cadavecaAMD won't fade into obscurity...they are already one of the most obscure technology makers already!!! Just because you know who they are, doesn't mean NOTHING!

I am not sure I agree with you on this point . AMD has ATI and well ATI is a HUGE GPU chip maker . The word is getting out because of this one small fact . I love ATI and AMD has made ATI stronger . I hope this price dropping is not indicating how they are going to perform against Intel . If so I see another FAIL from AMD ( Not a big FAIL just another one . ) . AMD need to really step up and take the lead soon . Why ? Because Intel is still charging way too much for there CPU's ! If AMD can take the lead it will force Intel to make price changes for there stuff .

low price hmm... one way its good I might grab one but me thinking its not going to hold the original 'FX' pride.

The FX-8120 is basically the same price the 1055t was at release but has 2 more cores, faster "clock-for-clock" speeds and 300Mhz more at stock. Excellent.

If a 6 core FX-6120 can match a i5 2500k then i might get one of those. Obviously Prices wont be the same in UK Sterling but hopefully its still close.

A i5 2500k in the UK is about £160 so its feasible.

Kinda sick of Bulldozer news but hats off to AMD for keeping the performance a secret for so long.

tricksonAMD has ATI and well ATI is a HUGE GPU chip maker .

ATI no longer exists. Resistance is futile. You now love AMD.

<3

MilkyWayIf a 6 core FX-6120 can match a i5 2500k then i might get one of those. Obviously Prices wont be the same in UK Sterling but hopefully its still close.

A i5 2500k in the UK is about £160 so its feasible.

Kinda sick of Bulldozer news but hats off to AMD for keeping the performance a secret for so long.

I bought my 1055t for £165ish last august and it was around $200 in the US then. So hopefully the FX-8120 will be at a similar price in the UK

63jaxi just hope the price doesn't reflect the performance, at least in this case...:confused:

Nobody should (or should have) been expecting something light years beyond SB, if it is a little better and cheaper than SB, that is doing good.

Yellow&amp;Nerdy?The harsh reality is, that the price is definitely in direct correlation with the performance. I really doubt that AMD would voluntarily price the top CPU 70$ under the 2600K, unless the performance is corresponding to that price. Although I hope they will be able to offer a good alternative to the 2500K, which is currently the gamer's favorite. If Bulldozer ends up being slow, it's bad for everyone: Bulldozer has bad performance, which means that Intel won't be lowering their prices. It's a lose-lose situation really. I really hope AMD can prove me wrong, but I doubt it.

I don't agree with you at all. I would fully expect the BD to be ~ equal to a 2600k, and probably priced cheaper because 2600k will have a price drop, and in order to sell as many as possible before the SB-e release.

People have decided BD is a fail already, and that is just plain silly.

tricksonI am not sure I agree with you on this point . AMD has ATI and well ATI is a HUGE GPU chip maker . The word is getting out because of this one small fact . I love ATI and AMD has made ATI stronger . I hope this price dropping is not indicating how they are going to perform against Intel . If so I see another FAIL from AMD ( Not a big FAIL just another one . ) . AMD need to really step up and take the lead soon . Why ? Because Intel is still charging way too much for there CPU's ! If AMD can take the lead it will force Intel to make price changes for there stuff .

Ati is no more. It's only AMD, and it's true that they are big in graphic cards. Maybe not the AMD name is known there but Radeon certinaly is.

And Intel is charging way to much? Just no. The cost is justified imo for the performance you get.

cadavecaI think the fact that most ignore is that although AMD is a business, they do not really have the capability to increase their market share right now, as they are pretty constrained by the number of chips they can produce, which, right now, completely sell out.

The best AMD can hope for is maximizing profits, not being the top performer. If they were the top performer, everyone would want their chips, and plain and simple, they cannot produce enough to meet a larger demand. BD needs to be attractive...but not TOO attractive.


I really do not understand why everyone feels that BD must be the top performer, or it's a failure...I really doubt AMD was even remotely concerned with beating Intel in the performance market.

Mind you here we sit with people spouting release dates still, when even JF-AMD has said that if it's not on the AMD website, it's NOT OFFICIAL!!!

I think they expected to equal or beat mainstream competition, and that is all the more that is reasonable to expect.

RejZoRAnd AthlonXP (Palomino/Thoroughbred/Barton) and before that Athlon K7 (Thunderbird) wrecking Pentium 3 and 4...

Thunderbird almost put Intel under. I had one, I also had a 2800+Barton core. Intel really had nothing in competition against either of those. People seem to forget that Intel/AMD and Nvidia/ATI have always swapped back and forth on who is better.

jpierce55I think they expected to equal or beat mainstream competition, and that is all the more that is reasonable to expect.

It wasn't designed to compete in mainstream. It was designed for server. This is their goal. That is where amd needs to be judged. Did they succeed at its intended application? we dont know because we dont have those figures on performance.

jpierce55Thunderbird almost put Intel under. I had one, I also had a 2800+Barton core. Intel really had nothing in competition against either of those. People seem to forget that Intel/AMD and Nvidia/ATI have always swapped back and forth on who is better.

With Intel/AMD it has not been so for 4 years now.

stupido

Originally Posted by ivicagmc
Just hope that it matches performance of intel 2600K (8core) and 2500K (6core)...

Correction:
2600K = 4 cores = 8 threads (HT = on)
2500K = 4 cores = 4 threads (HT = NA)

I think he was referring to the 8 core AMD being comparable to the 2600k and the 6 core AMD being comparable to the 2500k. So he was correct.

all this back and forth about who has the fastest cpu.

to me it doesnt matter, i got a phenom II and it runs all my games flawlessly, if bulldozer is a big upgrade in performance, thats great for AMD, it doesnt need to beat any intel CPU, cause mainstream market doesnt need that performance, and neither do gamers.

If its about Epeen and just having the fastest, then by all means get that intel 8 core, for everyone who doesnt want to spend a dime more than needed, bulldozer is for you, blazing fast running everything smoothly for a good price.

Can't wait to find out the performance. TPU should be getting some to test soon!!! :eek:

Oh never mind. I guess the prices tells the performance. No point doing any benchmarks. :confused:

jpierce55I don't agree with you at all. I would fully expect the BD to be ~ equal to a 2600k, and probably priced cheaper because 2600k will have a price drop, and in order to sell as many as possible before the SB-e release.

People have decided BD is a fail already, and that is just plain silly.

The 2600k is an impressive chip. Surprised intel selling it so low (for intel) considering its performance. The 26ook matches/surpasses intels top gun 6 core monster at nearly everything. Do you really believe amd created something of that magnitude and is giving it away at those prices? Bd will b a good cpu in its intended category/ target market which how ever is not highend.

How sad for AMD . It was hyped up and still seems ( by the price point at least ) that it missed the mark every one was expecting . How sad . At any rate time will tell just what all this means . We may have to wait till piledriver is out to see any taking of the crown .

ROFL, you people are brutal.

tricksonHow sad for AMD . It was hyped up and still seems ( by the price point at least ) that it missed the mark every one was expecting . How sad . At any rate time will tell just what all this means . We may have to wait till piledriver is out to see any taking of the crown .

True, if you consider Donanimhaber anywhere near a credible news source.

tricksonHow sad for AMD . It was hyped up and still seems ( by the price point at least ) that it missed the mark every one was expecting . How sad . At any rate time will tell just what all this means . We may have to wait till piledriver is out to see any taking of the crown .

Give it up. You don't know a thing about performance any more than anyone else does at this point. AMD hasn't said what their market strategy is in relation to their pricing. When actual performance numbers are out, then you can pity poor AMD. :rolleyes:

Could one of you people who is saying that BD is a failure please show me one benchmark that backs up your claim? Anyone?

HossHugeCould one of you people who is saying that BD is a failure please show me one benchmark that backs up your claim? Anyone?

They can easily go back to Donanimhaber and find some of OBR's benchmarks.

Just sayin'.

erockerGive it up. You don't know a thing about performance any more than anyone else does at this point. AMD hasn't said what their market strategy is in relation to their pricing. When actual performance numbers are out, then you can pity poor AMD. :rolleyes:

But from what we gather price is a indicator of performance . So I think in this case you maybe wrong . I hope I am wrong . I want AMD to bitch slap Intel into next year , But I can only gather from what is being put out ( Yes less than credible information and sketchy at best ) that BD is going to be a good CPU just not what every one was expecting and what all the hype has lead us to think for the last 4 years . This is just my opinion nothing more . please do not take it as an attack or personally . Thank You .

I don't take it personally, getting emotional over this kind of stuff is a waste of life. I just found your post to be a bit speculative. Besides, if the chip is awful, I feel sorry for those stuck with an older platform. AMD will still sell chips, but those wanting to upgrade won't have much of a choice and Intel won't be lowering their prices.