Wednesday, May 4th 2011

AMD FX Series and A Series First Performance Projections Surface

Here are the first performance projections of the AMD FX-series processors. FX-series is the market name of the latest line of 8-core, 6-core, and 4-core processors by AMD, based on its new Bulldozer architecture. The performance projections come from AMD's internal presentations to its industry partners, which was leaked to sections of the media.

In the performance projection, a compound bar graph, an AMD platform comprising of an 8-core FX series processor (unknown model, clock speed) with AMD Radeon HD 6670 discrete graphics, was pitted against its main competitor, Intel Core i7-2600K with its integrated Intel HD graphics. Perhaps AMD is suggesting that FX 8-core model used here along with a HD 6690 graphics card costs the same as a Core i7-2600K.
The tests used were synthetic, Futuremark PCMark Vantage and 3DMark Vantage P (performance preset). In PCMark Vantage, the AMD FX processor is shown to have performed the same as the Core i7-2600K. In 3DMark Vantage, the AMD platform with its HD 6670 graphics card outperformed close to 4 times over the Intel platform.

Interestingly, the AMD FX + HD 6670 platform appears to be just about 20% faster than a platform consisting of Phenom II X6 1100T and Radeon HD 6670, in both the tests. The other platforms in the graph include AMD's Llano A-Series APUs. They're slower than Intel's Core i3-2100 in PCMark Vantage, but faster in 3DMark Vantage.

Overall, it appears that with AMD's new processor lineup, AMD will continue to rely on performance per Dollar, rather than pure processing performance, to be competitive with Intel. No doubt the performance and energy efficiency seems to have gone up, but Intel's Sandy Bridge architecture is faster at whatever today's processors are meant for (x86 processing).
Source: DonanimHaber
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133 Comments on AMD FX Series and A Series First Performance Projections Surface

#26
heky
Ok, but if it is such a excellent HYPER TRANSPORT technology, why the low performance numbers and why does AMD call it a 8 core proc? Intel doesnt call the 2600K a 8 core.

Real cores for real men my ass then!
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#27
rem82
hekyOk, but if it is such a excellent HYPER TRANSPORT technology, why the low performance numbers and why does AMD call it a 8 core proc? Intel doesnt call the 2600K a 8 core.

Real cores for real men my ass then!
1) Βecause the extra logical core (HT) has CACHE !!!!
2) Because has two integer scheduler !!

This chip will be very good in performance/per watt !!!
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#28
Fourstaff
hekywhy does AMD call it a 8 core proc?
Marketing hype? I think AMD have said that they are going to market them as modules rather than cores.
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#29
heky
rem82This chip will be very good in performance/per watt !!!
We will see about that. But it better deliver, its about time.
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#30
rem82
hekyOk, but if it is such a excellent HYPER TRANSPORT technology, why the low performance numbers!
Νow you have six cores in 1100t. When you run a single thread application one core run and the others sleeping.

With bulldozer architecture 2 X 128 FMAC are linked in 1x256bit fmac in this application !! Double performance with the same number of transistors (double performance per watt) !!!! All this in clock to clock comparison but bulldozer is 32nm architecture with higher clock at the same TDP ! Pc mark cannot show you the difference !!!

When you run multi thread applications FPU can be 4x64bit for better performance !!
That is elastic architecture !!!!!

Bulldozer has not IGP inside and must be more overclock-able than sandy. I think for the same reason this chip will have better default clocks than sandy in the same TPD ......... We learn in a month.

You must wait for applications benches and real benches!!!! That is a projection :)
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#31
heky
Nice, thanks for the info. Now it will be even harder to wait and see the real world comparison against the 2600K.
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#32
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
MrMilliLet's not forget that AMD's '8-core' cpu consists of 4 modules with shared resources. It's nothing more than a very advanced quad core cpu (with double the ALU's). So don't start saying that it has twice the core count of SB and not twice the performance.
Both are a quad core cpu's with a different approach to multithreading.
A module is not a core, and AMD doesn't call a 4-module chip a quad-core. They're for all intents and purposes marketed as eight-core. So yes, it takes 8 core AMD chips to compete with 4 core Sandy Bridge. CFC.
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#33
rem82
hekyNice, thanks for the info. Now it will be even harder to wait and see the real world comparison against the 2600K.
For me , Ι5 2600Κ and four module bulldozer will have the same performance , but AMD will deliver us better platform !!

AM3+ platform will have many lanes for CROSSFIRE & SLI !!!!(both x16 pci-e), true native SATA III for all sata and will be more future proof ! That is the deference between 1155 & AM3+ .

For people how want IGP, there is 980G chip in AM3+ with HD4250 or better IGP with sideport technology.
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#34
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
rem82Yes , 8-core Bulldozer is a true 4-core chip with excellent HYPER TRANSPORT technology !!! Not true 8-core !!
Not according to AMD. It is an 8 core chip.
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#35
Melvis
btarunr. So yes, it takes 8 core AMD chips to compete with 4 core Sandy Bridge. CFC.
Which has HT that gives about 25% extra performance for each thread, so its more like a 6core.
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#36
rem82
btarunrA module is not a core, and AMD doesn't call a 4-module chip a quad-core. They're for all intents and purposes marketed as eight-core. So yes, it takes 8 core AMD chips to compete with 4 core Sandy Bridge. CFC.
A module = two cores ???? No .....

There is no distinguishable deference between logical and physical cores in this season.

Υου don`t remain in words. AMD speak for 8-cores and Intel for Hyper transport+ 4-cores ... So what ??
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#37
btarunr
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MelvisWhich has HT that gives about 25% extra performance for each thread, so its more like a 6core.
No, it does not. Intel does not call them 6-core chips.
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#38
Melvis
btarunrNo, it does not. Intel does not call them 6-core chips.
Did i say it was a 6 core chip??? NO, i said it acts more like a 6 core since it has four HT cores does it not?
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#39
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
rem82A module = two cores ???? No .....

There is no distinguishable deference between logical and physical cores in this season.
No, a module = [something the end user shouldn't care about].

The end user is shown core count, not thread count. The core count is 8.
Melvisi said it acts more like a 6 core since it has four HT cores does it not?
It acts like a 4-core chip with 8 threads. There's no way to show that it acts like a 6-core chip, since there is no 6-core Sandy Bridge chip.
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#40
Jonap_1st
it's better if they honestly said it was 4 core with unbelieveable compute power rather than just said it has "native" 8 cores..

:rolleyes:
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#41
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator


8 core. No threads, no modules.
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#42
Melvis
btarunrIt acts like a 4-core chip with 8 threads. There's no way to show that it acts like a 6-core chip, since there is no 6-core Sandy Bridge chip.
Yea there is because it does NOT give a 100% increase in performance for each extra thread, there for as stated by intel it will give you around 25% increase. So add that on top of the original 4cores you would get something like real 6 core performance.
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#43
rem82
btarunrNo, a module = [something the end user shouldn't care about].

The end user is shown core count, not thread count. The core count is 8.
Bulldozer module has:

one FETCH
one DECODE
one FPU
two Integer scheduler
one L2 Cache for module.
one L1 instruction cache


Same number of transistors with sandy 2600K

If a module has 2-core , it must have

two FETCH
two DECODE
two FPU
two Integer scheduler
two L2 Cache for module.
two L1 instruction cache

AMD speak for 8-core because the logical core inmodule has & hardware structure = integer
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#45
Nesters
Well, it's 8-core processor but you can hardly call them REAL cores.
8 integer units doesn't mean they're real cores because the resources are shared between two of those.
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#46
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
rem82Bulldozer module has:

one FETCH
one DECODE
one FPU
two Integer scheduler
one L2 Cache for module.
one L1 instruction cache


Same number of transistors with sandy 2600K

If a module has 2-core , it must have

two FETCH
two DECODE
two FPU
two Integer scheduler
two L2 Cache for module.
two L1 instruction cache

AMD speak for 8-core because the logical core inmodule has & hardware structure = L2 CACHE
That argument doesn't fly. AMD doesn't refer to a module as a core, it maintains that "each module is a set of two cores", and its four module chips are marketed as 8 core. Not "4 module" or "4 core/8 thread".
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#47
naoan
Jonap_1stit's better if they honestly said it was 4 core with unbelieveable compute power rather than just said it has "native" 8 cores..

:rolleyes:
nah, it would be easier to market higher core counts than "unbelievable compute power" to mass market.
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#48
rem82
btarunrThat argument doesn't fly. AMD doesn't refer to a module as a core, it maintains that "each module is a set of two cores", and its four module chips are marketed as 8 core. Not "4 module" or "4 core/8 thread".
I cant tell you why amd refer this chip as 8-core but if you see the architecture, you can understand me !:)

Marketing trick ? No.
8-cores? No !
Something like 1,3 core per module (two integer)? Yes!
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#49
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
ivicagmcWith even lower budget they manage to beat Intel before. Remember???
Intel was kinda stagnated then so no suprise here. They're at a whole other level now.
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#50
Fourstaff
At the end of the day, we need benchmarks. Also, the characteristic of the cores. I have no doubt that in heavily multithreaded environments (like video converting etc.), AMD's 8core/4module/whatever will be better than the 1155's 4c8t processors, I have no doubt about that. However, if we judge by gaming performance (where load in CPU is relatively light), Intel's architecture resoundingly beats AMD's. We might just see a reversal of position here, where budget gamers go for Intel (well, its happening now), and AMD takes the crown in multithreaded environment, at least until LGA2011.
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