current size of the GF100 die. A die shrink and a revision has done at lot and the GF104 is proof. However by that time they release a revised GTX480 the HD 6XXX series will most likely be out.
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#48
phanbuey
the54thvoidWhy?

Why oh why?

Nvidia already has the fastest single core GPU. (and hottest, loudest etc). Why would they use the GF100 for this? For 6-7% increase....

Unless it's a partner doing it and not NV?

Although if Southern Islands makes it out this year perhaps this is NV's attempt to dull down ATI's 5xxx series revision.

Two words - performance / watt. Thats all that counts. No point having a 6-7% faster card if it's technologically backwards in respect of power draw.
Everyone is making the assumption that this will be hotter and louder. Clearly this is a different stepping - and one that has less leakage and therefore less draw than the original GF100. Steppings can make a huge difference in power draw especially when manufacturing defects are the primary cause of this draw.

If anything the power draw may even stay the same or be lower than the 480 core version of the fermi.
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#49
Whitey
Do you think the cooler will have heatpipes coming out the side still ?

Or something like the Galaxy vapour chamber cooling ?
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#50
Benetanegia
OnBoardWhat I don't know is what to do with all the GF100 512 shader cards that don't cut it, as there won't be a SKU for them?
Quadro and Tesla cards which are both based on 448 SPs afaik. They are actually selling quite a few of them.
EastCoasthandleAs for the power consumption it would consume more then it's actual performance increase over the 480c.
According to empiric data on the net about how Fermi behaves, it is quite the opposite. Power draw vastly depends on the clock and very little in enabled/disabled parts.

For example, the GTX465 consumes almost as much as the GTX470 (~20w difference, which is a 10%) despite having 25% of the core disabled, but the GTX470 on the other hand consumes almost 100w less (50% difference) than GTX480 although it only has 7% of shader cores and 20% ROPs disabled. That discrepancy comes from clock difference and anyone who has ever OCed a GTX470 knows that. Conclusion: the power draw difference on the 512 part would be negligible.
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